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arcturus rising wrote:
Of all our infirmities, the most savage is to despise our being.
The lion within himself despises the child within himself because he does not truly see that it is his own child within that can tame him and make him free. The cub has a sense of freedom, playfulness, wonder, acceptance and trust.
Jakob Hmmm.... what does De Montaigne have on Nietzsche?
The camel is the tower of stone that rises above the desert of nihilism and casts a shadow of doom, where it hides the presence of the sun, which in its naked power is too strong a meaning to be absorbed by the sensitive earthly surface, and strikes it dead, except where it creates a void, behind the tower, where demons dwell in negative meaning...
But "sulky" is not the word I would choose to describe the desire of a man who felt himself to be dynamite. Waltzing and socializing, as nice as they may be from time to time, are not mans greatest joys.
Jakob:
Of all our infirmities, the most savage is to despise our being.
The lion within himself despises the child within himself because he does not truly see that it is his own child within that can tame him and make him free. The cub has a sense of freedom, playfulness, wonder, acceptance and trust.
Lovely, but this doesnt really make any sense in this context. Firstly, the lion is supposed to represent self respect. Maybe there should be some freedom to bend meaning, but to turn it around 180 degrees?
We can, if we are feeling free and poetic, say anything, of course. The Lion is a butterfly who liberates himself from his cocoon and his ivory tower as his inner knight in shining armor comes to rescue his virgin beauty of soul and together they ride into the sunset which represents the going down of the lion.
The child is a stone thrown across the surface of the lake, bouncing, gliding, ignoring his own weight by the virtue of his lack of heaviness, as with every contact with the surface only the perfection of his own surface is reflected.
The camel is the tower of stone that rises above the desert of nihilism and casts a shadow of doom, where it hides the presence of the sun, which in its naked power is too strong a meaning to be absorbed by the sensitive earthly surface, and strikes it dead, except where it creates a void, behind the tower, where demons dwell in negative meaning...
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Dancing/socialising - definetely peak experiences in the whole 'being human' trip.
I do very much second your view of not necessarily reading Nietzsche as Nietzsche commands - surely N- Dawg in some ways or some works does seem to call for a sort of philosophical appropriation of his or any philosophers work to make it fit for life - to enhance life - would that not be a sort of will to power - those truths you are fit for or what ever.
Any how it's good to see independent Nietzsche influenced thinking!
Does a man of dynamite lock himself into a room or explode into the real inter subjective world -overflowing in high spirits -ethically super abundant - generous of himself because he has so much extra but not rule bound by penny pinching rules of utilitarians or deontologists.
An ethics of excess?
I'm raving! (as ever)
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arcturus rising wrote:Lovely, but this doesnt really make any sense in this context. Firstly, the lion is supposed to represent self respect. Maybe there should be some freedom to bend meaning, but to turn it around 180 degrees?
Within what context - my interpretation of de Montaigne's quote? It makes sense to me.
"Supposed to"? If the lion represents "self-respect" why then does he have an issue with the child within himself? Wouldn't self-respect include seeing and accepting and merging all aspects of who we are within?
We can, if we are feeling free and poetic, say anything, of course. The Lion is a butterfly who liberates himself from his cocoon and his ivory tower as his inner knight in shining armor comes to rescue his virgin beauty of soul and together they ride into the sunset which represents the going down of the lion.
Our personal experiences do muddy the vision for us, don't they?
The child is a stone thrown across the surface of the lake, bouncing, gliding, ignoring his own weight by the virtue of his lack of heaviness, as with every contact with the surface only the perfection of his own surface is reflected.
Now that is something that all lions must strive for.Perfect freedom of self.
The camel is the tower of stone that rises above the desert of nihilism and casts a shadow of doom, where it hides the presence of the sun, which in its naked power is too strong a meaning to be absorbed by the sensitive earthly surface, and strikes it dead, except where it creates a void, behind the tower, where demons dwell in negative meaning...
If the child rode upon the camel's back, that desert experience would be different.
what's your raison de etre?
raven wrote:If you do not break under love it is not true. -Christ.
Only_Humean wrote:raven wrote:If you do not break under love it is not true. -Christ.
Is that a quote from the Bible?
raven wrote:You think the Christ speaks only through the Bible? You ought to read the Bible.
Only_Humean wrote:raven wrote:You think the Christ speaks only through the Bible? You ought to read the Bible.
"Stop attributing made-up quotes to me"
- Christ
Jakob If you would slow down, you would be dancing.
jonquil wrote:jonquil absolutely a d o r e s the idea of taking life and philosophy v e r y seriously, to the exponential nth degree so that a life spent without worrying out heavily and gravely the distinctions between the lion, camel and child in Nietzsche's extremely weighty, extremely significant allegory would hardly be worth living. Most def, Nietzsche stands on a par with my favorite author for heavy, important symbology and absolute truth without irony or ambiguity: Nathaniel Hawthorne.
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