Uccisore wrote:But yeah, you know. If we want to talk about erecting a society that promotes a strong psychological/moral fiber according to cultural norms, I'm all about that. We'd probably disagree about what all those norms should be, but at least we have the idea in common.
I think that is basically where we need to start. A society needs values, needs a narrative. But we've talked about this sort of thing before and agreed that society needs values and discuss which values those ought be.
But 'psychopath' has this kinda punchy 'supervillian' sound to it, so if certain folks can use it to denigrate the business world, then certain folks will jump at the chance. Also, I disagree that it's not about the businessmen themselves. If you read this thread, that seems to be exactly what it's about- that psychopaths make it in the business world is taken as further evidence that the 'business world' is an evil edifice.
We do have negative associations with psychopathy, which is why "psychopathy" is no longer recognized in the mental health field. To a certain extent it is just a case of "same shit, different name" but the name had to change because of the overwhelmingly negative association with psychopaths. There is a clear case of framing going on here.
I'm sympathetic to that attitude, you know. But it seems like it's on it's head from the kind of thing I would expect to hear. What I would expect to hear is, "Isn't it great that somebody with a non-standard psychological makeup can find a niche and even thrive in our diverse society!" If we were talking about any number of other mental disorders or non-normative mental states or whatever, I think that's exactly what would be said.
With other types of mental disorders, I'd agree to an extent but I think personality disorders are pretty much always viewed negatively even when the person is successful. For example, the acting community is heavily enriched for people with Histrionic Personality Disorder. That makes sense, someone who is constantly seeking attention would naturally gravitate towards performing in front of crowds. However, when people complain about Hollywood stars and the like, what they are complaining about are things that would be heavily enriched in people with HPD. The inappropriate attention seeking, the need for instant gratification, inappropriate seductive behavior and all that. We don't say, "Good for them!" we say "What the hell is their problem?!" Other times the success doesn't even make sense because of how society's values are configured. I bet someone with OCD would make an amazing cleaner. Those floors would be spotless! But is it a good idea to make someone with OCD a janitor?