Why “Creating” Your Own Meaning is A Moronic Concept

[Dglgmut]

We don't control what we think ought to be. This we may as well accredit to the Universe, as it is more fundamental than our capacity to reason.

Morality is self-serving, as each of us has our own concept of what should be. As long as we follow our own moral code, we are being selfish.

[phyllo]

I already posted the OP. If you didnt read that, then I have little intention of repeating myself.

If I had not read it, I would not have posted. Presumably when you start a thread, you want to talk about your views ... but in this case the OP is all there is?

[Duality]

We don't control what we think ought to be.

I'd say we might to an extent, where the actualization of thought is contextual to the finite universe. But again, this a free will vs. determinism debate.

Morality is self-serving, as each of us has our own concept of what should be. As long as we follow our own moral code, we are being selfish.

Well, I'd say the majority possess similar conceptions of the essences of beauty, love, truth, justice, etc. But those with greater actualized consciousnesses are able to perceive these things more clearly, within the contextual universe


True meaning shown as a manifestation of man’s nature as a combination of finite and infinite consciousness is observed through man’s degree of satisfaction with life. The materialist atheist viewpoint leads to physical distress within man due to his lack of connection with the aspects of his infinite consciousness.

For this same reason, blind dogma and arbitrary law cause distress within man, as being discordant from his finite existential aspect of consciousness. It is not that man can’t do something else, but that if he fails to actualize all aspects of his being to the proper extent, he is bound to suffer from discomfort or distress. This is why all truth must be sought through the faculty of experience.

[Duality]

I already posted the OP. If you didnt read that, then I have little intention of repeating myself.

If I had not read it, I would not have posted. Presumably when you start a thread, you want to talk about your views ... but in this case the OP is all there is?

I am not writing a book
This is not a step by step guide or compendium of laws
This is meant as a liberation for you to actualize your own reality
As I said, through experience we absorb what is useful to our own existence

[Dglgmut]

All we can do is discover new beliefs, but there must be a motivating belief already in place to push us to do so...

But those with greater actualized consciousnesses are able to perceive these things more clearly, within the contextual universe

This relates to my understanding that the more self-conscious someone is, the less information they actually reveal about themselves. If you are fully aware of otherness, you allow yourself to react in the way you were "designed" to.

[captaincrunk]

We don't control what we think ought to be. This we may as well accredit to the Universe, as it is more fundamental than our capacity to reason.

Morality is self-serving, as each of us has our own concept of what should be. As long as we follow our own moral code, we are being selfish.

Says your moral code.

We don't control what we think ought to be.

I'd say we might to an extent, where the actualization of thought is contextual to the finite universe. But again, this a free will vs. determinism debate.

Actually, I think the debate is appropriate. I disagree with determinism, but I also know we can't choose what to believe, only what evidence we look for.

[captaincrunk]

Those who say that one can create their own meaning to existence independent of these realities are in fact, and will remain, as nothing more than ineffectual eunuchs. Their philosophies lead to nothing more than impotent nothingness, and their lives are nothing but a squandered and macabre freak show. So they are seen, and so they will be seen unto the end of time.

Harsh bro.

All meanings are derived from interpretations of reality except in the case of mentally ill individuals.

I would say they are experiencing at least some amount of reality even through their illness. It might be warped and distorted, but so are our senses.

The whole point of this thread is that I am basically scrapping materialism, empiricism and blind dogma as impotent and ineffective limitations (at best, and destructive entities at worst) to the individual's experience of life.

If you don't have anything to replace it with you are only leaving us blind.

He's not?

You are suggesting that 'hearing voices' is a 'real world' experience? I would say that it is entirely fabricated in the brain and is merely a thought.

Is the brain not a part of the real world?

Yes, I am. It happens in time and space, it has a primary cause and it has supporting conditions. Are you suggesting there is a clear line differentiating the sane from the insane? "Sane" people function in precisely the same way.

The primary cause seems to originate in the brain and not real world events.

I don't think you can say, however, that events in the brain are not real world events. Furthermore, all experience is manufactures by our brains. Our eyes don't see, our brains do. Our ears don't hear, our brains do.

You might indeed say that the events manufactured by the brain in the case of insane people fail to correspond to events external to the brain. But that's a little bit different.

[volchok]

I actually created this thread out of pity for all the depressed materialist atheists I constantly see on here and across the internet. These guys just seem so desperate and fragile, that I would feel like a vile subhuman rodent if I didn’t at least put this out there for those that needed it.

Yes, yes, the theist has his all seeing father up there in sky taking care of him, intervening in his life, and making sure his personal plan is accomplished and yet the atheist is the desperate and fragile one.

Oh the irony.

plumbing the depths of the universe. All the purest essences of life must be absorbed and digested.

Wtf does this actually mean?
And regardless of what it does mean, didn't you just created your own meaning by saying that?

I am basically scrapping materialism, empiricism and blind dogma

Isn't the act of postualing that the true meaning is ONLY achievable by plumbing the depth of the universe , blind dogma?

[Duality]

All we can do is discover new beliefs, but there must be a motivating belief already in place to push us to do so...

But those with greater actualized consciousnesses are able to perceive these things more clearly, within the contextual universe

This relates to my understanding that the more self-conscious someone is, the less information they actually reveal about themselves. If you are fully aware of otherness, you allow yourself to react in the way you were "designed" to.

You worded this kind of weird but yeah, pretty much. And the motivation comes from the drive for practical enhancement of our lives.

We don't control what we think ought to be.

I'd say we might to an extent, where the actualization of thought is contextual to the finite universe. But again, this a free will vs. determinism debate.

Actually, I think the debate is appropriate. I disagree with determinism, but I also know we can't choose what to believe, only what evidence we look for.

I disagree with hard determinism also. I think we are bound by our genetic limitations and individual character flaws and weaknesses, but within that sphere of operation, we have room to actualize our own realities as we so desire.

If you don't have anything to replace it with you are only leaving us blind.

I did in the OP

I actually created this thread out of pity for all the depressed materialist atheists I constantly see on here and across the internet. These guys just seem so desperate and fragile, that I would feel like a vile subhuman rodent if I didn’t at least put this out there for those that needed it.

Yes, yes, the theist has his all seeing father up there in sky taking care of him, intervening in his life, and making sure his personal plan is accomplished and yet the atheist is the desperate and fragile one.

Oh the irony.?

Your dichotomy is typical of an unrefined materialist conception of reality. Man being both infinite consciousness and sentient being, his life is not defined by any external entity as the puppet on the proverbial cosmic string is in the materialist atheist.

plumbing the depths of the universe. All the purest essences of life must be absorbed and digested.

Wtf does this actually mean?
And regardless of what it does mean, didn't you just created your own meaning by saying that?

Not at all. The universe is an entity to be actively experienced through an actualized and developed consciousness. As the senses and perceptions gain superior development, so much more is able to be perceived and felt. That means get out there and honestly actualize your own reality. Start a fight, drink a wine, perform a play, lose a love, watch the gleaming sunset over the mountains and feel one with the pulsating universe. I created this thread for all those hard materialists that think they need permission to be able to live their own lives. When one sees oneself as an insignificant puppet on a cosmic string, all the juice, vigour and beauty is drained out of life. It really is an impotent freak show.

I am basically scrapping materialism, empiricism and blind dogma

Isn't the act of postualing that the true meaning is ONLY achievable by plumbing the depth of the universe , blind dogma?

No because I already premised that: "As the true method of knowledge is experiment the true faculty of knowing must be the faculty which experiences, This faculty I treat of." This is not smoke and mirrors. What I am offering is a true life. I already said I created this thread because its pathetic to see all these materialist atheists moping around all day about the pointlessness of life. They are really just perpetually engulfed in a shambles of misery and desperation. I have nothing but pity, but so it is when you follow a eunuch philosophy, so you will experience a eunuch existence.

[captaincrunk]

If you don't have anything to replace it with you are only leaving us blind.

I did in the OP.

"True meaning (Real Power) is obtained through plumbing the depths of the universe. All the purest essences of life must be absorbed and digested. One understands themselves as a manifestation of the universe, and therefore born of it’s very own will. It is from these essences that one develops true meaning and purpose. Not from the inept ramblings of the eunuch logician or materialist atheist, or the scientist who cannot comprehend the reason he concocts his potions."

This isn't a replacement for reason.

[Duality]

This isn't a replacement for reason.

Nor is reason a replacement for truth

Here lies our sovereign lord the King,
Whose word no man relies on
He never said a foolish thing,
Nor ever did a wise one

[phyllo]

I don't think you can say, however, that events in the brain are not real world events. Furthermore, all experience is manufactures by our brains. Our eyes don't see, our brains do. Our ears don't hear, our brains do.

You might indeed say that the events manufactured by the brain in the case of insane people fail to correspond to events external to the brain. But that's a little bit different.

It's easy to argue that events manufactured by the brain do not correspond to external events for anyone - simply because of the limitations of the sense organs. We only hear a limited range of sounds, see only certain colors, have a very weak sense of smell, only feel relative temperatures, etc. That is not what the OP is talking about. The OP seems to be about people creating their own meaning out of nothing. To which I responded that everyone creates their own meaning but it is based on real world experience. The huge range of human experience produces lots of meanings. I don't think that it is possible to reject, for example, materialism as being ineffective. A useful philosophical point of view is subjective. There are hard determinists here who are not crippled by the consequences of that POV while others are depressed by it. If a philosophy is not working for you then drop it. A philosophy is a way you choose to interact with the world - it is not the world - the world simply IS. Adopt an attitude which produces positive results for you. Do more research. Think more. Ask instead of answering.

[absolutely]

The primary cause seems to originate in the brain and not real world events. If a person is hearing voices then I would say that they are not sane. Sane people do not function the same way.

the sick will of all religious minds, is to impose negative obligations as regular reference for all humankind,

they mean being constantly negative, wether in having to do smthg or in doing smthg judged being wrong

they mean slaves conscious forms they create to please god conception of their mind

they are now into philosophy field lets watch the end of it by smthg that surely will come to explain why

[phyllo]

the sick will of all religious minds, is to impose negative obligations as regular reference for all humankind,

The great majority of religious minds are not sick. If the obligations of religion were so negative, they would have been abandoned long ago. The simple fact is that belief in God and religious rites is beneficial to human existence both on individual and community levels.

[finishedman]

If universal reality has its own purpose in the concept of ‘meaning,’ then the mundane directive of society is arbitrary in comparison to it. Society, when it creates for us a makeshift, temporary reality, is not intending to imply that it be maintained as the one true meaning of existence. Its purpose is to provide a meaning to which we may look and find the opportunity to use it to live sanely and intelligently in accordance with accepted norms of status quo. Without that there would be no ‘reality’ of the things around you and one’s experiences would be difficult to share.

However, an individual’s immediate experiences, without the influence of an outside agency’s counsel, are his alone and need not be shared and thus be added to the sphere of man’s knowledge and experiences that is passed down as memes.

The more that is learned and discovered, the more the realization that there is a meaning to all that is going on in nature. Perhaps the meaning will be found and actualized in each unique individual when the deliberate seeking of it ceases.

[finishedman]

If a philosophy is not working for you then drop it. A philosophy is a way you choose to interact with the world - it is not the world - the world simply IS. Adopt an attitude which produces positive results for you. Do more research. Think more. Ask instead of answering.

Agreed ... or just drop the whole thing, stop thinking tooo much and start living (of course we have to use some ideas because we live in a world of intermingled ideas)


If you have the courage to touch life for the first time, you will never know what hit you. Everything man has thought, felt and experienced is gone, and nothing is put in its place.

[absolutely]

If the obligations of religion were so negative, they would have been abandoned long ago.

you are doing here the same mistake all make, what u refer to exist more then u when existence is to objective abstraction u realize

that is how truth is, from any minimal point mean and any maximal power will, objective same true reality one

that is how truth freedom out of all objective realizations is the exclusive positive source and reason of conscious freedom ones

god exist over humans it is a fact while many others gods exist also, but each is one in truth like u are one conscious free

u invent words about all to mean ur constant being right out, they invent images about all to mean their constant being right out, exactly same rule, freedom out of absolute freedom space rules

freedom mister is the only reference to observe any fact existence, constancy is out of freedom bc then it is true and truth is always the exclusive objective reason

so that insistence to justify pedagogy is a lie, confirming evil as absolute powerful sources and reasons of all realities life

[phyllo]

Absolutely,

Just out of curiosity - and this is not meant as an attack on you - what is your native language?

Are you using Google Translate, Babblefish or are you doing-it-yourself?

[finishedman]

Phyllo, absolutly’s a good example of what happens when we don’t use the ‘reality’(grammar) we have accepted to use in order to experience the meaning of communicating .

The assumption of reality arises because of its being communicated to me. If communication fails alltogether, meanings of’ realities’ and things is lost.

edit: I don't mean to say that the knowledge of what is given as 'reality' is Reality.

[phyllo]

The assumption of reality arises because of its being communicated to me. If communication fails alltogether, meanings of’ realities’ and things is lost.

I have my meaning, he has his meaning and both are tenuously related to some external reality.

edit: I don't mean to say that the knowledge of what is given as 'reality' is Reality.

If you try to grasp it, it's not there.

The tao that can be described
is not the eternal Tao.
The name that can be spoken
is not the eternal Name.

[volchok]

. Man being both infinite consciousness and sentient being, his life is not defined by any external entity as .

Evidence?

The universe is an entity to be actively experienced through an actualized and developed consciousness

Says who?

That means get out there and honestly actualize your own reality. Start a fight, drink a wine, perform a play, lose a love, watch the gleaming sunset over the mountains and feel one with the pulsating universe.

Nice woo woo.

When one sees oneself as an insignificant puppet on a cosmic string, all the juice, vigour and beauty is drained out of life.

On the contrary. Usually when people realize that they're insignificant in the grand scheme of things, they usually start to appreciate much more how lucky they are to be alive.

As the true method of knowledge is experiment the true faculty of knowing must be the faculty which experiences, This faculty I treat of

Dogma.

I have nothing but pity, but so it is when you follow a eunuch philosophy, so you will experience a eunuch existence.

You're quite presumptuous ain't you? . Who cares about your fucking pity? I can assure you there's a lot of people who pity people like you .

[volchok]

The simple fact is that belief in God and religious rites is beneficial to human existence both on individual and community levels.

Pure nonsense.

[phyllo]

Pure nonsense.

People keep doing the same things over and over again because it's useless and makes them miserable. Right?

[volchok]

People keep doing the same things over and over again because it's useless and makes them miserable. Right?

Just because something still exists does not mean it's beneficial. It simply means it hasn't destroyed society yet.
Clearly religion / belief in god is extremely harmful. Just take a look around. What planet do you live on?
I would love to see you tell all the millions who died of aids, to the gays, to woman, to pretty much all minorities, to all the millions that died throughout history on religious wars, t, how belief in god/religion/faith is beneficial.

Also, the main reason why people keep doing the same things over and over is indoctrination combined with lack of knowledge.

[phyllo]

I would love to see you tell all the millions who died of aids, to the gays, to woman, to pretty much all minorities, to all the millions that died throughout history on religious wars, t, how belief in god/religion/faith is beneficial.

Religion causes AIDS? Whoa.
I'm not sure what your point is about gays, women and minorities. Religion caused problems for these groups? News for you : some atheists are also homophobes, misogynists and racists. Religious organizations have worked to improve the status of all these groups. Individuals have been motivated by their religious beliefs to help others.
Humans fight. They do that with or without religion. Usually religion is just an excuse.

Also, the main reason why people keep doing the same things over and over is indoctrination combined with lack of knowledge.

You don't give people very much credit.