The difference between this God and the rest of them is that it is no longer superior to man. The question then remains if it is truly a God, and if Gods are still possible, or necessary.
A God has been a means to convey value, more than anything else, “hope”. Perhaps because hope is replaced by certainty, God loses his “terrible mask” and is seen for what it is – a great thing – a thing.
Perhaps this invention has only served me to prove to me the unnecessariness of a true concept of God.
Against this God, perhaps as a first antipode to it in a system of derivations, stands its shadow, that which it is not – the cold dak Earth that draws to it all that wishes to forget itself in destructive certainty, the roots of all the resistance against the perfection of order in immediacy.
I fear that much of this is summoned in the dark as the other is seen in the light. This power needs to be rooted, not in Earth, but in - sap. Yes, I was not wrong, a transition needs to be made from electricity into sap. I fear I must begin to learn some chemistry to move any further.
Made in God’s image. Called to Godlikeness. Children of God. “Ye are gods!” Abraham and Moses: They chastize God! Israel: He who strives with God. He who wrestles with God and who God wrestles with. He who gives God a good fight! God to Job: “Stand up like a virile man! Face Me like the man that you are!” Jesus Christ: God made flesh. God incarnate. The fulfillment of humankind.
Anyways. Hard to see that this God of yours is the first to consider humankind a (potential) equal, or even a superior at times.
Interesting examples! Yes, perhaps mine is just one in a long lineage.
The difference would then be just one of gradation, another step in the improvement / making useful of the relationship between man and God.
And another step in making recognizable the nature of the utility of this relationship. I do not require a God to give me or my life meaning – value ontology has made all that sort of mythologizing unnecessary. But apparently there is still the question of a superindividual force, a web between beings, influence. If anything Gods have always been envisioned to ensure victory and dominion.
Mostly such dominion has been of political and military nature – religion and science to serve politics, philosophy (ideation) to serve religion and science.
With the conception of value ontology I have overthrown this order, so that now politics, religion and science (may!) all answer to philosophy. “May”, because so far, not many have understood it, and the various sciences and theoretic fields will certainly resist this subjection, until they cannot any longer resist the power that comes with it.
After all, consider the type of power science and religion have given man so far over his self and his destiny. It has been a very fragile, ambiguous and questionable power, a power that is taken away from him as much as it is given… because both religion and science are rooted in the belief in objectivity, which is antithetical to belief in man as he is.
Oh shut up the lot of you if you don’t put on a Ninja or Pirate costume you’re doomed to hells freezer forever. I will be laughing at you from heaven whilst drinking from beer volcanoes and indulging my carnal desires in stripper factories.
Oh and my God is implicitly bigger than your God. /thread.
No offence, because I can’t lay claim to this either, but I doubt you have the slightest idea what the relationship between God and man is in Biblical terms! Or at least, not a strong enough sense to make a claim like this. (Let’s not forget there are thousands of years of wisdom distilled in those texts… As fun as it may be to run wild with our own fancies a little humility and respect can go a long way…)
Good! I was dwelling on this just the other day. To Job God says “Deck yourself with glory and honour…”
The idea is not that Job is to find meaning in God’s appraisal of him, but in Job’s appraisal of himself. Job has to sense his own strength and dignity or, in a word, value, as a human being. Not sure what you mean by “value ontology” though.
Yes, his value to himself. God was on to something.
Ontology is the science of being. Value ontology is the science of self-valuing as the root of being.
OMG another god. The cosmos is more cluttered with gods than outer space around our earth (more than 36,000 pieces of junk floating around up there). Do we really need another one? Gods bore me.
Turtle - Yes. Not in that he is outside of reality, but in that he is accessed through ‘magical seeing’, i.e. subtle energetic/astral projecting of which many living Gods (such as Allah) are made. That means that he has come into being by my intention, just as Allah has come into being by the intention of his worshippers - which is why Allah is now a very powerful, very real, “supernatural” presence.
Seeing as you and I lack the technology to measure such thought-body (I’m sure its possible to create measuring instruments though) you can only confirm this by actually trying to access the God with a truly focused intention. Though I sincerely recommend that you don’t do it with Allah, because that powerful force (a collective compulsive neurosis, as a spiritual teacher ones described Islam to me) will take hold of you somehow.
Note that you can only effectively pray to Allah and receive his grace if you are truly submissive, if you truly have the wish to submit to a superior power. I have deliberately created an opposite type of God. Submission will not result in contact, only bestowing as prescribed in the OP will enable you to receive the vision. Handily this filters out anyone who doesn’t have anything to give. The problem I see with most religions is that they attract parasites, and over time become aggregates of depravity.
Pretty linearly actually. I only contact him only about five or six times a year, he seems to have grown stronger each time, making it more rewarding to invest.
The effect of this offering on me has been quite significant. I noticed that this thing was a working “God” - there was that click you have when a protocoled meditation takes hold, when your brain is suddenly united in one task. This was the first time that I had completely started from pure trust in my own ontological autonomy and took the concept of a magneto-semantic force absolutely seriously.
I bless everybody in the name of Satan in this thread. Speak Satan’s name six hundred and sixty six times, then ye shall be annointed unded the dark prince.
Hail Satan! All hail the morning star and the fallen one!