Matrix (first movie only) or Star Wars (vols. 4,5,6 only)

Regardless of what generation you’re from, when it comes to philosophical themes, the matrix is immeasurably better then the star war films.

I’m polling more for the emotional and spiritual significance it has for you than for the amount and quality of philosophical themes.

I was thinking this too. Apples and Oranges. Not anything close to “Same concept really” as Duality said.

But, when it comes to philosophical themes, I don’t think I’ve yet come across a movie that comes even close to the quality of 2001

True but then Star Wars never set out to be philosophical, it’s pure fantasy in a galaxy far far away-- escapism. The Matrix’s philosophy wasn’t that deep, let’s face it, superficial at best I think. I think the question is flawed because both films set out to be very different things, so judging them with regard to each other is impossible. You might as well judge Lord of the Rings against Fight Club for all the similarities they exhibit.

Star wars is only escapism for those who like Star Wars and are escapists(i.e. losers).

A lot of the Star Wars literature is very good though, very deep.

Especially with Boba Fett.

Listen, I’m not equating these movies on the grounds of philosophical themes or messages. Indeed, as FJ says, I would be posting about movies like 2001 or eXistenz if that were the case. I am equating themm on grounds that Dualism hinted at; namely, that they are both generation defining movies that revolved around a Hero’s journey.

Don’t tell me which one you think is better quality, tell me which one got to you more.

Or, rather, which one means more to you.

Why are escapists losers? It’s not like they don’t wake up put on their shoes and go to work like everyone else. Some people like to relax with a fantasy some don’t, It hardly makes them a loser if they do. Not everything has to have some deep and intrinsic meaning, people might like both the depth and the fantasy…

I likes me fantasy and I likes me depth. Don’t judge me on it because I like a breadth of things. :slight_smile:

There’s a differance between enjoying something and using it as an “escape”.

I play a lot of RPG’s but that doesn’t mean i’m using it as an escape.

So what are you using it for? Be honest it’s something you do to get you away from the real world and something you can enjoy thus.

I am Honest, my life isn’t so miserable that I wish to escape from it.

I simply enjoy a good story, I like to encounter certain settings and ideas, recurring themes and all that.

In order to increase my own understanding, in fact my view of life is that of a story; so with that I see it as a way to be entertained and also learn at the same time.

Ever play Rome: Total War?

You forgot Lord of the Rings.

Yes

I don’t know where you got the idea that escapism has to mean you hate your life, escapism can just be a diversion from the mundane. But hey whatever.

I suppose I don’t consider them diversions.

Whenever I play Rome, I temporarily become a hardcore imperialist.

When I enslave a part of the populace I pretend people are simply migrating to another part of the Empire.

And when I exterminate a populace (because oddly it makes them happier, something they fixed in the later games)

I pretend it didn’t happen.

Lol!

I view slavery simply as a first step in cultural assimilation. After all, you only get the slaves for a certain number of turns. Also, it makes sense that order goes up if you exterminate most of them. The few left are like “Ok, ok, just… just put the sword away.” I do it if the place I counquered gave me more trouble then thay are worth, Alexander style.

You’re talking about Thrace not Tyre right?