Atoms as little galaxies, galaxies as large atoms

Well of course. If you can pass through it, it’s not a wall! :slight_smile:

Not sure if I buy that QM thing though. :-k

I’m totally classical.
A place for everything and everything in its place.
Nothing is for nothing.

john

But the galaxy model for the atom, while being
totally classical, leads to powers over
matter that QM decided were impossible when
they accepted the HUP.

The galaxy model says that atoms are discs, and
these rotating discs precess in order to sweep out
their sphere of influence.

Imagine a long straight tube filled with spinning
coins. If the spins are random, you can never see to the end
of the tube, but if you synchronise the spins, you can.
So, the first step to synchronising the disc/atoms, is to recognize
they are discs.

Then prepare for the Age of Crystals.
:slight_smile:

john

You have to follow this idea a little further:
atoms are stars and planets and…LIFE.
Every atom each of us is made from is full of US!!
So…

john

So if atoms are little galaxies, every carbon atom
in your body is another Milky Way. The life and intelligence
in those mini-galaxies will be in our image, and their
lifetimes will be in tiny fractions of our seconds.
Our hopes and fears of our present situation will result
in all different possibilities being played out in those
mini-worlds all the time.
Can you imagine if we could tap into that kind of real-world
laboratory? Any situation we were in, we could just run all
the possible outcomes of each decision before taking it.

john

Dr. Seuss already imagined it for us:

Love Dr. Seuss.

On sci.physics right now:

What WOULD work, however, and it is
very similar to what you are saying, is if
all matter gave out a PUSH in all directions, and all
matter absorbed an equal amount of PUSH from all
directions. Then you do the whole LeSage thing, and if it is
electron radiations at a smaller scale and higher
speed, that works great! The protons absorb the
gravitation/inertia and feed their electrons, which need to be
fed constantly because they RADIATE.

There! Matter causes gravitation, but not
local matter, so you do away with Black Holes and
you have a limit to how much gravity
can be experienced on a planet. Now that you have this
limit, you have a lot of unseen matter at planet/suns’ centers,
and larger bodies appear to be much less dense than
they are. So if you were to have a larger planet, such as
Saturn, Jupiter, or Neptune, or a Sun, it would appear to be
mostly gaseous when in fact it is rock and lava just like us.

Hmmm. Missing matter.

john

Okay, I’m just rambling using large-scale
to fill in blanks about small scale and vice-versa,
based on the assumption that atoms are little galaxies
and galaxies are large atoms.

You have a neutrino flux coming from all the
stars. This energy passes through from all sides
all the time, everywhere. Now we’re saying electrons
are made from a billion stars in that little galaxy that is an atom.
So, we also have a flux of energy just like neutrinos,
but 10^27 times smaller, although also 10^27 times more
numerous, coming through everywhere
from all sides.

This smaller flux pushes on protons and is absorbed
by them to feed the electrons. Gravity? Sure
looks like it. These could be
the ‘ultra-mundane’ particles required for LeSage Gravity.
Meanwhile, the neutrino flux goes right through matter
but must be being absorbed by galactic centers,
and therefore pushing on them.
So it will be the neutrino flux that is pushing
galaxies apart. Dark Energy? Neutrinos.

john

But a major part of this idea is that
atoms possess intelligence- and therefore MEMORY.

What is that ‘science’ where they dilute and dilute?
Perhaps the memory of the drug is all that’s
needed, and a cure takes place at a deeper level?

john

Anyway, pretty soon after I got the idea that
atoms must possess intelligence, I realized that
no two molecules can be alike. When our body
takes proteins apart and re-constitutes them
as our own tissue, there is a memory of what
they were. That memory can be good or it can
be bad. If it’s bad, then your body could have issues
down the road.

john

Interesting thoughts, hooper. Just letting you know that at least somebody (me) is reading them.

Aw!
Thank you, Anon!

Check out what I just found with
the Benzene construction-
This view is a split-screen of my
Benzene construction at 320 degrees
of ring rotation showing
a SouthEast viewpoint on the left and
a NorthWest viewpoint on the right.
users.accesscomm.ca/john/bb320.jpg

The only thing that changes are the
disc numbers and the origin arrows!!

I could animate this and view it from
any two diametrically-opposed viewpoints,
and the two images would be identical!

Freak me out!

john

I’m about half-way through
constructing the above animation-
the SE/NW split-screen of my
Benzene construction.

It will either be intriguing or boring.
If intriguing, I’ll look at a SW/NE split-screen,
maybe.

The fact that this ring arrangement
remains identical for any two
backwards/forwards viewpoints is
extremely encouraging for the atom/galaxy
concept. I will post the upcoming animation
as soon as it is finished.

john

Okay, here’s my Benzene structure wherein
30 electrons are traded continuously seen from
two opposite sides:
users.accesscomm.ca/john/BenzeneF.GIF

I set it to run one frame every five seconds
so it can be seen clearly how the two
views are completely identical. This is true
for this complex multidirectional structure from
any two opposing viewpoints.

Score!

john

Still trying to explain the galaxy/atom
structure at its most basic:

There are three orthogonal axes
around which rotation can occur
at each size level. It is Time that
allows this rotation. :slight_smile:

Photons rotate around two of these axes
while translating along the third
so are essentially two-dimensional
(at each size-level).

Matter rotates around all three axes
and so is stationary

The first rotation defines the line.
The second rotation defines the disc,
and it can be clockwise or counterclockwise
according to the first rotation.
The third rotation defines the sphere, and makes
the whole symmetrical with itself.

Because the second rotation has two choices- an up and
a down so to speak- there are two opposite
electrons- fundamentally opposite in terms of
their spin- at each end of an orbital.

john
galaxy model

The interesting things about fractal intelligent-life
populated galaxy/atoms are many.

There are 160 billion planets in the Milky Way.
If the Milky Way is a Carbon atom, there are
10^27 similar atoms in a human body.

Now, if all these Carbon atoms in our body have intelligent
life in them, being as how they are fractals of us and
our surroundings, this intelligent life will certainly be
“in our own image”.

“We” are each “God” to all of the 16 X !0^37 planets
in our bodies.

Now, granted, the lifetimes on these planets are
only an eyeblink in our time, but knowledge can
be passed on, and if we are good gods to
our 16 X 10^37 planets, the miriad intelligent beings
within us will protect us and inform us, if we have ears.

john
galaxy model for the atom

The Universe is a fractal.

And at each level of the fractal there is matter and
radiant energies to do with that matter.

The radiant energies coming from electron matter
result in gravity and inertia because they are
selectively absorbed by protons.

The radiant energies coming from stars result
in expansion of the space between galaxies
because they are selectively absorbed by
galactic centers.

So, it follows that we ourselves are
also fractals, whose forms at each level
are composed of the atomic building
blocks of that level. Each of us has
gazillions of little us-es inside. :slight_smile:

john
galaxy model

This is my latest crack at elucidating Benzene:
users.accesscomm.ca/john/Benzene.GIF
john

Well, regardless of the Benzine issue;

A) it is provable that one cannot carry the analogy downscale (having nothing to do with Plank).
B) what causes a sub atomic particle to be a particle and behave as it does is not present in the form of a galaxy or even a planet.
C) QM is a distractive joke played on Science.

But as far as our observable universe being merely a “puff of smoke” on a larger scale, I can’t see how such could not be true. It is highly unlikely that galaxies would establish any kind of molecular type structure on any scale anywhere close to that of atoms, but on the other hand, they cannot avoid being a structure of some kind.

I wondered myself as to whether there is a vastly larger life form of which we would be too insignificant to even discover. But at this point, I really have no principles to guide me concerning that issue except to say that greater has no choice but to exist. As to what it might look like on that scale, I have no idea.

Hi James
I wonder how you can limit smaller and then say this?

Can something very small have intelligence?
john