Why condemn offence, when it is a subjective phenomenon?

[indoz]

Of course, as all things are subjective. so what?

So reacting to someone dehumanizing you is a natural inevitable thing.[/quote]

Not really, nobody has to be nice.

[Moreno]

Of course, as all things are subjective. so what?

So reacting to someone dehumanizing you is a natural inevitable thing.

Not really, nobody has to be nice.[/quote]That's what I am saying. If someone is racist at you and you react angrily, you are demonstrating that no one has to be nice. It seems like you want to be free to say whatever to other people but if they are bothered they have to shut up and stifle their anger.

[Moreno]

As offence is subjective, and logically anything can offend, then it stands to reason that curbing offence makes no sense. Perhaps people should take it if others offend them.

Why? Why should people be free to say anything but others must muzzle their reactions?

Nobody has to respect others.[/quote]Precisely. No one has to respect a racist. It seems like you want other people to accept you and whatever you say, but you cannot grant them the same freedom.

[indoz]

As nobody has to be nice, then it stands to reason that people should suck it up.

[Moreno]

As nobody has to be nice, then it stands to reason that people should suck it up.

I hope, for your sake, you are trolling.
That makes no sense. The person who does not like blacks can suck it up and keep his mouth shut. But you think its fine for him to express himself. Well, if it is fine for him, it is fine for the offended black person to express him or herself.

You are offended by people getting offended by racism. Why don't you suck it up instead of having a thread in a philosophy forum trying to convince them and everyone else to suck it up?

They don't have to be nice either. As you say, nobody has to be nice. That includes the people you want to suck it up.

[indoz]

why shouldn't people suck it up? it is about being a mentally fit person.

[Moreno]

why shouldn't people suck it up? it is about being a mentally fit person.

Can you specifically address the issue I raised?

[indoz]

why shouldn't people suck it up? it is about being a mentally fit person.

Can you specifically address the issue I raised?

I did. It's about being mentally fit and recognising that people can act as they please in life.

[indoz]

As nobody has to be nice, then it stands to reason that people should suck it up.

I hope, for your sake, you are trolling.
That makes no sense. The person who does not like blacks can suck it up and keep his mouth shut. But you think its fine for him to express himself. Well, if it is fine for him, it is fine for the offended black person to express him or herself.

You are offended by people getting offended by racism. Why don't you suck it up instead of having a thread in a philosophy forum trying to convince them and everyone else to suck it up?

They don't have to be nice either. As you say, nobody has to be nice. That includes the people you want to suck it up.

Most people don't like blacks. it's common fact.

[Moreno]

why shouldn't people suck it up? it is about being a mentally fit person.

Can you specifically address the issue I raised?

I did. It's about being mentally fit and recognising that people can act as they please in life.

No, you are not addressing the issue I raised. You want to be free to react to other people, but you do not want them to be free to react to you and what you do. See if you can focus on this issue, rather than repeating things you have already said.

[Moreno]

As nobody has to be nice, then it stands to reason that people should suck it up.

I hope, for your sake, you are trolling.
That makes no sense. The person who does not like blacks can suck it up and keep his mouth shut. But you think its fine for him to express himself. Well, if it is fine for him, it is fine for the offended black person to express him or herself.

You are offended by people getting offended by racism. Why don't you suck it up instead of having a thread in a philosophy forum trying to convince them and everyone else to suck it up?

They don't have to be nice either. As you say, nobody has to be nice. That includes the people you want to suck it up.

Most people don't like blacks. it's common fact.

This is not, in any way, a response to the issue I raised.

[indoz]

I did. It's about being mentally fit and recognising that people can act as they please in life.

No, you are not addressing the issue I raised. You want to be free to react to other people, but you do not want them to be free to react to you and what you do. See if you can focus on this issue, rather than repeating things you have already said.[/quote]

People have a right to dehumanise others.

[indoz]

You are offended by people getting offended by racism. Why don't you suck it up instead of having a thread in a philosophy forum trying to convince them and everyone else to suck it up?

They don't have to be nice either. As you say, nobody has to be nice. That includes the people you want to suck it up.

Most people don't like blacks. it's common fact.[/quote]This is not, in any way, a response to the issue I raised.[/quote]

That's incidental. It's common knowledge that people should suck up to rude/offensive persons. As said, it's about being a mentally fit individual.

[Moreno]

People have a right to dehumanise others.

In certain ways and not others, but people have a right to react angrily to ALL kinds of dehumanization. They don't have to stuff down their reactions to your racism or dehumanization of them. You really are going to have to get used to this.

[Moreno]

That's incidental. It's common knowledge that people should suck up to rude/offensive persons. As said, it's about being a mentally fit individual.

LOL. Maybe you are just taking the piss out of us. And you just have to suck it up to people who do not suck it up. I know this will be hard for you, but, well, suck it up. You still have not responded to this issue. The one where you want other people to suck it up, but you yourself go in whining and complaining about their behavior, and I mean on and on, and cannot suck it up yourself.

What a poor role model you are for your own philosophy.

[indoz]

lol... I'm just relaying what most persons deem the actions of a mentally fit/balanced person. One just works around rude/offensive people.

[MagsJ]

Anyone can pretty much do and say whatever they want... as long as they are prepared for any resulting actions that may stem from it, which is why most people don't Indoz.

[Moreno]

lol... I'm just relaying what most persons deem the actions of a mentally fit/balanced person. One just works around rude/offensive people.

So you can work around people who don't work around rude/offensive people, but react openly. But as far as I can see, people react all the time to rude offensive people by getting upset, angry, condemning what they did or said, etc. Perhaps you live in a nice Quaker village. Most people don't.

If you want to remain silent when people insult you or your group, you are utterly free to do this. None of us will take this away from you.

[indoz]

lol... I'm just relaying what most persons deem the actions of a mentally fit/balanced person. One just works around rude/offensive people.

So you can work around people who don't work around rude/offensive people, but react openly. But as far as I can see, people react all the time to rude offensive people by getting upset, angry, condemning what they did or said, etc. Perhaps you live in a nice Quaker village. Most people don't.

If you want to remain silent when people insult you or your group, you are utterly free to do this. None of us will take this away from you.

It depends, as stated.

Most say to kill rude people with kindness. In modern society, it is not deemed mentally fit to react aggressively. This is per how medical professionals deem it so, as stated in most medical texts.

[Moreno]

It depends, as stated.

Most say to kill rude people with kindness.

No they don't. And they certainly don't follow this rule.

In modern society, it is not deemed mentally fit to react aggressively

I see people reacting angrily all the time. In most cases aggression is an overreaction. But this is just stacking the deck to introduce this word.

This is per how medical professionals deem it so, as stated in most medical texts.

Now you're talking about fields I work in and you are wrong. Only a very tiny number of loopy psychiatrists or psychologists would think, for example, that a black person who got very angry after being called a nigger was mentally unstable. Or that someone getting angry at someone being rude was mentally unstable. You are just making stuff up. And certainly none of them would judge someone unfit for 'condeming the offense', which is a highly rational response indicating a cognitive reaction.

There is nothing wrong with telling someone who cuts in front of me in the bank line that they are being rude - condemning the offense. If they tell me they are better than me, getting angry is really quite normal. If you want to kill them with kindness, go for it. I think this can be a great strategy in some cases.

But what you really seem to want is to be able to be rude and other people not react to you. As you know, this is not the norm, or why would you have this thread?

[indoz]

lol... Again, most medical texts state as such, since we cannot control the conduct of others. If you work in the field, kindly demonstrate the contrary. You should at least be able to cite texts/research to corroborate your point.

[Moreno]

lol... Again, most medical texts state as such, since we cannot control the conduct of others. If you work in the field, kindly demonstrate the contrary. You should at least be able to cite texts/research to corroborate your point.

I love how you always assume you can make statements without any support but if anyone disagrees, they bear the onus. You got pissed off at your brother which you described in the other thread. I use your own behavior to show that you, in fact, agree with me.

I notice you do not respond to specific arguments I make. I assume it is because you can't rebut the arguments in them.

[indoz]

My basic argument is that society says to suck up to rudeness.

[Moreno]

My basic argument is that society says to suck up to rudeness.

So why didn't you when your brother was rude and didn't mind his own business?

[indoz]

Rudeness doesn't exist, all know this.