Sexocracy

Because sex keeps you going, while heroin stops you.

Not all drugs are for all people. Heroin might be good for a person that is very wound up all the time and doesn’t want to change, for example. With the heroin, he can drop every now and then, but the discipline keeps you wound up the rest of the time, making for a better balance than before. Cocaine might be good for… Well, I dunno, Freud had some theories. Pot is good for people who have trouble empathizing and for the heroin example but to a way lesser extent, or a person that thrives on creativity. You see where I am going with this I think…

But sex is good for everybody.

I haven’t read anything by Marx. When did he argue for the abolition of money? What did he say about drugs? what did he say about sex?

It’s not a sex based economy it’s a status based economy. Sexual serve providers receive the higher status.

We’re all genetically programmed to have sexual desire. We only desire heroin after we’ve experienced it. You can’t overdose on sex. Sex is good for you, heroin use comes with health risks.

The economy isn’t designed according to sex or heroin it is designed according to freedom. It is a society where people are free to live whatever lifestyle they wish. It’s obvious that most men, if they were able to live the lifestyle they wished to, would have sex with lots of beautiful young women, and so the Sexocracy allows them to do this. I think many people wish to take heroin. I know I do. And so the Sexocracy provides this as well within a regulatory framework to maximise safety.

how did I get here?

“We’re all genetically programmed to have sexual desire.”

I think I met that programmer once. He was in a group of programmers, one was named genetic, one was named basic, and one was name, what the hell?

I was programmed to have beer and pizza. However, the programmer was not too good and I ended up with salad and steak.

I don’t see the distinction between, I was genetically programmed to eat pussy, and God created a fornicator. They seem to be much on par.

Genetic code is a language, to say that a language spoke itself, wrote itself, is rather thoughtless. A non-thought, actually.

As Plato pointed out, nobody desires a specific thing, only the satisfaction of an emotion, which is not specific at all.

The human body is a system of seven environmental acquisition systems. Therefore, any social system which has any hope of existing will be based on conquering “the seven last plagues of man”–metaphorically, of course. And, if one is way too stupid to get the procreative system right, there is absolutely no hope at all for the remaining six, six, six.

When our society starts thinking the opposite of this, I will consider it evolved in its understanding of its humanity.

What a fatal mistake to make for a “philosopher.”

Read up holmes, drop this scripture bullshit.

Perhaps you should.

You can, sexual compulsion (to the point of harming oneself) is a well-known disorder. Most of the danger of heroin comes from its uncontrolled, unregulated nature: medical opiates are much safer. And, apparently, better than sex. The pleasure is a (very) similar biological pathway, but more intense - if your philosophy is based on hedonism, why not go for that?

How is it different then from legalising drugs and prostitution? What freedom does money prevent here?

Thanks, Only Humean.

Why don’t you answer my questions? where does Marx advocate the abolition of money? What does he say about sexuality? what does he say about drug use?

Sexual compulsion. The ‘Tiger Woods’ effect right? We’ve all got sexual compulsion, we’ve evolved to be like that.

Heroin is a medical opiate- diacetylmorphine. Heroin is just the street name for it. People can take diacetylmorphine in the Sexocracy, or they can have sex with beautiful people, or they can do both. It isn’t the case that I have to ‘go for’ one or the other. Both are available in the Sexocracy.

Money draws value away from human beings and onto itself.

In the Communist Manifesto, for a start. Although by the time he got Capital written - he’d probably spent longer studying, publishing and debating on political economy than you’ve been alive by then - he concluded that it was impractical while commodities were being produced. It’s not like it’s a new idea - communists were misguidedly equating money with capitalist oppression 150 years ago (Proudhon was all for banning it - ‘property is theft’) and various religious communities have banned it as well. It’s even been done on a national scale - Pol Pot abolished money in Cambodia. Turned out well, didn’t it?

As for sex and drugs, he didn’t see them as integral to a fair/just society - if religion is the opiate of the masses, it’s clear that he’s not pro-opiate.

No, I mean sexual compulsion. Masturbating until your genitals are injured, unable to concentrate or hold down jobs. And clearly, we haven’t all got it.

So in the sexocracy, all males have equal status, despite being of different values to society, correct? Status determines how goods are allocated through society. How will ‘status’ not draw value away from human beings and onto itself? How is it different from money?

Say the fire brigade goes on strike and demands a higher status due to the risks it takes. What then?

Thanks, Only Humean. Money was abolished in North Korea quite recently as well by the late Kim Jong Il with predictably disasterous results.

I certainly wouldn’t advocate the abolition of money overnight. First of all I’d be in favour of massive tax rises on the rich to redistribute wealth. Abolishing money completely would be something to aim for in the future.

If money is to be abolished then it has to be done within the context of a new status based system that recognises human beings as pleasure seeking, sexual beings.

I suppose masturbation to the point of injury is overdose on sex in a way. Also people who engage in frequent receptive anal sex can end up with serious problems.

In reality all human beings have fundamentally equal status. In the Sexocracy superficial inequalities are created between the different statuses that I described in my first post. The status doesn’t draw value away from human beings and onto itself because it is a justified system. People can justify why the sexual service providers receive the super luxury status, workers receive the luxury status and other people receive the standard status or rehab status. No one can justify why one child is born to be a billionaire while another is born to die from drinking dirty water before they reach 1 year old. Because that just isn’t justifiable.

In the Sexocracy all workers receive LS unless they’re SSPs. If someone goes on strike then they’re just told the system has been set. If firefighters go on strike this is a criminal act. They would be arrested and imprisoned on rehab status and new firefighters would be trained.

Just throwing this out there, but you can overdose on sex.
One man (Russian) passed out and his heart stopped after winning a bet with two women saying he could have constant sex with them for like 18 hours non-stop.
I’ll look for the article.

P.S. here it is.
“2009: Sergey Tuganov, a 28-year-old Russian, bet two women that he could continuously have sex with them both for twelve hours. Several minutes after winning the $4,300 bet, he suffered a fatal heart attack”

Why not humans as creative, playful beings? Or humans as social, nurturing beings? This is where the question returns to your personal situation - age, gender, relationship history and so on.

You can justify it to yourself. It’s not a logical inevitability, though, it’s a question of values and priorities.

OK, we’ve established that it’s an oppressive state with no room for social compromise. So why would people take on jobs that are currently high-risk or require intense dedication, which are now compensated in the form of pay? How do you ensure that the best people are taken for the roles they are needed in, and remain motivated? And how does the sexocracy “fund” large-scale infrastructure?

Lol, 'cause rescue workers are paid so well. And mine seekers. And toxic disposal workers. Come to think of it, what the hell high risk jobs are you talking about?

Humans create for pleasure. They socialise for pleasure, they nurture for pleasure. Some humans aren’t particularly creative, social or nurturing but they are always pleasure seeking. All human activity is always pleasure seeking. Human activity is not always creative, social or nurturing.

I think the Sexocracy is a logical inevitabality.

It’s an oppressive state because people can’t get whatever they want? I’m going to ask my government for a billion quid. They say no? It’s an oppressive state! I’m going to become a firefighter but when someone’s house is on fire I’ll only go and rescue their children from the burning building if I feel in the right mood. That’s not acceptable? Stop oppressing me!

The Sexocracy is the least oppressive society possible because it allows people to take drugs in the safest possible way and to have sex with beautiful people without feelings of guilt or condemnation from others.

If you haven’t noticed the soldiers getting blasted to pieces on a daily basis in Afghanistan get pretty lousy pay. Everyone receives luxury status for working according to contract except SSPs. The less popular the job is the less hours you have to work in it to receive LS.

That’s simply not true, even at a facile level. Unless you redefine pleasure as being whatever motivates people to do things.

If that’s the best you can come up with, I’ll leave you to it. Cheers.

Least oppressive to you, because that’s all you want to do. Well done, there. Set your sights high, right?

I want to have lots of guilt free sex with beautiful young females and take pharmaceutical grade heroin. What’s wrong with that?

I started this thread because I want to create a global near utopia. I want to bring about radical changes to society on a global scale. That sounds like I’ve set my sights pretty high to me.

Who is the most oppressed? The firefighter who knows he can’t legally go on strike or the child trapped in a burning building who knows he wont be rescued because the firefighters have gone on strike?

We’re all pleasure seeking beings. People who deny that do so because it causes them to feel pleasure. Name a human activity that isn’t pleasure seeking.

Have you ever felt guilty after having a wank, what’s that all about? I mean I’m not religious…

Dying.

Most peoples jobs.

Paying taxes.

Being shot at or blown up because your government does not like the turban wearing infidels.

Marrying Paris Hilton, no amount of money could make that worthwhile.

Punching a wall in frustration.

Eating liver when you know you hate it, because someone spent years slaving over a hot stove, even though you know they’ll still hate you.

Taking a football in the balls as a test of manhood.

Many things that lead nowhere and are stupid that you seemingly have a knack of doing in your idiot life.

Bullying people, because you have issues that you can’t resolve.

I’m not going to continue because your point was senseless. We don’t always do that which we want to or that which would give us much pleasure or result in a goal that is more pleasurable. To say otherwise is to have never lived and to assume our id knows what is good for us.

Dying. - Dying isn’t usually an activity it occurs for external reasons. Unless it’s suicide. people commit suicide to seek to avoid pain as this is necessary to seek pleasure. Or sometimes to please an imaginary superior being which is also a way of seeking pleasure.

Most peoples jobs. - People always do their jobs because they seek pleasure. Remember I wrote seek pleasure. That doesn’t necessarily mean they find pleasure. Most people hate their jobs. But the painful existence of doing their job is less painful than the painful existence they anticipate if they quit.

Paying taxes. - Again, people find paying taxes painful, but less painful than going to prison for tax evasion.

Being shot at or blown up because your government does not like the turban wearing infidels. - Being shot at or blown up is not an activity. The shooter is active, the victim is passive.

Marrying Paris Hilton, no amount of money could make that worthwhile. - that’s just your personal opinion. Personally I’d marry her in a second. That would give me the money I need to give myself political power.

Punching a wall in frustration. - That’s a pleasure seeking activity. The wall puncher is unlikely to find pleasure through punching a wall, but he seeks it.

Eating liver when you know you hate it, because someone spent years slaving over a hot stove, even though you know they’ll still hate you. - pleasure seeking.

Taking a football in the balls as a test of manhood. - pleasure seeking. Guys will do a lot of things to try and impress the girls and gain sexual access to their orifices.

Many things that lead nowhere and are stupid that you seemingly have a knack of doing in your idiot life. - pleasure seeking.

Bullying people, because you have issues that you can’t resolve. - pleasure seeking. I’ve seen people take intense pleasure in bullying others.

I’m not going to continue because your point was senseless. We don’t always do that which we want to or that which would give us much pleasure or result in a goal that is more pleasurable. To say otherwise is to have never lived and to assume our id knows what is good for us. - We’re all pleasure seeking beings, we’re just not very good at it.

Have you ever felt guilty after having a wank, what’s that all about? I mean I’m not religious…

No. There is no shame in masturbation. I’d feel guilty after having sex with a drug addicted sex worker who needs help and is at risk of various forms of abuse.

I’ll say one thing your single minded pursuit of hedonism does make me laugh. I wish you all happiness in life but I think if you spend it only in the pursuit of your own selfish goals and absolutes, your chance of finding it are slim. We’ve all said it, Utopia: is you topia. You’re scant regard for what anyone else wants is ridiculous.

No one can understand your goals, no person can rationalise your overwhelming desire to be selfish, because, and I hasten to add, because they are not you. No matter how brilliant you are, or claim to be, there are other people who do not think like a horny teenager on this planet, hell I’m willing to bet some of them aint horny teenagers.

Please for God’s sake find a loving relationship, learn what life is all about, and mostly and sincerely and with all my heart: stop, just stop talking shit as if you’re the all singing dancing fairy of the universe. The reason no one believes you is because they have lived. Now this might sound patronising, you might think all man’s best work is done in his trousers. But trust, me I was once told when I was young that sex is not the be all and end all of everything. I mocked them then, I still mock them for underestimating my desire, but at the end of the day there’s more to life than running a society purely based on one individuals inability to get laid, or selfish desires. You really need to get some perspective, you wont of course because you are the Kwisatz Haderach , everyone is a cocky arrogant SOB when younger, it’s only when you are older if you have any intellect you learn how valuable doubt can be.

"This is the true joy in life, the being used for a purpose recognized by yourself as a mighty one; the being thoroughly worn out before you are thrown on the scrap heap; the being a force of Nature instead of a feverish selfish little clod of ailments and grievances complaining that the world will not devote itself to making you happy. "

George Bernard Shaw.

“The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.”

Bertrand Russell.