Because you do not agree with them.
What might be my reason for not agreeing with someone?
That would be on a case-by-case basis.
How about the case of the dog above?
Yes, they can get it wrong. People are motivated to ethics by self-interest. But there are conflicts even within individuals. Long-term and short-term goals can conflict. Morality is not atomic. Moral systems are just that - full of interrelations. So, even if we are deciding just for ourselves, we can work at cross-purposes. We can devise systems that work, that don’t work, that work well or poorly.
These are but a few ways in which we can err.
Because you do not think a human being should render a dog in such a condition.
If we can suggest wrongly, doesn’t that mean it’s something more than a suggestion?
In the case of the dog, I really like dogs and my heart goes out to the dog. i am not above presenting a moral argument in favor of punishing the person who did this. Even if I don’t really believe in the argument. Tough shit. In the end, it just makes me angry. Because i really like dogs. I get a little less excited about chicken factories.
And why did they disagree?
I get pretty excited both about dogs and chicken factories. Especially since the chicken factories are not necessary for us to have eggs. I regularly eat eggs and those chickens are treated very well.
Did who disagree? The person that did that?
If we can suggest wrongly, doesn’t that mean it’s something more than a suggestion?
No. This is the part you just don’t get. it’s not the act of suggesting itself that is wrong - it would be what we suggest that would be wrong - but not morally wrong. It would be counterproductive to the object of the endeavour. It would be like dialing a wrong number. that’s not the same as a prank call.
Did who disagree? The person that did that?
You said I didn’t agree with someone about the dog case. That someone suggested otherwise than I did. You tell me…?
I get pretty excited both about dogs and chicken factories. Especially since the chicken factories are not necessary for us to have eggs. I regularly eat eggs and those chickens are treated very well.
I know, I know. I’m trying. My GF is trying to educate me. She’s made some progress.
it would be what we suggest that would be wrong - but not morally wrong. It would be counterproductive to the object of the endeavour.
What’s the object of the endeavour?
To devise a usable moral system.
To devise a usable moral system.
A moral system guides people in tough life choices. By what criteria would it guide? And why is that the criteria?
You said I didn’t agree with someone about the dog case. That someone suggested otherwise than I did. You tell me…?
No, I didn’t. I said that you don’t think that a human should treat a dog like that. I didn’t say that any specific person disagreed with you in that regard, even the person that treated the dog like that may not disagree that a dog should not be treated like that.
I said that you don’t think that a human should treat a dog like that. I didn’t say that any specific person disagreed with you in that regard, even the person that treated the dog like that may not disagree that a dog should not be treated like that.
Are you saying not a soul would disagree with me? Of billions of people, what an unlikely coincidence. What’s’ so good about my “suggestion”?
I think I should just let you pretend that you are me and have this discussion with yourself in my place. I did not say that nobody would disagree, I said that even the person that did that might not disagree. In other words, it is possible for an agent to act in a way that the agent believes to be immoral.