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jam2001 wrote:And I would like to ask again what is the great aspiration of mankind or revlation to mankind expressed in the bible that you think hints of a divine author?And I would like to ask again what is the great aspiration of mankind or revlation to mankind expressed in the bible that you think hints of a divine author?
jam2001 wrote:Do you think the new covenant then was unnecessary?
jam2001 wrote:I wonder if you could tell me exactly why you think the bible is Gods word. What part of it do you think exemplifies that or is it just another, I hold this to be self evident.
jam2001 wrote:Make no doubt I think every bible scholar in the world would agree with you that the OT foreshadows the NT in the literary sense. Don't you think that means growth or development of an Idea.
jam2001 wrote:I would surmise that you feel the cross was necessary because the Israelites broke the covenant to circumcise. What would lead you to think that?
jam2001 wrote:I can't help but you think everyone shoud agree with the vision you see unfolding in the bible.
jam2001 wrote:The inherent assumption in your belief is that mankind is a fallen race that cannot be trusted and therefor must follow the inhuman illusions you see and call wise when they are never freely chosen and must be commanded to people.
jam2001 wrote:Unfortunately your perspective doesn't even merit the logical train of thought that exists in the story to at least attempt an answer that assumption.
jam2001 wrote:I see in your vision that you carry a heavy burden of urging yourself and others to somehow model themselves after a kind of antiquated idea of perfection you hear in the bible. That is the trouble with interpreting an age old collection of texts that were written for another time and consciousness.
jam2001 wrote:By consciousness I also mean that many people were working out their answers to the questions but they were limited from knowing about things like freedom.
jam2001 wrote:They lived under kings and they truly believed that was the best way to live. They had no concept of something like a democracy.
jam2001 wrote:They are seeing the same questions you see unfolding but from a very different mindset.
jam2001 wrote:I like that you see struggle in Israel between slave and freedom. As you say Gods rule is gentle in Genesis because the actors are considered to exist different than we do now. They live a sheepish existence that is apparently void of any struggles and seem to be even unaware of sexuality until the fall. A shepherd has little reason to be hard on his sheep. They are a docile species.
jam2001 wrote:They enter Egypt as a clan under clan authority but leave as a free people. Moses freaks because he sees the new freedom becoming anarchy and idolatrous to his beliefs. He is sure that Israel cannot handle freedom so he creates the ten commandments.
jam2001 wrote:Even the messiah is envisioned as a just king who will rule.
jam2001 wrote:He has a vision of no judgment of any kind for his followers.
jam2001 wrote:Alyoshka I agree wholeheartedly with all the struggle you see in the OT. There is nothing that requires more struggle and includes a lot of shirking than maturing. I also agree with your vision of the godhead or kingship in all of us. I think the fullness of this is living the vision of no judgment. You keep recalling one quote of Jesus' where he mentions the sword. But it is not a metaphor for violence but for division. He uses it to say how brother will be divided against brother in their visions and maturity. Furthermore but for one or two exceptions his life and ministry are of a very docile acceptance of a perceived destiny.
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