House

[Gobbo]

This show is brilliant, but probably not in the way that you think.

There isn't a show on TV that even comes close to the amount of luciferic-tinted social conditioning that exist in one hour of 'House.' I kid you not, not even close.

Every show will contain the following:

Doctors breaking into someone's house illegally. Every time.
Doctors reaffirmed as the arbiters of values
The value of human life extinguished
Pragmaticism as the God of everything.
Spirituality, psychics, non-pharma drugs, literally anything they want extinguished because it poses a threat to the agenda, etc, is discredited using ad homs instead of logic.


The show is seriously brilliant. I've been watching it for years and I've pretty much concluded the writers have pledged allegiance to promoting a certain agenda. It's practically undeniable. If you know what to look for it's so overwhelmingly obvious I barely even pay attention to the storyline. If you want a clear-cut lesson in how to (silently) change the values of a group of people, House is IMO the best. South Park and The Daily Show come in at a distant second, only because they are (non) outlets for psuedo-dissidence; House is straight up social conditioning and even amongst the Conspiracy Crowd this show gets overlooked time and time again.

It's because they're SO good at what they do, and how they do it. So kudos to those guys. It's not often that I think to myself 'This is so good most people probably should miss it,' because I think most of the agenda is really quite obvious. Not this time. Like I said, they do it well.

[Gobbo]

Oh, I forgot to mention, but this week's episode deals with talking a nun out of her vows. Maybe she'll take them in the end; it doesn't matter, to any halfway intelligent person watching the show will have lambasted Christianity enough that it's almost better if she does.... for the agenda.

I'm not even religious.

[fuse]

I got bored with House after the first two or three seasons because the shtick became obvious and uninteresting. I haven't watched an episode in about two and a half years, but yes, House, whose character dominates the show and everyone in the show, is overwhelmingly pragmatic and driven to control all aspects of diagnosis and treatment according to his rigid values and lack of values. The show was interesting when he and that one woman doctor (found it: Cameron) underneath him were sort of keen about each other but unable/unwilling to be open about it. They were a clash of sensitive/intuitive (her) versus supercilious/pragmatic (him). There were some interesting dynamics on the show then and I remember these interesting lines:

[House is chuckling]
Dr. Cameron: What?
Dr. Gregory House: You've proven my little thoery I had .
Dr. Cameron: Oh? And what's that?
Dr. Gregory House: That you want to fix people. That you think it's your duty to fix damaged people. And now that I'm healthy, you don't want to go out with me any more.
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Dr. Gregory House: Who would you fire?
Dr. Allison Cameron: No one.
Dr. Gregory House: Not an option.
Dr. Allison Cameron: If everyone took a paycut and put in a few more hours, we could all stay for the same amount of money.
Dr. Gregory House: Figures you'd try to come up with a solution where no one gets hurt. The problem is the world doesn't work that way just 'cause you want it to.
Dr. Allison Cameron: Figures you'd stall and refuse to deal with the issue. Problem is, the world doesn't go away just because you want it to.



In America, supercilious pragmatism has been a dominating air for a long time, so if anything House is more a product of it than the cause. That kind of "agenda" is pretty much par for the course.

[jonquil]

The show is too formulaic and stereotypical for my tastes.

[Gobbo]

Procedural shows are inherently formuliac. Except for The Killing, which is fucking incredible, and not really procedural in the episodic sense.

Ok, so I called it, she ends up taking the vows, but not before they make sure you understand that religion is 100% delusion.

Like I said, I don't even care for religion that much, but I know that things the agenda are against are usually in some way the things that I am for.

[FilmSnob]

They go unnoticed because their "queen" piece, the heavy cavalry, is the providing of a mindset of absolute superiority.

They are the most bestest doctors anywhere ever, yet I perfectly understand all the diagnoses and the philosophical-psychological problems that come up. I must be as smart and cool as House!

An illusion usually includes distraction, and you pertinently point out that most storylines and, in fact, most elements of TV series are just distraction so that they can pull off their trick.

[Duality]

It's on cable T.V. dude,


what did you expect?

[FilmSnob]

It's on cable T.V. dude,


what did you expect?

And this here is the bottom line.

Duality, you are at your best with quick, witty responses like this.

[Gobbo]

It's on cable T.V. dude,


what did you expect?

It to be the incredibly obvious programming most people spot at some level.

[FilmSnob]

It's on cable T.V. dude,


what did you expect?

It to be the incredibly obvious programming most people spot at some level.

touché

[Duality]

It to be the incredibly obvious programming most people spot at some level.

Most people are not as noble or discerning as us.

[Gobbo]

Androgynous agenda this week.

[volchok]

House mocks religion, the supernatural and other unjustifiable claims?

Well, boo-fucking-hoo.

And I actually don't like the show..

[WW_III_ANGRY]

This isn't some sort of hidden agenda, house is an atheist and it flat out is portrayed that way. Its not like they're trying to condition you, as I see it. Unless, you just don't know anything about anything. Then maybe.

[Gobbo]

Yeah you're right, dude.

Maybe I don't know anything about anything. Brilliant deduction.

[WW_III_ANGRY]

Yeah you're right, dude.

Maybe I don't know anything about anything. Brilliant deduction.

No, obviously you're not the one who's being socially conditioned by House, right? After all, you can see what it's characters are like and how the script is portrayed. But that doesn't necessarily mean there's some hidden agenda or hidden meaning to it all, I just see it as plain as day, as you do. I just don't ascribe this hidden agenda to it.

[Gobbo]

If it's on TV it's there to serve an agenda. That is a fact.

I'm describing te agenda. If you don't think there is anymore to the show than the surface level that is wrong. Case closed.

[FilmSnob]

The hidden agenda is not assumed from some inherent characteristic of the show itself, it is assumed from a wider picture of which the show is a piece.

[Duality]

I enjoy threads like this because they offer a classic analysis of the human condition. Portrayed here is the classic false inference argument - the fact of someone being more intelligent observant and scrupulous than the average member of the human population is automatically extrapolated as a personal flaw in judgement. The fact remains that pop culture is by-and-large a mass production created by moral inferiors to entertain other moral inferiors and intellectual cripples.

[WW_III_ANGRY]

If it's on TV it's there to serve an agenda. That is a fact.

I'm describing te agenda. If you don't think there is anymore to the show than the surface level that is wrong. Case closed.

The obvious agenda is to gain viewers to gain ratings to gain advertising revenue. If you think there is a hidden agenda then what is it? I say it is all out in the open. That being the nihilistic, atheistic philosophy of Dr. House. How was this derived not to be entertaining, but to be of a nature to indoctrinate society?

[WW_III_ANGRY]

The hidden agenda is not assumed from some inherent characteristic of the show itself, it is assumed from a wider picture of which the show is a piece.

Explain how the authors of the show have a desire to promote an agenda of indoctrination as opposed to making money and providing an entertaining show.

[WW_III_ANGRY]

I enjoy threads like this because they offer a classic analysis of the human condition. Portrayed here is the classic false inference argument - the fact of someone being more intelligent observant and scrupulous than the average member of the human population is automatically extrapolated as a personal flaw in judgement. The fact remains that pop culture is by-and-large a mass production created by moral inferiors to entertain other moral inferiors and intellectual cripples.

I'm not sure where you derived that from, but I hope it isn't from the conversation I'm involved in, can you clarify with specific examples?

[Calrid]

Gah entertainment, let me tell you about it , you can't keep all of the people happy all of the time, but you can keep some of the people happy all of the time.

Christ on a bike, there's always some weird contingency that explains what everyone is doing to everyone else all the time. House is about keeping the most ratings amongst the mediocre shit that passes for TV sometimes, nothing more nothing less and the same for any good show. It's not complicated, nor is it a conspiracy of finance and the secret Jews who run all TV. It's just what it is.

I liked House for all of the series I saw, simply because it was shown on free channels I could watch way after the fact of American bullshit, ie counting it as just about something and nothing no one gives a hefty flying fuck about: we are milking your soul out and you will pay mortal.

Watch TV and enjoy. You people worry too much about money. If it means that much to you, then watch it when it's free. You can wait for 5 minutes I presume, in your life? Sheez, cry me o' river.

Bit of a rant I apologise but...

In America, supercilious pragmatism has been a dominating air for a long time, so if anything House is more a product of it than the cause. That kind of "agenda" is pretty much par for the course.

With all due respect it's a television show, not the next best thing in philosophy to explain the whole human condition in a medium.

If it's on TV it's there to serve an agenda. That is a fact.

I'm describing te agenda. If you don't think there is anymore to the show than the surface level that is wrong. Case closed.

The obvious agenda is to gain viewers to gain ratings to gain advertising revenue. If you think there is a hidden agenda then what is it? I say it is all out in the open. That being the nihilistic, atheistic philosophy of Dr. House. How was this derived not to be entertaining, but to be of a nature to indoctrinate society?

QFT.

A... men. En, let me put this simply, ter, and simpler still tain, ment. That's entertainment. How does this whole thing become a mine field of the Illuminati? Sometimes I think people question things too much, expect too much out of TV and claim foul when it doesn't live up to their expectations of perfection. TV is and always has been about money. Get over it.

/rant

"Are you not entertained!"

Some Spaniard who killed too fast.

[Gobbo]

The hidden agenda is not assumed from some inherent characteristic of the show itself, it is assumed from a wider picture of which the show is a piece.

Explain how the authors of the show have a desire to promote an agenda of indoctrination as opposed to making money and providing an entertaining show.

Lol. How bout you explain how those two things are
Mutually exclusive?

[Gobbo]

Listen, guys, just let me talk to myself. This is less about me caring what you think and more about me not giving a shit.

The agenda is clear as day to some of us. I like to talk about this stuff so I'm going to.