Sex outside of marriage?

Deeper how?

How? It’s hard to describe more like a feeling, intimacy but with a genuine affection and care as well. Feeling good being with the one you love simply because they are there. Like an embrace.

No offense, but this sounds like a girls description of what they wanna feel, in love. You can get all that from a friend though, no?

In part, true romance incorporates friendship as well. Shit maybe “the girl” is right ever thought about that?

The girl is rarely right about much, but besides that commentary, what do you mean by “right”? I just think we’re different in the way of thinking about it in general of course. In general guys wanna fuck, and girls want a guy who will stick around after and so they associate these girl feelings with girl wants like all that you mentioned prior. Most guys just wanna fuck and get out whether they admit to it or not

Stoic, I think you should defend against the distinction being made here between friendly (caring) feelings and romantic (sexual) ones.

Wanna hear my theory? No? Well, I’ll tell it anyway:

Men have the reputation for being promiscuous while women have the reputation for being monogomous. Our evolutionary rolls are typically brought in to explain this. It is said that men want to spread their seed and so they want to fuck as many women as they can, while women want a committed exclusive relationship because they need the father of their offspring to stick around and help with the child rearing and defend the family against enemies/predators.

While I agree with this for the most part, I think another look at these evolutionary rolls reveals that women should be just as promiscuous as men. Why would women need to be monogomous for their mate to stick around and help with child rearing and defending the family? What they would actually need is for the man himself to be monogomous. If the man buggers off and starts fucking other women, then they’re in trouble. But if she can get him to settle down and commit to the family, and only this one family, she has a better chance of nurturing her offspring towards success. Meanwhile, it makes no difference to her if her second or third or fourth child comes from a different mate. Hell, if she can get the whole lot of them to be committed to her and their respective offspring, then she’ll amass a whole army of strong capable men to protect and provide for her and her children.

But of course, she can’t convince these men to be monogomous unless she herself acts according to her own prescription. Otherwise, she’s just a hypocrit. And so, I believe that women end up earning the reputation as the monogomous ones only because they in fact do try to be monogomous in an attempt to quell their conscience, a conscience which urges them to preach the morality of monogomy to their mates.

QFT.

Society has a powerful influence on us.

That said I don’t think fornication is wrong, but I do think if you’re shagging your best friends girl it’s quite immoral.

I think I should too.

I Agree with all you’ve said here

Immoral? no, just plain fun id imagine :wink:

I think you can have it both ways. Like some girls I’m friends with. Some of the fatter and uglier girls I went to college with for instance. Smart, funny, pleasant in conversation, sometimes even bordering on intellectually stimulating. So I get to enjoy what it’s like to be best friends w/ not just one woman, but several. I get all that good stuff.

But then when I’m ready for the poontang, I’m looking for something from the mid 80s, under 5’7, under 140lbs with good shiny hair, smooth skin, and firmness all over except the parts that are supposed to be squishy. She should also have some stamina, and the confidence with her body to act like an outright freak, without having to sacrifice her self esteem.

Also, at the end of the day, if you can keep a couple strung along for conversations, and a couple of hot ones for having sex with, then you literaly get to live in a world of estrogen without any real obligation to any of them.

Why can’t one buy people beers over the net?

Because there’s no justice in the world.

If people aren’t looking for romance that’s up to their own discretion.

That doesn’t mean one should confuse romance with indulging in your libido.

People can choose to simply have those they are friends with and people they have sex with , but they shouldn’t dismiss romance as just a colorful world for trying to find sex partners.

So for there to be true romance, my libido cannot be satisfied?

Can libido be satisfied? I’d say it can only be temporarly abated. Until it ceases with old age (though viagra and other drugs interfere with that process).

But of course, people can have very good sex with those they love, all I said is that sex isn’t the only thing it entails.

Until he finds out, then in a fit of jealous rage, shoots both you and his girlfriend mid coitus and then burns your corpses and makes bread out of the ashes, with jam and butter obviously. Think on. :wink:

Friends with girls? Ha! I think Smears has it right minus the girls that are just friends thing. Let’s be honest Smears those girls that are your friends are back up fucks in case of a dry spell. Either that or those ugly girls/fat really are brilliant enough conversationalists to keep your attention so much so that you prefer them over dudes intellect. Let’s end the whole girls and guys can just be friends horseshit right here and now. YEs girls and guys say they are friends with someone of the opp sex, but what do they really mean? A guy who has a friend who is a girl either wants to fuck her, doesn’t want to fuck her and wants his emotional needs met (gay), is gay, she is a brilliant conversationalist/better intellect than his guy friends(if he has any). From the girls point of view…who the fuck knows girls, chime in. My best guess is that they are in a way back up fucks as well as one option, or maybe some sort of validation of her social worth? Also women with a guy friend far outweighs a guy having a girl as just a friend. Guys can get shit done and often provide leadership in life, while women sob and whine about shit.

ITs a risk worth taking! :evilfun: