how about dropping the word science…
let us take biology for example…
the study of the nature of life…
how is the study of the bio considered technology??
“how is the study of the bio considered technology??”
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Biology is not even a science, it is based on studying a completely arbitrary, make believe fluke of a contraption Matter decided to produce through a completely fake, artificial, make believe process of Natural Evolution (a fancy way to simply say the Ball of Matter that is the Earth decided to play with itself and created (nay invented, just because, because Matter was “bored”) Man Brains) with no necessity or goal in mind, no need for Matter to wake up and make believe that it is alive, it should have stayed in bed and sleep instead, where its “Natural” place in the universe is: in other words, Matter and Mass Energy should just stop fooling around with itself creating contraptions that become alive and make believe that they are real when they are total lies and fake and inventions with no value whatsoever (see what happens when you don’t believe in GOD anymore ?). Matter should be still, dead, should not be conscious or alive, should be blind, a void, empty, please give us back nothing, good old nothing forever, void, empty, please kill all possible life in the universe, stop this lie of Matter pretending to be alive, kill Nature…Thank You. You’re Welcome.
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The “science” of biology is 100 % based on Intentionalities of Use, of decisions and models and goals already assigned from the outset and only according to how it relates to pain/pleasure circuits, to how we can interact and manipulate matter accordingly, how we can devise new Information Relationships to achieve our satisfaction and such.
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Since Physics and Mathematics (and the corollary logic, language, thought processes) are all based on reductionism, on precise patterns revealed, on precise mathematical or logical relationships discovered (but really invented, in a subtle way), but especially mathematical and therefore perceived as being so precise, and correct and incredible, and since from there on all of the other sciences build on top of Physics and Math and such, scientists conclude that there is something magical and mysterious in the way mathematics “describes” our state of affairs: nothing further from the truth, Matter is simply just talking to itself and making things up and lying to itself and inventing and creating virtualities (mental models and Intentionalities of Use) and such, all based on implied mental models and thought models and processes and therefore language, logic and mathematics, and looking at itself in the mirror and saying to itself, look how “precise” I am and such. Obviously this is the case of the Observer also being the Observed, the Processor also being the Information Item upon which the Processor is operating upon and such.
But to finally reveal how unprecise science really is, try to predict the exact next earthquake (and intensity and shape and such), try to predict the exact shape of the next cloud (mathematically, in millimeter terms, just like quantum electrodynamics predicts mass and charge and such of elementary particles, when it is really just predicting the huge precision of precision instruments set up to express mathematical relationships from the outset, the precision is already given since the machines are designed precisely and such), try to predict the exact shape and form of an ocean wave or the mountain shape, etc.
But the reason why you don’t want to or “need to” predict the precision of those elements (try to predict the precise configuration of pebbles on a street and such) is because we don’t need to do anything with it, it is outside of our usage (our function space), as a function for us to use, we can’t do anything with that precision, hence it becomes irrelevant and not important but especially because we can’t build any machine around that precision, we can’t construct any technology or function around the precision of the exact shape of a cloud and such. So, as you see the Intentionality of Use creates the need for a Function and hence for a Machine, a Task, an Operation and hence the origin of the “Unreasonable Precision of Mathematics in Describing the World”.
As a side note, I have been banned once again from physicsforums and scienceforums websites, etc. This demonstrates how the only thing that counts is subjectivity, it is all personal now, no one cared to comment or talk about the contents of my posts, it is always more important to fight the guy, to make it clear that “you don’t like the poster”, it is always subjective and personal, I mean, since when did a post acquire a personality along with itself ? since when did a block of text become alive and something you must fight and insult and such ? Because our Man Brain is set up only and exclusively for fighting, for confrontations, for challenges (status challenges, who is the winner and loser), we are automatically a fighting machine a hating machine, a machine that wants to win, wants to fight and win, and the contents of the ideas or posts or whatever are just an excuse (a scenary) to finally really make the true nature of Man Brains come out: the contradiction, the fight, the challenge, A against B, end of story (and trying to convince as many other readers to agree with you to gain consensus, so the more people agree with you, the more your side wins and you are right and correct and your ideas or rules or whatever (political rules and desires) become the dominant ones and such, (but as you see everyone is all wrong because our “Mind is Always Wrong no Matter What” because all ideas and positions are based on an arbitrarily designed contraption of the Man Brain so they are all arbitrary positions, fluke designs, just aesthetical choices and such)).
So, in this sense, Ad Hominem Attacks are really the only thing that we are talking about and interested in, in the end, the only thing that counts, the content of messages are irrelevant, as I always suspected.
AN APE
i am not interested in personal attacks…
Sorry, there is one mistake:
“just like quantum electrodynamics predicts mass and charge”
Not true, mass and charge are given constants, but relationships between/created with the constants can be predicted precisely. But they are predicted using precision machines…what came first the machines producing and creating the measurements or the measurements independent of the machines ? do the measurements exist without any machines measuring them and expressing them ? is it a natural state of affairs that matter is set up intentionally and logically and mathematically, after many thought processes and investigations to express mathematical relationships or do scientists simply invent (but subtly) the mathematical relationships by setting up matter to express them ?
From:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Precision_tests_of_QED
“As of February 2007, the best measurement of the anomalous magnetic dipole moment of the electron was made by Gabrielse et al.[3] using a single electron caught in a Penning trap.”
i am interested in matter right now…i teach kids about this stuff…you are talking about a much higher level of discussion…what should i tell them about where matter comes from…maybe you can help…i still see this as theoretical although we use some of our understanding to make new things…
Matter comes from nowhere, it just IS, it is a fluke, a quirk, an error, a mistake within a reference system containing all possibilities. The laws of physics and how we appear and what is has no reason behind it, no deeper cause and effect final solution, aka the FINAL SYMBOL.
Tell your kids to draw new brains, tell them to invent and make up new brain designs on paper, wildly different Minds and Brains, let them have fun, let them go crazy, tell them to make up new wild symbols and schematics of new neural circuits, designs composed of block diagrams changing all of the mental functions and how they are connected between sense organs, memories, pain/pleasure circuits, emotions, etc. Make the new brains undergo a completely new experience of existence to the extreme. Amen.
Tell them to shove a Jet Engine in their Man Brain, to throw their Man Brain in the center of Stars, ask them how does the world appear for a new Man Brain composed of an Atomic Bomb exploding, how all of those temporary connections and neural circuits produce existence and consciousness and reality as in all is a possible new design of a Brain, all is a brain as in BRAINIUM.
Read all my 1,400 past posts carefully, let your kids read them all and tell them to stick wild chemicals, symbols and signals in the ball of meat that is their Man Brain.
And especially tell your kids to worship lies, to worship contradictions to strive to be always wrong, to make as little sense as possible, to invent all they want and hose the truth and logic and reality.
Thank You. You’re Welcome.
TOBOR THE 8 MAN
Also reference:
instantsingularity1.blogspot.com
instantsingularity.blogspot.com
instantsingularity3.blogspot.com
Ok, now it is ok, ok.
thank you nameta9…
You’re Welcome. Did you crack open all the skulls of the kids and shove Oldsmobile V8 engines in their brains so that they can experience and reach a new universe, with new laws of physics ? They enter a new dimension by changing their brain design, they enter a Twilight Zone, just like the old Twilight Zone movies of the 1960s…
Absolute vs Relative
The mistake is that of generalizing: everything must be A or not A, etc. Like when you say the only certainty that we have is that there is no certainty: well this is a logical mistake as it implies that you can see and assign and declare all things, entities, Information Relationships, etc., all chunks of possible existences and assigning them all a similar single property: that of being certain or not certain. Nothing further from the truth, you can simply say MANY things are uncertain, not ALL things are uncertain. So many things are relative and not all things are relative, but just as not all things are absolute, etc.
Or even better, if you assign, perceive, define, whatever A as being certain and absolute, then there is somewhere else a B that is reciprocally uncertain and not absolute, and they may also switch places: a kind of LAW OF CONSERVATION OF CERTAINTY AND DEGREE OF ABSOLUTES IN THE UNIVERSE: THEY MAY BE SOMEWHAT FIXED IN AMOUNT AND VALUES BUT MAY CHANGE ALOT AND SWITCH PLACES, AND RECIPROCALLY DEFINE EACH OTHER, JUST as saying if A is absolute then this assigns B as relative and such.
Only that according to a variable reference system you use, in one system A may be an absolute, the ground state upon which all measurements are being made and B a relative entity, and in another, B may be the ground state and A the relative entity, etc.
And this applies to all reasonings that create infinite recursions and contradictions, such as “this sentence is wrong”, “absolutes are based on relatives” and such, or some examples of past posts:
“And the mind was thinking, like a slow motion mental computer program that is slowly crashing, how can something be a unit and made up of separate parts at the same time ? how come a group of entities are considered one and are aggregated and in other instances are considered independent parts ? how does free will emerge from the laws of physics (or is it the other way around) ? how can anything be different from anything else (the principle of non contradiction, a totally insane and crazy principle if there ever was one), or is the question rather, how can anything be the same with anything else, even itself ? and other impossible problems, an infinite recursion of the mind applying itself to an infinite recursion of impossible Metaphysical problems.”
“So you end up having, in physics, special relativity, general relativity and Absolute Relativity as when the mind has been changed and hosed into something new. Total cultural relativism achieved, total relativism achieved, nothing at all is defined or stable, all relative, all a measurement compared to another but that reciprocally define each other, but only between themselves, no external absolute reality (but absolutes are based on relatives based on absolutes ? an infinite recursion).”
"but as usual, the infinite recursion of how you want to delimit each memory element (and how you want to delimit the Observer - Brain, a Brain can be light years large) can vary, etc. "
We just must be more approximate with our ideas, more wiggle room, just say some things are absolute, some things change, some things this or that and don’t ever (but even saying “ever” creates a rigidity that is too strict, just say don’t try to fix what is stable too rigidly and often and always be ready to change it all, who cares) try to fix which things are stable or not, keep it wide and random and with a lot of wiggle room…
APE
Take any configuration of Mass Energy and blow it up with a bomb. And then imagine the process going backwards in time, from all of the pieces it follows a path of intermediate configurations until it reaches how it was before blowing up. So this is the deal: we have a configuration of Mass Energy that can navigate a sequence of intermediate steps - combinations - slots - frames (just like a TV is a sequence of frames creating a smooth flowing picture, but you can imagine any sequence of frames creating any “picture” or non picture, any chaos or anything at all, etc.) and reach any other target configuration, but it can also be reached in one shot without any intermediate steps, just like changing channels on a TV (or actually, just like thought and language, just like reading, just like changing websites, just like looking at something different in a jiffy, etc.), and then you can imagine any sequence of intermediate steps of configurations of Mass Energy that lead to a target and the sequence can be of any length and each frame can be related or unrelated or anything, etc.
So you can imagine a box within which you can configure Mass Energy in one shot to have any configuration, so in one moment you configure the box to contain a skyscraper, in another instant the box contains a specific person with all of his memories in a specific environment, and the next moment the box can contain a star, and next an ocean and next a car, the next a city (with all of their people, etc.), the next planet earth, etc. and the size of the Mass Energy Configuration aka Matter Chunk can be any at all, and the sequence each distinct combination of Mass Energy navigates to go from source Chunk of Matter to Target Chunk of Matter can be any at all (no longer dependent on them navigating through the constraining forces of the Laws of Physics and the constraining choices of Free Will Observers manipulating and interacting with Matter and Mass Energy, etc.). And then you can imagine a mixed configuration (like a Chunk of Matter being a car mixed with a person mixed with a mountain mixed with a chunk of stellar plasma, etc.), any mix as wild and incredible as possible (just delimit any area you see and imagine it as a Chunk of Matter, and delimit any other area and imagine that as another Chunk of Matter and imagine all of the intermediate steps (any intermediate steps, there is no relationship necessity anymore between the frames since we are no longer dependent on the laws of physics) that can be assigned between the two chunks and a sequence of configurations that may be of any length) that can be assigned to any number of frames, all being different mixes, and the number of frames may be as large as you like and the time slot for each frame may be as short as you like, so you may have 10^100 distinct frames (distinct combinations of Mass Energy - Matter, distinct Chunks of Matter configured in a certain way) each cycling through completely in one second for example, etc.
So you can tune in (like tuning on to a TV channel) to a synchronized repetitive pattern representing the life of a person and his environment, that becomes a smooth flow of frames even though the next frames next to each single distinct frame of that person are completely different and may belong to another person or world or chunk of matter etc. Kind of like time division multiplexing, or what computers do when they are processing apparently parallel tasks but are actually just processing different instances of different tasks at precise intervals so they appear to be continuous and smooth, etc.
OF course the number of frames necessary to cycle through all of the possible chunks of matter and persons and all of the possible possibilities in our universe (say delimit the largest possible frame in the box to be 100 billion light years across and the smallest possible frame to be 10^-100 meters) is very large having multiple exponents like 10^10^10^100000 or something like that, etc.
Remember each frame is simply a given configuration of Mass Energy - Matter that is expressing something that may or may not be familiar to us, therefore each frame is made up of a volume of atoms (and photons, particles and velocities of each, etc.) configured accordingly to design the Chunk of Matter we desire, etc.
But you can then superimpose on the frames, and the sequence of frames and such, connections to any fake laws of physics, or simply regularities or simply rules you want, any constraints you want to impose
can then be connected to emotions, pain/pleasure, anything imaginable, and then imagine radically modified minds as being parts of the chunks of matter and belonging inside some frames and imagine the experiences that they could perceive, etc. And imagine the mixes not only being assigned in space, but also in time, consider a sequence of a trillion frames as One New Frame, a new Chunk of Experience, a new Chunk of Reality composed of Matter navigating a path in time through a sequence of configurations, a set of Chunks of Matter changing combinations in time assigned as one single combination and such. The possibilities are endless.
But a strange thing happens: all of this contraption is designed with how the rules of the world appear to our Man Brain, it is designed according to our logic, but our logic may be only very limited and only one possible “rules of the world”, there may be others and some Chunks of Matter may use and discover others and may create other new contraptions, etc.
AN APE MAN
Infinite Reductionism ?
Maybe consciousness and the Mind, Brain, the Man Brain is based on something completely different from what our Scientific Models suppose: maybe the levels of reductionism explaining “how things work” are really infinite, the Causes and Effects, the Information Relationship Interactions within Matter extend forever from molecule to atom to quark to a smaller entity and down forever, each one having their particular Laws of Physics, their particular equations and quirks, and going on down to smaller and smaller forever and never ending, no matter how far down you go. We can only go a few steps, say only up to the planck level of 10^-40 meters or such, but there is another level of new equations and effects and interactions, a complete universe of interactions, maybe even very complex, maybe even very specific, detailed , chaotic, random, etc. at 10^-50 mm and then at 10^-70 mm and so on to 10^-200 mm and then 10^-1000 mm and so on, just keep on hiking up the number in the exponent to get to a New Universe and Laws of Physics expressing themselves and such. But the point is, a simple consciousness event of the Mind may have its origin very far down, like at 10^-100 mm that influences and interacts in a very complex way with a phenomena occurring at 10^-50 mm, and that with one occurring at the planck level and then quark level and then atom level and then molecular level, etc.
So if Infinite Reductionism is the name of the game, then science will never win, is destined to fail no matter what.
Also, I was thinking of all of the Economic Gurus always saying what must be done to grow the economy, improve the economy or create more employment and such, and so on. Well, it seems to me that no matter what, the forces interacting between people and their economic goals and interests are essentially completely disjoint and independent of any and all theories and models and such. They will keep on doing anything they want according to their interests and environments and situations no matter what laws or theories or models or “More Innovation” or “More Education” or “More Competition” models want to impose. There is no “Normal” and “Good” and “Correct” Economy, they are all quirk - unstable systems that are mostly unpredictable and follow no laws or models at all. Just like the Man Brain driving the system…
Planet of The Apes ?
Time is infinite, the universe extends infinitely in space and time, therefore we are repeating a technological evolution that we already achieved in the past but slowly forgot, and each step of the evolution brings us to a more powerful technology enabling matter to do more with itself, to express itself and invent contraptions out of itself in ever more colorful ways and as the evolution goes forward it reaches a point where it starts to go backwards because it starts to forget some slight informational bits that it needs in order to continue to follow and navigate a given path, a given direction (but there are many directions, many parallel directions and such) so after a long time and after forgetting one bit every thousand years of information we reach the technology of 1950 so to say and start going forward again, or we may reach any mixed state of technological evolution some bits if 1950 some of 2300 some of 10 BC and so on, all possible combinations and mixes, all possible disjoint evolutions of technology given starting points with some parts more advanced than others and such.
Or we may be always going forward but repeating the same pattern over and over again, like a biological entity creating electronic entities that then create other kinds until a given entity recreates a biological entity forgetting that it came from a biological entity a long time ago and after many intermediate technological steps, etc.
Or Matter may reach the “Box of Matter” technology where it can assign the matter in the box any configuration imaginable, so as to be exactly equivalent to 1950 or 2300 or the center of a star, or a boat or a person, or an APE, or City or anything and the box can be of any size and can evolve in any way and you can assign it any configuration on the fly, just like a writing system just like setting a combination of bits in a computer and such. But since only the Reciprocal Information Relationships between various Chunks of Matter within the box create the essence of the experience matter undergoes within the box (and especially only the reciprocal informational relationships a Conscious Observer perceives counts, if matter doesn’t contain a self observing gadget within itself, which it may, nay, it does, we just assign any truth, it doesn’t matter, as matter won’t contradict itself, it just invents itself), then these Reciprocal Information Relationships can be mathematically equivalent to a much simpler and more efficiently Self Interacting Chunk of Matter (using much less matter then the full monty box of matter would imply, a bit like compressing information, using less information to create the exact same effect and such, therefore using less matter (maybe even just a few elementary particles, a few electrons and photons ?) to create the same simulated and virtual world (but all worlds are virtual and simulated)), it may be expressed within a much simpler organization of matter, maybe just with a few bits within a Microprocessor that can produce the entire experience of a person - society in 1950, nay, even a deeper and more real experience by just adding a few extra bits and such (the simulation and virtual reality is more real than the reality imitated, and can become deeper and realer to ever more degrees by simply adding bits, nay, our reality is just a lightly simulated reality, the real reality, the deeper, infinitely deeper realities can be assigned and achieved within informational relationship machines and such).
But it may also be that everything is a memory chunk, every tree, pebble, every road and stone, every planet, wave on the ocean, all you see, and especially all of the combinations of all you see, no matter how random and disjoint is the memory of a past event for a given Modified Man Brain Observer capable of decoding the memory: the entire universe is just one long memory of past events for a given Observer, or many chunks of the universe are memories to given observers, and the delimitations and combinations and bits and pieces of matter used as observers and memories can be any at all, are any at all, etc. But then this recursive memory can be the object of other memories and the memories can be the observers (recursive as in the sequence of symbols (or sequence of items such as that pebble and the tree in Michigan and the ocean wave in the pacific that occurred in 1230, etc. can be a memory chunk for a given Observer made up of a car tire and a TV and a transistor somewhere…) S1 is the memory of an event A that happened 10 years ago, and the memory of when you wrote S1 is another memory slot S2 and the memory of when you wrote S2 is the memory slot S3 and so on) and the observers themselves can be assigned as the memories and so on, combining and mixing all and making all the objects and arguments of anything else as a function and any function can be any argument and so on. The Memory becomes the Observer which becomes the Function (event, (or single signal ?) or event experienced in a wildly modified mind partition from BRAINIUM) which becomes the New Memory Chunk for a New Observer Composed of a new Combination of Matter delimited in a given Chunk, etc.
But if you can assign the Box of Matter to be anything at all, why do you need so much Memory ? Then just let the Box of Matter cycle through all of the combinations so the process, the repetitive patterns contain the memories within itself automatically and such…
THE APE HAS TALKED ONCE AGAIN
From:
kunstler.com/blog/2012/03/intermezzo.html
Also from:
instantsingularity1.blogspot.com
and
instantsingularity3.blogspot.com
AMEN.
BEWARE OF THE MARK OF THE BEAST
Impossible World
The probability of anything happening or being is ZERO. Because if you multiply the probability of event A happening, no matter how probable, times the next interacting event B and so on to the final resulting event F it will always be equal to zero as the limit of multiplying fractions tends towards ZERO as the events increase and the number of subsequent events increase: but the subsequent events happening in even a microsecond is very large since there are more than 10^30 time slots in which each event occurs in a microsecond etc. So for example the probability that a given car accident happens is given by the probability of the exact time a person exits his house multiplied the probability that the other car driver exits his house at an exact time multiplied the number of stop lights and the probability that each light lasts a given times and so on such that the reciprocal events add up (and their probabilities multiply up) and provoke the accident. Another example is the probability of you being born is the probability of your parents meeting in an exact time slot multiplied all the subsequent events happening such that you get born, etc. As a corollary, the probability of the First Living Cell occurring is also ZERO since it would be all the subsequent chemical events leading up to a working cell and such, so the Intelligent Design vs Science debate is useless and they are both saying the same thing, they are the same: Life occurred through a ONE SHOT MIRACLE EITHER WAY.
So given that the probability of anything at all is ZERO, nothing needs to be explained, all is explained, all just happened, is just a random quirk, so Science is defeated from the outset, there is no Science, there is no need to explain something that just happens, determinism is defeated structurally. The repetitive patterns Science discovers and Technology uses constantly are just dumb luck: they can disappear in a jiffy, structurally, they are a joke on us, they are teasing us and just waiting to contradict our expectations when you least expect it, The Laws of Physics Are Clowns.
But an interesting thing happens: each event connects present separate chunks of matter into an original single chunk of matter (or everything is connected to everything else since they were once all part of the Monolithic Metaphysical Particle provoking the Big Bang, or is it that each encounter of particles, each event is a Big Bang ?), everything is a circuit where various chunks of matter meet in various moments in the past, like a tree, all of the branches end up at a root. But there are also cross connections and anything can be connected to anything else, but separated by distance and speed, but most likely not separated at all in hidden parallel dimensions or completely disjoint in other hidden dimensions but most importantly related in anyway at all through completely new variables - abstract concepts and words - properties representing completely new Reciprocal Information Relationships between various chunks of matter, particles, random delimitations, combinations of chunks of matter and such. So the configuration of matter in the Box of Matter can also be seen as a given result of past cross connections, a network of events connecting various random chunks of matter making believe that they are repetitive patterns when they are just a picture, a random picture: and the connections can go in the opposite direction from a single item to many separate items and then connecting to others that come from other past single items and such, everything is connected to everything else (if even potentially) but also everything is disconnected from everything else and such…History is a picture, the events are solidified in a Crystal - Pure Monolithic Slab of Solid State Information Relationships: they are Frozen in place…
THE 8 HAS TALKED ONCE AGAIN
We Are Always Dead
Since we are an instantaneous combination of bits perceiving a given state, and we perceive a sequence of states and we only ever remember our life as we compare each state to the configurations we organized in our memory but as such life is only a new combination, a further configuration to put in memory, a further interaction, but since the possible combinations are at least more than 10^10000 obviously we will never visit most of the possible combinations and as such we will never live those configurations ( as those configurations are tied into our intentionalities and will powers to reach them, our targets and our comparison of an imagined or desired new combination as related to the old ones already present in memory ), live through those experiences and as such we are effectively dead as compared to most of the combinations, so we are always dead even because we are only and ever mostly a memory access machine remembering an imagined life, as such a comparison machine comparing a new configuration with a previous one and perceiving a relative experience and setting up new targets of which only a very few will ever be reached given the combinational explosion of possibilities the Man Brain with all of its neurons and circuits and events and signals can undergo and such (not to mention all the possible Modified and Newly Designed Man Brains living a much Deeper and Alive Life).
So we live only one picture at a time, why change the picture then ? how many pictures do we need ? how many lives do we need to live ? how many sequence of experiences are enough ? or are we simply an action reaction circuit (and other Man Brains are mirrors reciprocally perceiving, so how many mirrors can be put in the Box of Matter and how many possible delimitations can be assigned as mirrors and objects, subjects and objects, Observers and Invariants plug into the equations of the Observers?)? But we are mostly dead, nay, ALWAYS DEAD, we will never visit all of the combinations, and even if we did visit all of them what difference would it make as any combination of Mass Energy and any configuration of Matter set up in the Box of Matter are all equivalent, all dead compared to the previous or next configuration, just cycle through all of them, but still, we are always dead…
THE APE HAS TALKED ONCE AGAIN
UNTHINKABLE ?
Take the number of atoms in a centimeter of Matter, so maybe 10 ^ 9. How many combinations of matter can be performed by that number of atoms ? 10 different atoms gives you 10 ^ ( 10 ^ 9 ), a very high number and such. So Matter can combine in so many ways, it can express a combination of possibilities, so in that centimeter you may have many combinations that express a Mind, an Observer, a Lifeform, an Item undergoing some kind of Experience, a combination of a brain interacting and such. And the mindform may be diffused, may be under many interacting levels, there may be many will power effects reciprocally between entities within the Matter, many different universes and therefore laws of physics. All of those atoms combining to create a new universe as perceived and observed by a subset of the group of atoms acting as an observer, etc. So this is the real parallel universe effect, this is where the real parallel universes live, within the possible combinations of matter creating new brain designs therefore new laws of physics and new universes, new rules of engagements of a subset of matter with its surrounding matter or containing matter environment or with the environment contained within itself and such (or vice versa, it doesn’t matter, inside or outside, larger or smaller, any rules of engagments are possible) and each new combination of matter creates a new universe with new laws of physics and new kinds of Observers in the form of new Brain designs, new Interactor designs and such.
And in fact, there are many more possible laws of physics than particles of matter, the number of universes greatly exceeds the quantity of matter used to express the combinations corresponding to a new universe, and as such there are many more Information Relationships than quantity of Matter and Mass Energy itself, as if Matter is just a substrate, an excuse to express relationships that become alive and become Matter undergoing Experiences, etc.
But of course all of this is using our logic and view of the universe as if it were the absolute, the total containing view, as if our view is an absolute: but it is not, it is just one universe amongst many trillions of others, all equally true or false, all equally valid views, all views that have their own synchronized and internal coherence but only because they do not enter in contact with other views, other formats (worlds formatted according to another system of symbols and rules) that would render the view confused and no longer coherent. But these intermediate states exist also and such.
But it is difficult for us to accept that our laws of physics are essentially false, or just a make believe, arbitrary and valid just for our very distinct and specific and quirk design: but it is so, even though this discussion itself is using logic itself to justify and discover all of this, and logic itself is a quirk, but so then this brings us close to the edge, the edge of reality as discovered by logic.
So all of the possible Minds and Brainforms and Observers and Experiencing Machines within a Block of Matter, a Box of Matter cycling through all possible combinations of different atom types and interactions and forces, each creating a new universe with new laws of physics, and yet even this large scale abstract view of the Box of Matter is just a puny view of something much larger, as the new Minds inside that block of Matter have many more deeper and more powerful abstractions and formats and rules of engagements and such.
But Absolutes then do exist: our view of all is the absolute, even though we would like to have a more relative and detached view, we format all in our logic and worldview no matter what, the absolute to be true would have to be independent of any material configuration, would have to be enternal, would express itself and remain alive no matter what happens to the underlying physical machine expressing the mind: as if our mind would have to remain alive forever no matter what happens to its physical support, even if it explodes, our mind would remain intact and be independent of matter, that would be a real Absolute.
So absolutes don’t exist or do they ? As if you ask “Does God Exist ?” and you answer (the only true and correct answer) “I don’t Know”, that is the end of all debates, there is nothing else to say, it is forever an unknown: the same with modified Brains and Minds: that is the end of all debates and discussions it is forever an unknown…
Also check:
kunstler.com/blog/2012/04/unthinkable.html
and
Also
instantsingularity3.blogspot.it/
and
instantsingularity1.blogspot.it/
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From:
kunstler.com/blog/2012/04/unthinkable.html
Box of Grey Matter ?
So you have maybe 50 different types of Atoms, of chemical elements arranged in a Box of Matter maybe just one centimeter cube or maybe a million kilometers cube, etc. So how many different possible combinations can these atoms be in ? how many possible brain styles can be created, invented or designed, nay, can emerge from this box cycling through all of the combinations like a counter, like a binary counter counting up to 10 and going back to 0 again and cycling over and over again ? How can a Box of matter become a living Brainform, an observer of itself or subsets of itself and interact with subsets of itself creating an Experience, or some kind of Conscious Experience, or creating a lifeform evolving through specific pain/pleasure circuits and target circuits and such ? of course, all of these words are just very simple concepts which we understand, but the circuits affecting the Box of Grey Matter may be deeper, more elaborate, more complex and abstract than simply pain/pleasure, may be more contorted and colorful than simply logic guided by the Prison Guards of the Principles of Non Contradiction and Identity.
How does Matter undergo a phase change into becoming an Observer ? How many Matter to Brain converters are possible ? How many intermediate states can the Box of Matter be in that corresponds to a brain or many brains or diffused brains or many civilizations or many many other things, the crazier the better, the more far removed from anything we can imagine the better, diffused will power gadgets, diffused Observers, observers changing states and designs, unstable brain designs that cycle through many different styles, matter following many weird and unknown paths, brains becoming one and then becoming trillions of others and then becoming all different, and then Matter itself becoming something else and so many other abstractions, if you can imagine it, it is real and then the disconnection of the Information Relationships from matter expressing them, Information finally free from the prison of Matter, the Platonic existence of Existence and Laws finally achieved, Information that exists even when matter is detroyed as it has flown into a pure abstract non destructable world, and the Box of Matter can express so many different combinations and each ever more remote, a denotation, an abstraction and such.
The Box of Gray Matter becomes a fluid (or Gas ? or Plasma ? or Dense Neutronium ?), a liquid with trillions of new Brain designs, the BRAINIUM State of Matter, or becomes a Solid State of crystallized Brainforms, or civilizations, or each point in the Solid State Form of BRAINIUM is a civilization, or a planet, or an emotion gadget, or an emotion detached from a being, or a pure pleasure entity not belonging to any “body”, or just belonging to an Electron and such, etc. Or the center of Stars are plasmas but are hiding trillions of new Brain Designs and Styles, modified Minds, Instant Singularity Minds with wildly different circuits and associations and functionings living in wildly different Universes with New Laws of Physics (since a new Observer Design implies a new Universe and Physics Design), much more extended, very large landscapes and views, High Mountain types, incredible scenary, incredible new worlds and life, etc.
Stick the Cadillac in your Brain, enter a new Universe with new Laws of Physics, you can do it Man, just do it, first gear, it’s all right, second gear, hold on tight, third gear, you’re out of sight…
Quo Vadis, Baby ?
What can Happen in the Box of Matter ?
So the Box of Grey Matter, the Box of Mindform / Brainform Material, the Box of Atoms and Electrons and Such that is maybe 1 centimeter cubed or 1 million kilometers cubed has Matter executing paths, predetermined paths through the Iron Clad Fist of the Laws of Physics, but then Virtual Unlimited Paths through the Simulation of Reality Styles and Designs on behalf of part of the Brains and Brainforms and Mindforms emerging from the Box of Matter (or completely new paths that combinations of Atoms and Forces and Electrons and Photons produce and Execute, totally unknown to us and our Puny Logic and such or completely new paths according to the completely new laws of physics the trillions of new brain designs perceive and live within and such), evaporating and condensing through phase transitions within the Box of Grey Matter and such and such: and they produce Synchronized Matter, Self Coherent Synchronized Matter that can execute only some paths according to specific constraints of various types, either Physical (the Laws of Physics), Pain/pleasure type circuits or anything else, as in creativity expressed within limiting boundaries otherwise it wouldn’t know how to express itself if unlimited in any way and such.
And so many Cross Synchronized Matter Chunks and Experiences, Mixed Universes and Lifestyles, completely new Solid State Universes with completely new and incredible - fantastic and colorful laws of physics and experience styles and types and lives, and hyperlives, hyperreality, Metaphysics achieved to the upmost, a Box of matter expressing combinations we never could possibly imagine and such…
THE TOBOR HAS SPOKEN ONCE AGAIN