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Postby James L Walker » Thu Mar 08, 2012 10:56 pm

With the subdueing or elimination of ethnicity, culture, and nationalism in the west what were left with is the modern nation reduced to corporatocracy in which nations now take up the role as competing corporations reducing that of citizens to their enslaved employees only.

By doing this it eliminates any resistance that might be in the way of someday reaching the expected goal of global corporate hegemony.
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Re: Modern Nations As Corporate Entities

Postby Calrid » Thu Mar 08, 2012 10:58 pm

James L Walker wrote:With the subdueing or elimination of ethnicity, culture, and nationalism in the west what were left with is the modern nation reduced to corporatocracy in which nations now take up the role as competing corporations reducing that of citizens to their employees.


Er how so? The OP doesn't go into why you think that is the case?
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Re: Modern Nations As Corporate Entities

Postby James L Walker » Thu Mar 08, 2012 11:03 pm

Without ethnicity, culture, nationalism, and a sovereign identity your left only with competing economical or market distinctions.

The government then comes into a nation and molds all of that which is a nation into a business model or monopolization depending on your interpretation where it remains the head reducing the citizenry to employees.
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"Propaganda of the deed." - Bonnot Gang 1912

"My father rode a camel. I drive a car. My son flies a jet airplane. My son's son will ride a camel just like my father before him."- Arab Peak Oil Proverb

"Civilization is nothing more than a globalized overly worshipped farm where the owners violently and oppressively domesticate other human beings like enslaved cattle enforcing the direction of their labors for their own individual profit."- Random Anarcho Primitivist
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Re: Modern Nations As Corporate Entities

Postby Calrid » Thu Mar 08, 2012 11:08 pm

James L Walker wrote:Without ethnicity, culture, nationalism, and a sovereign identity your left only with competing economical or market distinctions.

The government than comes into a nation and molds all of that which is a nation into a business model where it remains the head reducing the citizenry to employees.


Er no I disagree, with a more socialist model and lest capitalistic bent this is not the case, you may be talking about the US here, and not focusing on governments in general in the West. Sure the US has a bad ideology when it comes to corporations, but the US as it would readily agree is not part of Earth and hasn't been for some time. ;)
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Re: Modern Nations As Corporate Entities

Postby James L Walker » Thu Mar 08, 2012 11:11 pm

Calrid wrote:
James L Walker wrote:Without ethnicity, culture, nationalism, and a sovereign identity your left only with competing economical or market distinctions.

The government than comes into a nation and molds all of that which is a nation into a business model where it remains the head reducing the citizenry to employees.


Er no I disagree, with a more socialist model and lest capitalistic bent this is not the case, you may be talking about the US here, and not focusing on governments in general in the West. Sure the US has a bad ideology when it comes to corporations, but the US as it would readily agree is not part of Earth and hasn't been for some time. ;)


Socialism is no better than capitalism. It is just as abusive leading to similar if not the same conditions.

As a Amerikan I can proudly say that were a nation of assholes.
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Re: Modern Nations As Corporate Entities

Postby Calrid » Thu Mar 08, 2012 11:16 pm

James L Walker wrote:
Calrid wrote:
James L Walker wrote:Without ethnicity, culture, nationalism, and a sovereign identity your left only with competing economical or market distinctions.

The government than comes into a nation and molds all of that which is a nation into a business model where it remains the head reducing the citizenry to employees.


Er no I disagree, with a more socialist model and lest capitalistic bent this is not the case, you may be talking about the US here, and not focusing on governments in general in the West. Sure the US has a bad ideology when it comes to corporations, but the US as it would readily agree is not part of Earth and hasn't been for some time. ;)


Socialism is no better than capitalism. It is just as abusive leading to similar if not the same conditions.

As a Amerikan I can proudly say that were a nation of assholes.


Well socialism in moderation seems to work, it's all about not going too far to the left or right, economic left (collectivism and all that guff) and that dirty capitalism. I think the perfect government if there is one, would be one with several parties that represent all the ideologies to some extent or another, and one where no one ideology claims power for any real time. Sadly though people tend to remain stuck in their voting pattern for life all too often because they are morons.
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Re: Modern Nations As Corporate Entities

Postby James L Walker » Thu Mar 08, 2012 11:19 pm

One more thing. Global corporate hegemony is the first stage of trying to achieve one world government where instead of there being multiple competing national corporate entities you get instead one super corporatocracy entity.

Creating a world bank and a variety of other global financial centralizations of economical power is the beginning of that direction.
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"Propaganda of the deed." - Bonnot Gang 1912

"My father rode a camel. I drive a car. My son flies a jet airplane. My son's son will ride a camel just like my father before him."- Arab Peak Oil Proverb

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Re: Modern Nations As Corporate Entities

Postby James L Walker » Thu Mar 08, 2012 11:24 pm

Calrid just give up on all government models altogether. It is more logical in the end.
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Re: Modern Nations As Corporate Entities

Postby Stoic Guardian » Fri Mar 09, 2012 12:01 am

Me: "Shut up! SHUT UP!"

Joker: "Help Help I'm being repressed! Now we see the violence inherent in the system..."
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Re: Modern Nations As Corporate Entities

Postby FilmSnob » Fri Mar 09, 2012 12:11 am

Stoic, you have turned your ideological jurney into a warpath.

It is the internet, you cannot win (or lose).
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Re: Modern Nations As Corporate Entities

Postby Calrid » Fri Mar 09, 2012 12:14 am

Pezer wrote:Stoic, you have turned your ideological jurney into a warpath.

It is the internet, you cannot win (or lose).


Oh give him a break, I'm pretty sure that peasant won a moral argument in that film. Hence it's not the best example in the world. :)

Strange women lying in ponds, distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power, derives from a mandate from the masses!


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Re: Modern Nations As Corporate Entities

Postby Stoic Guardian » Fri Mar 09, 2012 12:30 am

Pezer wrote:Stoic, you have turned your ideological jurney into a warpath.

It is the internet, you cannot win (or lose).


As Calrid pointed out it was a joke, at first this latest in a long line of incessant single minded threads "frustrated" me. But upon thinking of how wasted my frustrations would be (as well as any attempt to counter his views) I decided to just poke fun. And play around with the facade of a Tyrant that he has mentally dressed me in.

Ironically the word originates from descriptions oligarchs had given Dictators (who in fact benefitted the comon man) and the word only brought on a negative connotation because usually it was only the upper class that knew how to write.
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Re: Modern Nations As Corporate Entities

Postby James L Walker » Fri Mar 09, 2012 12:32 am

Stoic Guardian wrote:Me: "Shut up! SHUT UP!"

Joker: "Help Help I'm being repressed! Now we see the violence inherent in the system..."


I do not need anybody's help. Crying out for help is something only government sheeple supporters do.

If I feel repressed I will act out with a gun.
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"Propaganda of the deed." - Bonnot Gang 1912

"My father rode a camel. I drive a car. My son flies a jet airplane. My son's son will ride a camel just like my father before him."- Arab Peak Oil Proverb

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Re: Modern Nations As Corporate Entities

Postby Stoic Guardian » Fri Mar 09, 2012 12:37 am

Eehhh... So do I. But I'm not gonna shoot someone just because they annoy me.

And powerful states keep there militaries sharp by putting down "rebellions" your attitudes nothin new. A big Ego in no match for a reasonable mind.
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Re: Modern Nations As Corporate Entities

Postby Stoic Guardian » Fri Mar 09, 2012 12:40 am

Thanks for posting the video Calrid.
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Re: Modern Nations As Corporate Entities

Postby Calrid » Fri Mar 09, 2012 12:43 am

Stoic Guardian wrote:Thanks for posting the video Calrid.


You're welcome, not everyone gets when you are making a joke. I still don't think James has watched it... Well that's his choice I wouldn't want to oppress him just because some watery tart lobbed a scimitar at me. :)
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Re: Modern Nations As Corporate Entities

Postby FilmSnob » Fri Mar 09, 2012 12:58 am

You are just as single minded, with your inmutable parameters of the specific brand of statism "we need."
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Postby FilmSnob » Fri Mar 09, 2012 1:00 am

Btw, that movie is the shiznit. Very good, and largely a parody of another very good film: Excalibur
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Re: Modern Nations As Corporate Entities

Postby Stoic Guardian » Fri Mar 09, 2012 1:03 am

I have an Ideology certainly , but it's not immutable.
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Re: Modern Nations As Corporate Entities

Postby James L Walker » Fri Mar 09, 2012 1:53 am

Calrid wrote:
Stoic Guardian wrote:Thanks for posting the video Calrid.


You're welcome, not everyone gets when you are making a joke. I still don't think James has watched it... Well that's his choice I wouldn't want to oppress him just because some watery tart lobbed a scimitar at me. :)

Classic Monty Python!
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Re: Modern Nations As Corporate Entities

Postby Calrid » Fri Mar 09, 2012 1:55 am

Pezer wrote:Btw, that movie is the shiznit. Very good, and largely a parody of another very good film: Excalibur


I hate to be pedantic, as I've used up my pedant quota for the month, but Exaclibur was first shown in 1981, where MPatHG was first performed in 1975 to an audience of two witches and a carrot, it later spread to more holy countries after Tiger coffee was deemed not to to give you cancer after all. And of course after China was returned to the British after suing for peace, and a peace that promised not to eat Norwegian blues for their medicinal properties on Friday.

I'll get my coat...
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Re: Modern Nations As Corporate Entities

Postby James L Walker » Fri Mar 09, 2012 1:58 am

Stoic Guardian wrote:Eehhh... So do I. But I'm not gonna shoot someone just because they annoy me.

And powerful states keep there militaries sharp by putting down "rebellions" your attitudes nothin new. A big Ego in no match for a reasonable mind.


Military powers can be challenged. Look at what some Afghani villagers can do.
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"Propaganda of the deed." - Bonnot Gang 1912

"My father rode a camel. I drive a car. My son flies a jet airplane. My son's son will ride a camel just like my father before him."- Arab Peak Oil Proverb

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Re: Modern Nations As Corporate Entities

Postby Duality » Fri Mar 09, 2012 2:31 am

May the forces of evil never consolidate. O:)


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Re: Modern Nations As Corporate Entities

Postby Moreno » Fri Mar 09, 2012 3:27 am

James L Walker wrote:With the subdueing or elimination of ethnicity, culture, and nationalism in the west what were left with is the modern nation reduced to corporatocracy in which nations now take up the role as competing corporations reducing that of citizens to their enslaved employees only.

By doing this it eliminates any resistance that might be in the way of someday reaching the expected goal of global corporate hegemony.

Go back in time a few hundred years in Europe and you have nations with different cultures and to some degree ethinicities in Europe. Big Whoop. Guess what, those countries were very much like corporations with royal families as CEOs and they treated their people like shit. Ethnic segregration and identity is no protection against utter fascism, because, guess what, those in charge never gave a shit about most of the people in their ethnicity. They are a culture unto themselves.

I do mourn the globalization of American culture, every damn MCdonalds or mall that glides into what was once a unique culture. I don't mourn nations, except to the degree that they stood in the way of their being one nation. They were lesser evils, sometimes.
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Re: Modern Nations As Corporate Entities

Postby FilmSnob » Fri Mar 09, 2012 3:54 am

Calrid wrote:
Pezer wrote:Btw, that movie is the shiznit. Very good, and largely a parody of another very good film: Excalibur


I hate to be pedantic, as I've used up my pedant quota for the month, but Exaclibur was first shown in 1981, where MPatHG was first performed in 1975 to an audience of two witches and a carrot, it later spread to more holy countries after Tiger coffee was deemed not to to give you cancer after all. And of course after China was returned to the British after suing for peace, and a peace that promised not to eat Norwegian blues for their medicinal properties on Friday.

I'll get my coat...


Oh man...

Do you know how long it's gonna take to recover my own pedantry from this correction?
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