The Illusion Of "Free" Society

[James L Walker]

How much longer can western civilization upkeep the bullshit illusions of "free" society?

It is clear that "free" society has never existed and that the one we currently live in is anything but the sort.

It is clear that liberals, communists, and socialists everywhere have failed.

Not even the fascist aristocratic conservatives can even upkeep the facade or farce of a "free" society anymore.

There will come a time in the near future where modern politics will cross a crucible of damnation when the bullshit facade of a "free" society can no longer continue.

[Moreno]

How much longer can western civilization upkeep the bullshit illusions of "free" society?
.

So....
what would you say are the illusions of freedom? (what are the specific actions, choices, behaviors that people think are free AND lead them to think they are free but are really not?)
and
what is not being allowed?

[James L Walker]

How much longer can western civilization upkeep the bullshit illusions of "free" society?
.

So....
what would you say are the illusions of freedom? (what are the specific actions, choicesbehaviorismsm that people think are free AND lead them to think they are free but are really not?)
and
what is not being allowed?

Go Wikipedia the phrase "free" society and do a comparison to see everything that we are not.

Within that context you will then might understand why I have created this thread.

[James S Saint]

I just discovered Obama's most recent reaction to the proof that he actually did fake his birth certificate. As of March 16, 2012 he signed into law the replacement of the Congress and the Constitution with his appointed government.

National Defense Resource Preparedness Act
For a verbal description; Analysis of Peacetime Marshal Law

It is now law that ALL industries, services, and resources (including human resources) answer to the President. The USA just became a Judeo-Nazi State (Fabien Socialism). It actually states that even in peacetime, his appointed department secretaries have presidential authority to conscribe without payment anyone deemed of valuable service to the national defense. All forms of energy, all materials, all foods, all services, and all moneies are now the property of the President.

It is a very long document wherein every aspect of life has been declared the property of the President's new government.

The coup d'tat has just been sprung.
And the free Internet is about to go "bye-bye".

..and of course, as usual, the Lamestream media has said nothing as it is their job to keep you preoccupied with the more serious events such as the death of Whitney Houston.

[statiktech]

How much longer can western civilization upkeep the bullshit illusions of "free" society?

It is clear that "free" society has never existed and that the one we currently live in is anything but the sort.

If it clearly isn't the case, it isn't much of an illusion...

Also, "free society" is theoretical - it is an ideal. Maybe that's why it seems illusory. If anything, it is probably more shared delusion than anything. Who do you think propagates these ideas?

[FilmSnob]

Who do you think propagates these ideas?

Groups that are able to effectively put pressure on governments.

[James L Walker]

I just discovered Obama's most recent reaction to the proof that he actually did fake his birth certificate. As of March 16, 2012 he signed into law the replacement of the Congress and the Constitution with his appointed government.

National Defense Resource Preparedness Act
For a verbal description; Analysis of Peacetime Marshal Law

It is now law that ALL industries, services, and resources (including human resources) answer to the President. The USA just became a Judeo-Nazi State (Fabien Socialism). It actually states that even in peacetime, his appointed department secretaries have presidential authority to conscribe without payment anyone deemed of valuable service to the national defense. All forms of energy, all materials, all foods, all services, and all moneies are now the property of the President.

It is a very long document wherein every aspect of life has been declared the property of the President's new government.

The coup d'tat has just been sprung.
And the free Internet is about to go "bye-bye".

..and of course, as usual, the Lamestream media has said nothing as it is their job to keep you preoccupied with the more serious events such as the death of Whitney Houston.

That is just one recent example for this thread but a fairly accurate contingent also.

[James L Walker]

How much longer can western civilization upkeep the bullshit illusions of "free" society?

It is clear that "free" society has never existed and that the one we currently live in is anything but the sort.

If it clearly isn't the case, it isn't much of an illusion...

Also, "free society" is theoretical - it is an ideal. Maybe that's why it seems illusory. If anything, it is probably more shared delusion than anything. Who do you think propagates these ideas?

I think those in power like to propagate such ideas because nothing is more easier than controlling slaves who think they are free.

In order to control the large majority of them from being unruly it becomes necessary to convince them that they are "free" where you who is in power merely state very manipulatively that you exist to look out for their best interests.

Every fleeced sheep needs a shepherd.

Naturally large amounts of bullshitting is necessary for the desired effects.

[James L Walker]

Who do you think propagates these ideas?

Groups that are able to effectively put pressure on governments.

Or controls them.....

[James L Walker]

At any rate for the clarity of this thread we can see societies all across the globe are anything but based upon individual "freedom".

[statiktech]

Groups that are able to effectively put pressure on governments.

Like who? Are we talking a numbers game, or an authority game?

[James S Saint]

Groups that are able to effectively put pressure on governments.

Like who? Are we talking a numbers game, or an authority game?

The G20.

[James L Walker]

Groups that are able to effectively put pressure on governments.

Like who? Are we talking a numbers game, or an authority game?

Authority.

[FilmSnob]

Groups that are able to effectively put pressure on governments.

Like who? Are we talking a numbers game, or an authority game?

Both, plus others, some of which we do and some of which we don't know about.

[statiktech]

It's odd to me that neither of you even considered the people themselves as an answer.

Blind pupils. - As long as a man knows very well the strength and weaknesses of his teaching, his art, his religion, its power is still slight. The pupil and apostle who, blinded by the authority of the master and by the piety he feels toward him, pays no attention to the weaknesses of a teaching, a religion, and soon usually has for that reason more power than the master. The influence of a man has never yet grown great without his blind pupils. To help a perception to achieve victory often means merely to unite it with stupidity so intimately that the weight of the latter also enforces the victory of the former.

[FilmSnob]

It's odd to me that neither of you even considered the people themselves as an answer.

Blind pupils. - As long as a man knows very well the strength and weaknesses of his teaching, his art, his religion, its power is still slight. The pupil and apostle who, blinded by the authority of the master and by the piety he feels toward him, pays no attention to the weaknesses of a teaching, a religion, and soon usually has for that reason more power than the master. The influence of a man has never yet grown great without his blind pupils. To help a perception to achieve victory often means merely to unite it with stupidity so intimately that the weight of the latter also enforces the victory of the former.

What?

I acknowledge my stupidity as part of my power.

[FilmSnob]

It's odd to me that neither of you even considered the people themselves as an answer.

Blind pupils. - As long as a man knows very well the strength and weaknesses of his teaching, his art, his religion, its power is still slight. The pupil and apostle who, blinded by the authority of the master and by the piety he feels toward him, pays no attention to the weaknesses of a teaching, a religion, and soon usually has for that reason more power than the master. The influence of a man has never yet grown great without his blind pupils. To help a perception to achieve victory often means merely to unite it with stupidity so intimately that the weight of the latter also enforces the victory of the former.

What?

I acknowledge my stupidity as part of my power.

In fact, Nietzsche himself was a stupid blind pupil of Schopenhauer. He didn't acknowledge the weaknesses of thinking of life as will and representation, and thus made Shopenhauer's work more powerful than he himself ever dreamed.

[James L Walker]

It's odd to me that neither of you even considered the people themselves as an answer.

Blind pupils. - As long as a man knows very well the strength and weaknesses of his teaching, his art, his religion, its power is still slight. The pupil and apostle who, blinded by the authority of the master and by the piety he feels toward him, pays no attention to the weaknesses of a teaching, a religion, and soon usually has for that reason more power than the master. The influence of a man has never yet grown great without his blind pupils. To help a perception to achieve victory often means merely to unite it with stupidity so intimately that the weight of the latter also enforces the victory of the former.

Nietzsche is a great guide but I do not look to him for all my questions.

Sometimes one has to rely on their own insights.

[James L Walker]

Lately I have spoken about the fallacy of alternative energies.

What I do know is that when energy resources are depleted around the globe the fictional bullshit facade of a "free" society believed by many will not be able to be maintained much longer as the rise of global totalitarianism is guaranteed.

This will become more apparent in the coming years as two thirds of the global population will definitely be killed off.

[statiktech]

...I think you missed my point. Common people propagate the bullshit because we are too quick to accept it, and too complacent to argue. The bullshit doesn't have to be forced down your throat if you can just be convinced, somehow, that you like the taste. Stupidity is powerful indeed, but even more-so as utility, rather than simple naivety.

In fact, Nietzsche himself was a stupid blind pupil of Schopenhauer. He didn't acknowledge the weaknesses of thinking of life as will and representation

This is presumptuous and just not true. Have you read any of N's criticisms of Schopenhauer?

[FilmSnob]

...I think you missed my point. Common people propagate the bullshit because we are too quick to accept it, and too complacent to argue. The bullshit doesn't have to be forced down your throat if you can just be convinced, somehow, that you like the taste. Stupidity is powerful indeed, but even more-so as utility, rather than simple naivety.

In fact, Nietzsche himself was a stupid blind pupil of Schopenhauer. He didn't acknowledge the weaknesses of thinking of life as will and representation

This is presumptuous and just not true. Have you read any of N's criticisms of Schopenhauer?

You have some balls, calling a nuanced criticism of Nietzsche true or untrue. I think you used that quote without really understanding what it means.

[statiktech]

You have some balls, calling a nuanced criticism of Nietzsche true or untrue.

Only this part--

He didn't acknowledge the weaknesses of thinking of life as will and representation

I think you used that quote without really understanding what it means.

And I think that's fantastic.