Benefits of Government

[Stoic Guardian]

How'd I miss this thread?

I'll make a post later.

[James L Walker]

To Ugly Fucking People:

To me all government supporters are dishonest. Nothing contrary has shown me otherwise.

What do you do for a living? What family background do you have?

What is your educational background?

I can assure you that you are not just employed simply because of dumb luck.

[uglypeoplefucking]

Joker:

i work for $14 dollars an hour, no benefits, in a very expensive part of the country.

without posting my life story, let's just say my family background and education have little to do with my current job, which, btw, literally has me handling animal feces on a daily basis. i do not live a glamorous life.

if you know me to be dishonest, then say why - otherwise you're just talking shit.

[James L Walker]

Joker:

i work for $14 dollars an hour, no benefits, in a very expensive part of the country.

without posting my life story, let's just say my family background and education have little to do with my current job, which, btw, literally has me handling animal feces on a daily basis. i do not live a glamorous life.

if you know me to be dishonest, then say why - otherwise you're just talking shit.

Then, why do you support government?

Convince me of the benefits of having government.

From my experience only those who have the most to gain from government support it.

Either that or those who have drank too much from the government punch bowl that become a delusional follower of it even when they have nothing to gain from it.

[statiktech]

Then, why do you support government?

Convince me of the benefits of having government.

The OP included a link that is pretty straight forward. Try reading it - that may provide you some insight.

Your request is in bad faith anyway. You clearly don't want to be convinced of anything. All you want is fodder for more baseless assertions and belly-aching.

[James L Walker]

Then, why do you support government?

Convince me of the benefits of having government.

The OP included a link that is pretty straight forward. Try reading it - that may provide you some insight.

Your request is in bad faith anyway. You clearly don't want to be convinced of anything. All you want is fodder for more baseless assertions and belly-aching.

All government is about consolidating more power until the day in controls everything including thought itself.

All I am asking in opposition is evidence for the benefits of government.

I assume the OP is talking about everybody. It would make more sense to say government only benefits some people not everybody. It's more honest that way in description.

Belly aching? Kiss my ass. You and that high horse you supposedly ride upon can go running over a cliff.

[uglypeoplefucking]

Then, why do you support government?

Convince me of the benefits of having government.

we both know it would be a waste of my time to try and do that.

From my experience only those who have the most to gain from government support it.

i don't think most people want to live in a totally lawless society. some do, but most do not.

Either that or those who have drank too much from the government punch bowl that become a delusional follower of it even when they have nothing to gain from it.

there's more to it than just what one stands to gain as an individual. but yeah, i gain from the govt in the sense that govt creates the conditions in which i survive. the same is true for you of course.

yes, you have been unlucky. but that's fate at work, not the govt.

[James L Walker]

Then, why do you support government?

Convince me of the benefits of having government.

we both know it would be a waste of my time to try and do that.

From my experience only those who have the most to gain from government support it.

i don't think most people want to live in a totally lawless society. some do, but most do not.

Either that or those who have drank too much from the government punch bowl that become a delusional follower of it even when they have nothing to gain from it.

there's more to it than just what one stands to gain as an individual. but yeah, i gain from the govt in the sense that govt creates the conditions in which i survive. the same is true for you of course.

yes, you have been unlucky. but that's fate at work, not the govt.

Fate, huh? All people who trust, obey, and worship government get what they deserve in the end.

The end of the United States government and a couple of others will come to expire terribly by the end of 2012 anyways into 2013 where this discussion is meaningless anyways

You benefit from government and fuck all the rest, right?

I can't wait til the great purge begins.

A storm is coming. Know what side you are on when it comes.

[Stoic Guardian]

Fuck those who suffer in a lawless society right?

[uglypeoplefucking]

Fate, huh? All people who trust, obey, and worship government get what they deserve in the end.

The end of the United States government and a couple of others will come to expire terribly by the end of 2012 anyways into 2013 where this discussion is meaningless anyways

You benefit from government and fuck all the rest, right?

I can't wait til the great purge begins.

A storm is coming. Know what side you are on when it comes.

oh, the melodrama.

[James L Walker]

Fate, huh? All people who trust, obey, and worship government get what they deserve in the end.

The end of the United States government and a couple of others will come to expire terribly by the end of 2012 anyways into 2013 where this discussion is meaningless anyways

You benefit from government and fuck all the rest, right?

I can't wait til the great purge begins.

A storm is coming. Know what side you are on when it comes.

oh, the melodrama.

I wonder what you will be saying during the great financial derivative international market crash of 2012-13.

Drama? You haven't the slightest clue.

[James L Walker]

Fuck those who suffer in a lawless society right?

That's humanity, right?

Global apathy of everybody infighting pursuing their own self interests at each other's expense.

Life is a game to be won or lost, right?

Fuck it all, right?

Zero sum!

[phyllo]

Fuck those who suffer in a lawless society right?

They would suffer because they deserve it. A person's place in a lawless society is purely based on merit. Without the unfair support, protection and promotion of government, the current 'elites' would not be in a dominant position. Naturally, proponents of a lawless society believe that they have lots of merit and will be at the top of the food chain. Isn't that how it will work, Walker?

[James L Walker]

Fuck those who suffer in a lawless society right?

They would suffer because they deserve it. A person's place in a lawless society is purely based on merit. Without the unfair support, protection and promotion of government, the current 'elites' would not be in a dominant position. Naturally, proponents of a lawless society believe that they have lots of merit and will be at the top of the food chain. Isn't that how it will work, Walker?

It is the same in governed societies where the only difference is role reversals.

In a government society protection and support only goes to those that can afford it as a multitude of people suffering is the norm through it too from the bottom of the food chain.

In a existence of anarchy right after a government collapses the oppressed peasants make sure former government officials and supporters are the first to be targeted for well thought out reasons so that no sort of revival can be maintained through the vacuum.

Those on the bottom become the new top and those formerly on the top become the new bottom.

I've never claimed a existence of anarchy will be less inequal or violent.

In the beginning stages of anarchy civil war, strife, and the purging of former government authorities or supporters is the norm considering that a existence of anarchy benefits those formerly oppressed by government the most.

This is why those who are well off support government and those not so well off support anarchy. Each reactionary form has it's role reversals that compete against one another.

Anarchy is very reactionary and offers a variety of social retribution to many.

[lizbethrose]

It sounds as if you're envisioning the sort of revolution Russia experienced in 1917, or the French Revolution in 1789. But there are a lot of differences between the politics of then and now--and one of the benefits of the government of the US is the possibility for non-violent change.

There are certainly economic classes in every country, but they're neither fixed (in theory) nor hereditary. Government is no longer hereditary, as it was in so many Western countries at the turn of the 19th and 20th centuries. This is one of the benefits of our form of government. Other benefits are as commonplace as speed limits, stop signs or lights at intersections, various safety regs for food, drugs,--bicycle and motorcycle helmets--safety straps in cars--the rules against talking or texting on a cell device while operating any sort of vehicle, from a personal car to a train.

And, yes, all those rules infringe on individual rights. There are probably more individual's rights infringed upon by those rules than there have been deaths due to a lack of those rules. Do you feel individual rights are most important and take precedence over an individual's life? If so, don't buckle up, drive right through that stop sign, go on using your phone while you drive, drink as much as you want to and go ahead and drive. The rules infringe on your rights, so don't follow them--use your own common sense and keep yourself and other people safe by following your own rules.

There's a problem, though. Not everyone has the common sense to govern themselves.

[James L Walker]

It sounds as if you're envisioning the sort of revolution Russia experienced in 1917, or the French Revolution in 1789. But there are a lot of differences between the politics of then and now--and one of the benefits of the government of the US is the possibility for non-violent change.

There are certainly economic classes in every country, but they're neither fixed (in theory) nor hereditary. Government is no longer hereditary, as it was in so many Western countries at the turn of the 19th and 20th centuries. This is one of the benefits of our form of government. Other benefits are as commonplace as speed limits, stop signs or lights at intersections, various safety regs for food, drugs,--bicycle and motorcycle helmets--safety straps in cars--the rules against talking or texting on a cell device while operating any sort of vehicle, from a personal car to a train.

And, yes, all those rules infringe on individual rights. There are probably more individual's rights infringed upon by those rules than there have been deaths due to a lack of those rules. Do you feel individual rights are most important and take precedence over an individual's life? If so, don't buckle up, drive right through that stop sign, go on using your phone while you drive, drink as much as you want to and go ahead and drive. The rules infringe on your rights, so don't follow them--use your own common sense and keep yourself and other people safe by following your own rules.

There's a problem, though. Not everyone has the common sense to govern themselves.

Benefits of the United States government? Are you kidding me?

You are deeply gullible and infected.

Pacifism changes nothing and has a poor track record at rebellion as it only makes easily controlled nonviolent slaves that are readily pushed around or intimidated.

Governments now are oligarchal although there are still some long outstanding family dynasties that have power within them.

Rights are fictional concepts given power by governments to people willing to subjugate themselves to it. There is only independence stripped away through laws enforced.

Social class is fixed upon economical specialization. Modern class warfare exists between specialists and non specialists[laborers].

You think that there are people who need to be controlled by others where government is needed. I don't.

You have been drinking the government punch for far too long.

There are not many differences between now and 1789. The differences are slight.

The outcome will be similar if not worse.

[Stoic Guardian]

Things will change dramtically, one way or t'other.