Human Depression

[Ierrellus]

In the "sister" thread I mentioned a psychiatrist who slaps patients to get their attention

.You'd better have one helluva good intuition and probably a decent lawyer on retainer with that tactic. I wouldn't rule it out in some very specific instance, but I am skeptical it is a good thing to do with any frequency. A shout or clapping one's hands is very shocking and probably too much in most instances. A slightly irritated tone usually creates instant focus.

A slap just seems like a leap. And then, it is so likely to be abusive.

i think slapping is uncalled for under any circumstance...talk about crazy...the psychiatrist is crazy....

As I said, the slapping would not have worked on me anyhow. I hold grudges. Traveling around the e-mail forwards is one that begins with a pleasant scene, then abruptly changes to a hideous face. That's enough shock for me.

[dan25]

WOW!! What a brilliant thread!!!
I have suffered from depression (on and off) since my early
teens. I have been prescribed several SSRIs, and I have had
counseling sessions with a pschologist.
Smoked a great deal of Cannabis when I was younger,
it seemed to help at the time.
Now weed would make me feel worse, so I avoid it altogether

[FilmSnob]

WOW!! What a brilliant thread!!!
I have suffered from depression (on and off) since my early
teens. I have been prescribed several SSRIs, and I have had
counseling sessions with a pschologist.
Smoked a great deal of Cannabis when I was younger,
it seemed to help at the time.
Now weed would make me feel worse, so I avoid it altogether

Hash?

[dan25]

WOW!! What a brilliant thread!!!
I have suffered from depression (on and off) since my early
teens. I have been prescribed several SSRIs, and I have had
counseling sessions with a pschologist.
Smoked a great deal of Cannabis when I was younger,
it seemed to help at the time.
Now weed would make me feel worse, so I avoid it altogether

Hash?

To me and my group of friends, at that time, hashish was
thought of as weak.
I used to smoke, so called, super skunk (specifically bred for
a high THC content) with silly names like blue-berry and
Jack era...

[FilmSnob]

I mention it because a lot of people that bad trip on weed are able to enjoy hash.

Let go of your teenage preconceptions!

Btw, I am still smoking Jack. AAA mutherfucker.

[Ierrellus]

I'm old. I still try to compensate with cigarettes and beer. They don't work too well. Presently, my person who prescribes my meds is ill. No one else at the behaviorial health center seems able to prescribe. No meds for a week. So, I'm in a week long grunge, no bath, little enthusiasm for anything. I can just hear Liz now preaching to me. Do something!!!

[Ierrellus]

I hear Californians are still in a Catch 22 situation. You can legally grow a certain amount of "medical" marijuana, but the Feds can destroy your crop.

[turtle]

a lot of the recent health news from the last two years seems to indicate that what you eat or dont eat has a lot to do with how you feel...i also see this news being ignored....interesting...

[FilmSnob]

In case anyone is interested, here is how you can make your own hash. It won't be afghan brown, but it will have no butane.

Buy around 3.5 grams of weed for the first run. Get a coffee grinder. Got to your local marihuana paraphernalia store and by: a hash press (the clerk will know) and any form of sifting device (again, ask paraphernalia salesperson).

1. Grind your weed fine, 15 seconds or so will probably do it.

2. Sift the weed, the leafs will stay on top while the crystals (an very light green or white dust that is pure THC) will drop to the bottom.

Place THC dust in press, add a bit of water and press as hard as it will go, pressing more as time passes. Wait for the water to dry up some and enjoy your hash.

If confused, ask pot store guy for more accurate instructions.

The advantage of hash is that it doesn't have the other cannabinoids found in weed, so the high is less exciting and more calming. Smoke about 0.5 gram pieces at first, just crumple them up and put them in a rolled tobacco cigarette or do spots. If you have a vaporizer (healthy vapor pipe, probably like $80 for a descent one at the marihuana accessory dispensary closest to you), I'm sure it could work.

[turtle]

a lot of the recent health news from the last two years seems to indicate that what you eat or dont eat has a lot to do with how you feel...i also see this news being ignored....interesting...

what do you say about this.............

[FilmSnob]

i honestly don't give it much credit... i mean i am sure it's true, the question is: is it true to any significant degree...?

[turtle]

i honestly don't give it much credit... i mean i am sure it's true, the question is: is it true to any significant degree...?

why dont you give it much credit....

[FilmSnob]

i thought about it, it might indeed be an interesting proposition... don't know enough neuroscience to say...

[MagsJ]

a lot of the recent health news from the last two years seems to indicate that what you eat or dont eat has a lot to do with how you feel...i also see this news being ignored....interesting...

People don't like change... you think they'd try it if it meant that it would help their mental health - my diet is currently quite sparse but my mental health is 100% positive, and that is due to cutting out nearly all non-hunter/gatherer foods and immense will power :/

[turtle]

a lot of the recent health news from the last two years seems to indicate that what you eat or dont eat has a lot to do with how you feel...i also see this news being ignored....interesting...

People don't like change... you think they'd try it if it meant that it would help their mental health - my diet is currently quite sparse but my mental health is 100% positive, and that is due to cutting out nearly all non-hunter/gatherer foods and immense will power :/

my mental health improved after eating------ vegetables,beans,fruits,seeds,nuts, and whole grains.
i stay away from any processed shit/junk...the hardest thing is sugar...i love it but it was screwing me up...

[FilmSnob]

(Let me know if I am crossing any lines here.) How much did you improve?

[turtle]

(Let me know if I am crossing any lines here.) How much did you improve?

no problem.....hard to say but definite increase in energy, mood(not always thinking of death), thinking about things to do more, mind sharper, not as nervous..overall would say moderate improvement..i still think the world and most people suck...

[FilmSnob]

Hmm... I believe you.

[MagsJ]

Dude, what's not to believe? it's Science fact, not Medievil myth!

[FilmSnob]

Dude, what's not to believe? it's Science fact, not Medievil myth!

Dude, I don't do sarcasm. I was sincere.

EDIT

No, wait, I do do sarcasm. But I make it witty when I do, not just super douchy. I was sincere this time.

[turtle]

Dude, what's not to believe? it's Science fact, not Medievil myth!

Dude, I don't do sarcasm. I was sincere.

EDIT

No, wait, I do do sarcasm. But I make it witty when I do, not just super douchy. I was sincere this time.

ok so you were being sincere.....this issue is extremely important....people do not connect that what you are eating has a lot to do with mood and DEPRESSION...food and mood are very much connected...all you have to do is start educating yourself...there are plenty of persons ready to teach...anti-depressants may not be the best way to treat depression...

[FilmSnob]

The thing is, I had a moment in my life where all the elements where set for a perfect storm of depression. In a way, the storm came, but it wasn't quite depression. It was drug-adled "no use"-ism. That's from the outside, of course, but on the inside, I was discovering things I never fucking ever would have imagined. I was sometimes eating nothing but spaghetti with butter (carefully rationed) for weeks at a time. Sometimes I didn't eat at all for a day or two. I lived in the most depressive crack-den looking appartment you could imagine. I was smoking a lot of cigarettes and doing harmful drugs (not too harmful, I did respect some limits).

Yet, even in this biological chemistry hell, no, only because of that biological chemistry hell, I was able to reach places that I am eternally grateful I reached.

Therefore, my goal is not to find chemical balance. My personal way out of this funk will rather be economic autonomy combined with crazy drugs and crazy philosophy. Personally, I find happyness in the edges.

So, as I said, it sounds like a treatment that works, but it's not for everybody.

[turtle]

The thing is, I had a moment in my life where all the elements where set for a perfect storm of depression. In a way, the storm came, but it wasn't quite depression. It was drug-adled "no use"-ism. That's from the outside, of course, but on the inside, I was discovering things I never fucking ever would have imagined. I was sometimes eating nothing but spaghetti with butter (carefully rationed) for weeks at a time. Sometimes I didn't eat at all for a day or two. I lived in the most depressive crack-den looking appartment you could imagine. I was smoking a lot of cigarettes and doing harmful drugs (not too harmful, I did respect some limits).

Yet, even in this biological chemistry hell, no, only because of that biological chemistry hell, I was able to reach places that I am eternally grateful I reached.

Therefore, my goal is not to find chemical balance. My personal way out of this funk will rather be economic autonomy combined with crazy drugs and crazy philosophy. Personally, I find happyness in the edges.

So, as I said, it sounds like a treatment that works, but it's not for everybody.

i wasnt clear about what you eat most of the time...
does food effect your mood?????

[FilmSnob]

Yeah; after having this conversation and thinking back, I can safely say that food does affect my mood.

[Joe Schmoe]

Consciousness and the Body. I would compare these to the Software and Hardware of a computer. Regardless of the integrity of a program, if the hardware is suffering, the program can't function to it's full potential. Likewise, when our body isn't healthy, our mind can't perform to it's potential. However, unlike a computer, people are aware of their shortfalls, so the process of falling short provides negative feedback and further impedes the ability of the consciousness to perform to it's capacity.

When I was younger, I was anorexic. I can vouch for the improvement a healthy diet has on our conscious mind.