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Re: Tales From Being Homeless

Postby PavlovianModel146 » Fri Jan 27, 2012 8:43 am

Dan,

I appreciate the support, but even I realize that all of my thoughts on political matters are 100% useless and could never be used to effectuate anything. In fact, I almost have a tendency to question whether or not I am a complete fucking imbecile that just happens to have a better-than-average vocabulary and just enough writing ability to merely be an idiot who stands out as opposed to an idiot that nobody notices.

In other words, I can use words to capture attention, but that makes my ideas no less completely fucked.

Even if we were going to try to effectuate what's being discussed here, the principles themselves are entirely foundational. You would actually have to begin a country this way, and the way the country is now, it's too vastly different from what the end-result of what's being discussed would be and, if there is a way to take this pile of shit we have now and get it there, it would be a long and difficult process.

I don't know shit about construction, there's a gap, and I can't even begin to draw up plans as to how to build a bridge.

The problem is that all of the things that I think should be taken for granted, very simply, are not taken for granted. I think that a burger-flipper that works full-time should be guaranteed a minimum wage that's indexed to 200% of the current federal poverty line for a family of four. I don't think that you need entitlement programs such as social security or medicare making up the difference, you just need people that make reasonable amounts of money.

You need a society that is very driven on family values to the extent that people will start to see that there is value in being homemakers, not to the extent that the homemakers are actually compensated by an outside source for their work, but to the extent that family is viewed as important enough to say, "Okay, we've got to make it so that one person in a household can work and support the entire household." I can do that, but not everyone can.

You have women now that do not work as single-mothers because the difference in what they will get, or their overall improvement, is not worth their time because (after the benefits are cut) they have to work four hours to see additional money for one hour. You have a society where someone can get a divorce from their husband and go to school, now they will collect child support because of the divorce, will get free child care at the school, and will also qualify for other benefits (such as food stamps) while they are in school to the extent that they are financially better off not to be married. Not to mention the straight up cash they get from grants geared specifically toward single-Mothers.

To that extent, we have engineered and Legislated for a society where family doesn't make a fuckload of difference to anyone. I'm probably one of the only people that cares about family, my so-called, fellow fucking liberals, don't seem to give a shit about it.

Anyway, so then the single-mother will graduate college, get a job that pays as well as the ex-husband's, if not better, and he will get to continue to pay child support to someone that doesn't actually need it and be fucked for years to come.

In any case, the first thing that you have to do is get the country back to, "0," in terms of deficit, and then you might begin to think about having some kind of Socialist agenda.

Some people are going to have to die.

The first thing that you have to do is execute all prisoners that were found guilty, in a Court of Law, of any felony involving either a weapon, a child or an inherently violent act. They must summarily be killed without all of the bullshit dramatics and build-up that typically accompany executions, the same executions that the condemned will occasionally die waiting for....

In the meantime, some people just aren't willing to right themselves. Therefore, anyone convicted, in a Court of Law, of any TWO felonies, arising from separate acts, will also be summarily executed. I understand that there must be an appeals process for new evidence and all that bullshit, so let's give them one year...I guess.

People convicted of DUI or DWI will also be summarily executed, first-offense. By driving in that condition, they will now take the same risk that they would so callously expose innocent people to. I think we can change a catchy phrase to another one:

"Over-The-Limit, Under Arrest."

TO:

"Over-The-Limit, Underground."

I would also say, with respect to misdemeanors, when you reach the point at which you have spent five years (1,825 days) in either jail or prison, you must die, as you are too much of a burden on the system.

The thing that you have to understand is that it takes $63.41 per day, using the State of Tennessee's numbers for 2009, to house an inmate. That's a little over $23,000/year. In the case of someone that spends over five years in prison, it is highly unlikely that the amount spent housing the inmate will be recouped in future taxes paid back to the state/federal (whichever is applicable) by that inmate, and therefore, the prison system operates at a loss with respect to that inmate. Furthermore, even if such taxes were recouped, they wouldn't necessarily entirely go to the prison system, and if they did, then that means he's not paying a fair share of other shit.

Wastes of space, wastes of money.

Further, we need to quit the fucking coddling that we do with all of the current prisoners. From now on, all jail cells are to be six feet long by four feet wide. Inmates always be kept in solitary confinement, except during common times. Inmates will be permitted to leave their cells for thirty minutes every two days to shower, they will receive a new change of clothes once/week, they will be allowed one hour per week for solitary outdoor recreation. There will be no television, there will be no internet, there will be no education, there will be no candy bars, there will be no haircuts with exception to the one they receive going in and the one they receive when they leave. There will be ABSOLUTELY NO FUCKING HEALTHCARE OF ANY KIND, if they die, they die.

Prison will once again be considered the detractor to crime it is supposed to be.

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We must also legalize marijuana, but it can only be legally sold by Government-licensed manufacturers and companies. If anyone grows/ditributes/sells marijuana without a license, then that person will be subject to the death penalty. There's no reason to piss away such a great source of tax revenue. In fact, the Government could own the rights to the distribution of the marijuana, and basically handle everything except the growing, and still tax it over-and-above all of that. Of course, you have to find the tax level where the Government makes the most money, and that level will be found by having a significant number of people smoke weed, so be it.

I have plenty of other props, if you care to hear them. I lose most people as soon as, "Death penalty," comes out of my mouth, though.
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Re: Tales From Being Homeless

Postby James L Walker » Wed Apr 11, 2012 9:06 pm

2011 Summer In Seattle-

After walking fifteen miles looking for work in the city where I was dehydrated with my cantene empty along with the soles of my feet destroyed at the end of the day I began to look for water.

I went to a cofee shop dying of thirst first looking for water.

They told me that they were sorry where water and the bathrooms were for paying customers only. I then proceeded to the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, and 8th place where the answer was the same where I was treated with a sort of kind disrespect from the people of all those places because of my homeless figure. Since it was the area of the wealthy and influential there was the impression that I was on the wrong side of town where I was considered a general nuissance to them.

At last going to the ninth place getting ready to pass out from heat stroke with a fierce menacing look in my face somebody finally allowed me to fill up my cantene.
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Re: Tales From Being Homeless

Postby James L Walker » Wed Apr 11, 2012 9:21 pm

Summer of 2011 Seattle-

In the city homeless were quite forbidden from using the bathrooms of the local businesses.

There were very few places where a person could relieve themselves homeless.

The downtown public library was a favorite place to go for all the homeless.

It's bathrooms always smelled like the bowels of a hundred people everyday.

When everything closed there was no access to public bathrooms.

It was not uncommon to see human feces in alley ways or sidewalks from the night before in the mornings.

After seeing and going through all of this myself I came to know the meaning of depravity.
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Re: Tales From Being Homeless

Postby BUFFALO » Wed Apr 11, 2012 9:26 pm

Dan~ wrote: In a planned economy, if planned well enough, everyone could have jobs and the prices for things would change dramatically. Again, the authority would need to free itself from corruption somehow. Either through being a direct democracy or through being a meritocracy or some such thing. We suffer from unequal distribution of power.


Yes, only in America would people camped out under an overpass rail against the horror of "communism" as espoused by the evil Democrats. Americans are so naive - they pretend there is this big difference between the Democrats and Republicans - there really isn't, especially if you compare the US government to social democracies in other parts of the world. Take Norway as an example. It is probably one of the most socialistic states in the world, yet they rate #1 on the Human Development Index and are #3 in terms of gross domestic product (GDP) at purchasing power parity per capita. Of course Norway did it a little differently - they opted out of the uber-capitalist "free-trade" globalism model and have been smiling all the way to the bank. In Norway not only is health care totally free, education is free all the way to the post-grad level. All Norwegians get a "living wage" - that means that even if you are a manual laborer, you make enough to maintain a decent lifestyle. Unlike the US, Norway does not import foreign workers to fill low paying jobs. Every occupation is seen as useful and necessary. Yes, the cost of living is high, in part because of the tariffs and trade barriers that keep Norwegians working in their own industries. No headaches trying to deal with a burgeoning population of illegal immigrants... And the rate of homelessness is about 1.4 per 1,000 (compared to estimates that go as high as 1% of the US population).

(Looks like we found some common ground after all, Dan)
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Re: Tales From Being Homeless

Postby James L Walker » Wed Apr 11, 2012 10:03 pm

In the summer of 2011 Seattle-

After spending the first five days sleeping on the ground of the woods just outside the city I finally went to a over packed homeless shelter of seventy five men.

It smelled of filth, shit, piss, and alcohol. The entire place was dirty both rat and cockroach infested.

The first day of orientation amused me as a atheist because a priest sponsor came out saying how we were all "God's" children where he cared about and loved us all.

The cafeteria was operated by people through enforced community service by the local courts when it was not done by local religious fanatics. They always looked angry and displeased being there.

At night time there was all seventy five of us sleeping in two small over crowded rooms on thin floor mats seperating us from the concrete floor being elbow to elbow next each other.

If you rolled over there was a great chance of running into somebody else.

On my second week there I developed a rash all over my body from the unsanitary blankets passed out there. The rash turned into blisters where some bled out.

It was that day I left the shelter to go somewhere else where after two weeks the rashes all over my body disappeared.
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Re: Tales From Being Homeless

Postby Contra-Nietzsche » Thu Apr 12, 2012 12:02 am

Your a idiot for bunking with tweakers. I would never stay in a homeless shelter. If you trust the cops or mayor, your signing your health, life, and clean criminal record away. Your just a statistic to abuse and a photo opprotunity. They get paid public health professions getting federal and private grants left and right.... therefor claiming they are employing others.

Its remarkably easy and super cheap to house hobo males in sanitary conditions. 4 functioning washing machines, 4 dryers, shower room, and popping up cots in the shower room after washing. Doesnt even have to be a permanent structure in warm climates, just plastic pvc piping and access to water and sewage lines. Would be wise for a city to invest in storage.... many homeless wont abandon their last possessions for renting a clothes only foot locker. Those people..... those pathetic people..... they ARE Liz, Pav, and Smears..... people who are afraid of the poverty and hardship, attached to a housed lifestyle, to their goods. Life is miserable for them, and they have zero capacity to recover on their own. Fear swirls around them.... and they clutch to their carts hating the world they want desperately back into. The current ideology for homeless storage is a absolute failure in regards to them.

It would be wise for the post office to manufacture non existent addresses in real neighborhoods so homeless can have mail sent to them without it looking like a P.O. Box to potential employers. If they get mail to one of these addresses, put it in a po box for the hobo. Goal should be stream lining the homeless towards sustainable employment, not funding socialist burecrats sucking up tax money and not helping anyone. They are public enemy number one, not the taliban. We need to send special forces after them, unleashing hell on their cubicals, with the diet coke cans with straws with lipstick on the spraying everywhere, their troll dolls shot up and mutilated, and these thunder thigh leeches run down the hall mooing, back out into the world, and off the public pay roll. Put homeless in charge,they will be much more competent and capable of cutting through the bullshit.

Honestly..... the idea of putting these dumbfuck socialists in charge of social institutions is like putting videogamers in charge of special ops missions. Intellectual enthusiasm doesnt translate to effectiveness or realistic understandings of whats life is like. You wouldnt have to train a formerly homeless councellor on empathy..... they would tell the new hobo 'fucker, stop being all emotional, I was there, I got out, fuck the world..... this is what you do.'
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Re: Tales From Being Homeless

Postby James L Walker » Thu Apr 12, 2012 1:18 am

To Contra:

When I was homeless in Seattle it was the first time I ever spent in shelters. Never again!

They are run by liberals, communists, and socialist scum that act more like fascist tyrants towards those they charge custody of. They are also operated by religious nuts.

Many of the staff don't treat you like a independent adult where they instead look down on you treating you like a child. If you try to challenge them they will threaten you with the police every time.

Homeless shelters are over glorified gulags. Nothing more.

They don't even help you find work. Their storage lockers are a joke and if your not careful they will pawn off all your personal belongings.

I remember one of the shelters there was no bathroom stalls or shower curtains for privacy.

The entire place was run like a prison.
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Re: Tales From Being Homeless

Postby James L Walker » Thu Apr 12, 2012 2:18 am

To Contra:

Before Seattle when I was homeless I lived in either the woods or under a bridge.

Having lived in the gulags known as the modern shelter I rather live in the wilderness or under bridges if I was forced to be homeless again.

In the modern shelter you are just warehoused human cattle.
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"Propaganda of the deed." - Bonnot Gang 1912

"My father rode a camel. I drive a car. My son flies a jet airplane. My son's son will ride a camel just like my father before him."- Arab Peak Oil Proverb

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Re: Tales From Being Homeless

Postby Stoic Guardian » Thu Apr 12, 2012 3:46 am

You think that might be how it's designed? Perhaps shelters are purposely made to be inadaquate so that the homeless don't get too comfortable being homeless.

Thats how the old poverty control laws were in Europe, they'd give you a Job but it wasn't a good Job so the impovershed would be more motivated to find themselves a Job.
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Re: Tales From Being Homeless

Postby lizbethrose » Thu Apr 12, 2012 7:53 am

James, I'm supremely sorry you had such a horrendous time in Seattle. (I don't particularly like the city, but that's beside the point.) I'm surprised you weren't able to find water. First, because summer of 2011 was so rainy and cold all over the state small farmers lost crops and we weren't able to grow anything in our backyard garden. If you''re ever in that situation again, go into a public building, find a water fountain, and fill up your canteen. You can use the potty while you're there, as well. Some of them even have showers, since Seattle is a bicycle city.

Seattle tried to establish public toilets, but they became centers for both drug trade and prostitution and were shut down. They'd been placed in the main area frequented by pan-handlers and the avowed homeless. The idea was well meant, but the people it tried to help shot it down.

Both Pav and I have offered you a place to live and a job. That you have refused both says an awful lot about you, doesn't it?
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Re: Tales From Being Homeless

Postby James L Walker » Thu Apr 12, 2012 8:58 am

lizbethrose wrote:James, I'm supremely sorry you had such a horrendous time in Seattle. (I don't particularly like the city, but that's beside the point.) I'm surprised you weren't able to find water. First, because summer of 2011 was so rainy and cold all over the state small farmers lost crops and we weren't able to grow anything in our backyard garden. If you''re ever in that situation again, go into a public building, find a water fountain, and fill up your canteen. You can use the potty while you're there, as well. Some of them even have showers, since Seattle is a bicycle city.

Seattle tried to establish public toilets, but they became centers for both drug trade and prostitution and were shut down. They'd been placed in the main area frequented by pan-handlers and the avowed homeless. The idea was well meant, but the people it tried to help shot it down.

Both Pav and I have offered you a place to live and a job. That you have refused both says an awful lot about you, doesn't it?


I don't take kind to your pretend sincerity or concern. I know when someone is mocking and insulting me with pretend sincerity.

As for Pav I am still taking up his offer in Ohio not that it is your concern in meddling into my private affairs.

The situation I described was during a dry portion of the summer in one of the isolated portions of the city far removed from any public buildings. It was also after hours.

Potty? What are you twelve? Fuck your contemptuous sarcasm.

I have experienced horrors that you can't even fathom that would of made you lose your mind in my place. Take your bullshit sarcasm elsewhere.

You make light of my struggles with your cavalier type attitude.

The day is coming where those who have enjoyed so much privilege in life on so many suffering is going to come to a end where it will soon enough be you on the street corner.
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Re: Tales From Being Homeless

Postby James L Walker » Thu Apr 12, 2012 9:23 am

Stoic Guardian wrote:You think that might be how it's designed? Perhaps shelters are purposely made to be inadaquate so that the homeless don't get too comfortable being homeless.

Thats how the old poverty control laws were in Europe, they'd give you a Job but it wasn't a good Job so the impovershed would be more motivated to find themselves a Job.


I don't care about the design in how others are treated like beasts of burden or other people's disposable property. You know nothing until your on the other side of it.

You know not what it is like to be in bondage. Forget what you think that it is you know.
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Re: Tales From Being Homeless

Postby James L Walker » Thu Apr 12, 2012 9:41 am

To Liz: Go up to the many homeless in the Seattle area. We had another nickname for the city there other than how all the urban yuppies perceived it to be.

We called it the city of damnation or the city of the damned.

Great city my ass. Great for whom?

Do you even know of the suffering that exists in your backyard. I bet your clueless like the rest.
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Re: Tales From Being Homeless

Postby Contra-Nietzsche » Fri Apr 13, 2012 7:59 am

Yuppies and Whinos are mutually dependent upon one another, you cant find the one without the other. Its a psychological flaw of affliction, the one chases the other, getting and giving in a charade of remorse, fear, incompleteness, and addiction. Spiritual kin, gemini arm in arm, from derth to the grave they stride arm in arm.
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Re: Tales From Being Homeless

Postby lizbethrose » Fri Apr 13, 2012 11:10 am

James L Walker wrote:To Liz: Go up to the many homeless in the Seattle area. We had another nickname for the city there other than how all the urban yuppies perceived it to be.

We called it the city of damnation or the city of the damned.

Great city my ass. Great for whom?

Do you even know of the suffering that exists in your backyard. I bet your clueless like the rest.


Dear James--I never called Seattle a great city--I don't live there and I think I've said that I dislike even going there. Nor am I saying that being homeless has derogatory connotations. I haven't said, as many other people have, that it's an abasement of anyone if they're found homeless--or that they could have avoided homelessness if they'd made 'better decisions,' 'worked harder,' or whatever excuse is given.

I think I've known only one homeless man--a regular at the library who was always treated with respect. He finally agreed, after he almost died, and through the intervention of his aunt who had spent years trying to help him, to go back on his meds and to put himself back into her home. Before then, he slept in the service bay of a garage (which the owner allowed) and got new shoes, umbrellas, and some spending money, thanks to a fire squad in another city.

Yes, some of us know the suffering. Some of us are also aware of the fraud that goes on. That's why our charity monies have to go to recognized organizations that truly try to help. Finding such organizations is often difficult, since so many of them take monetary donations and use them for 'operating expenses.' But we do try, Joker.

I think what I really object to is personae created by people in order to project something, or someone, they aren't, so as to emphasize or give reason to their beliefs.

Misrepresentation will almost always be discovered. It can be as simple as wondering how you, as a homeless man, drifting around the country, own a computer and are able to pay an ISP to support that computer.

It's like contra-nietszche saying he lives in a jungle, on a rainy, uninhabitable mountain in Hawaii--and yet he can post his ideas in an on-line forum. Does he walk down the mountain every day, find an internet cafe, and plug in? Or does he somehow own a super-duper battery that keeps him on line indefinitely?

It's these inconsistencies I question--not your thoughts.
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Re: Tales From Being Homeless

Postby nameta9 » Fri Apr 13, 2012 9:40 pm

lizbethrose wrote:James, I'm supremely sorry you had such a horrendous time in Seattle. (I don't particularly like the city, but that's beside the point.) I'm surprised you weren't able to find water. First, because summer of 2011 was so rainy and cold all over the state small farmers lost crops and we weren't able to grow anything in our backyard garden. If you''re ever in that situation again, go into a public building, find a water fountain, and fill up your canteen. You can use the potty while you're there, as well. Some of them even have showers, since Seattle is a bicycle city.

Seattle tried to establish public toilets, but they became centers for both drug trade and prostitution and were shut down. They'd been placed in the main area frequented by pan-handlers and the avowed homeless. The idea was well meant, but the people it tried to help shot it down.

Both Pav and I have offered you a place to live and a job. That you have refused both says an awful lot about you, doesn't it?



Just give him cash, sl+t, just give him money without asking questions ok ? who cares if "you work hard for your money", I hate you and your "hard work", I want your cash for free, I like freeloaders, I like robbing cash from people who "work hard" for their cash, I like the fight, the contrast, give me all your cash slob, you turd, etc. No morality here, no "justice" here, it is just me and my desires and my will power against yours, and I want to win like a cry baby, who cares if I am wrong and "if everyone were like you the entire society would fall apart", that is what I want, I want to win, that's all, you work and be my slave, I want all your cash. After all, this is exactly what Capitalism, the Free Market and all the right wing "hard work" mentality is all about even though they put it upside down and always blame the workers and those that are doing the real "hard work" as being freeloaders and lazy and wanting the union and such (but who cares, I hate right and wrong dicotomies and morality and people and all things social and political).

And then those right Wing Thugs that always chant about their hard work think they are saying something new and interesting and important: this BS of their Hard Work is just them saying "Oh look how egotistical I am, how I want to keep it all for myself and want to feel smug and morally correct and justified" and all such crap, they think they are expressing something intelligent and important when they are just expressing their basic turdy instinct, the Man Brain at its worst being a thug and fighting, they are expressing the stupidest and the oldest fashion concept, I want mine, I am better than you, I don't want to give you all my stuff for free because I "worked hard" for it, what turds, just punch them in the face and take it away from them, the turds, they want theirs, kill their morality, their idea of correct, their idea of "Objective Laws", the slaves, be a thug and criminal, no refrain anymore, just let it All Hang Out.

Please all freeloaders, rob the cash from all those hard working thugs, beat them up, kill morality, don't be afraid, just be honest with yourself.

Be Wrong and always be on the Wrong Side, make fun of them and their logic and all, try to win losers...

The basis is always A against B, A says the opposite of B, A fights B, A as opposed to B, but both A and B are defined accordingly, are only reciprocally defined and exist only as the opposite of the other, there is no stable middle ground, no objective reference system, the two are each other's reference system and as such are equivalent and both wrong or right (no absolute here, no solution here, no Truth here as truth can't exist when the two items are reciprocally defined and as they can be combined in one item made up of two items, the one item is just a quirk, an arbitrary design, an arbitrary turd, a useless random chaotic piece of crap and piece of nothing and having no meaning and no value, etc.), only the stronger force wins by sheer force and power.
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Re: Tales From Being Homeless

Postby Contra-Nietzsche » Fri Apr 13, 2012 9:45 pm

I walk around all day, and then find a internet cafe, like the other million homeless in this country. The only incondistency is on your end pretending to have a education and not grasping logistics. I need to charge this sucker up and do job searches. We dint have access to 3 million in dormant bullshit funds like you for a non existent need anymore, which you openly admit you and your husband ran for political office to grasp. Its your job to push the logistical awareness of what your sitting on, and where the pressing need in society is. That money can be used to get many people back on their feet, or prevent home forclisures, etc. You systematically chosen a path that requires no motivation or progress forward.

Lets turn the magnifying glass on your criminal nature and roast you for a while. How many people have you certainly saved the life of? I have 1 confirmed absolute. How many have you gotten off the street? I have Three with absolure certainty. How many have you stayed up with in a emergency room half the night, making sure he was compentently diagnosed and given a plan for having surgery? How many greyhound fairs have you paid for
someone to return home. How much food from your own dwindling stock have you given to the hungry? Have you shown people safe places to sleep? Have you comforted the inconsolable? Heard a mans delusions out to come to terms with the kernal of his pains? Have you seen someone who was hysteric and didnt belong in the least in their situation and engineer a way out for them? I can account for doing these things, before and then during my time on the streets. A character of a person isnt tested from spacial distancing or abstraction, but the concrete actions of engadging a dynamic and dangerous world. I have failed at times. I saw first hand the heartbreak of a entire people at the height of their torment. I saw men by the thousands fail in love and relationships all at the same time. I also have seen entire neighborhoods populated by non breeders hogging the last once of economic liquidity as the poor were tormented and fucked with. Utopian universities as insulated as you can imagine seperated from the pain around them..... whose students only labor was working a cafe with multiple piercings and then followed up by a job poorly educating the youth, or similar bullshit, non effective government job.... ehos sole exposure to the poor was the bus or train the took to class,or the door lock they click whenever one crosses a corner they are waiting a red light on.

And you wonder why your class is systemmatically dying off, as if it was the movie 'Children of Men'. Look at the meat grinder that is Vancouver..... everyone is disengadged from their reality, from their society, by the carrot on the stick of socialism and security. The population statistics are frightening, the current population is systemmatically dying off. From simply not reproducing anywhere near enough to maintain population stability. I assure you, a angry distrustful hobo like Walker isnt going to make this mistake. And yet a large part of our highly disfunctional population is doung just that. Once, it was just places like The Castro in San Francisco.... now it doesnt even come close to beingbthe top. We have in the heart of every city a decadent, perverted core that puts all its trust and promises in going after the rewards and job placements they were promised since school, and then proceed to non reproduce, or if they do, the kids always deformed and dying of cancer. There were no deformed kids dying of cancer in my neighborhood growing up because my neighborhood never attracted such degenerates in the first place. We are a much more impassioned and penetrating population.

Right now, were going through a massive darwinian selection. My line and walkers prove philosophy and intellectual studies will not die off in our community. If anything, its dying off in your class.... the fear, rejection, and xenophobia is systematically reducing that very community. Your gated communities is reducingbthe scope and ratio viability to compete. Your logic, syllogisms, and retreat to a so called orthodox reasoning will not stem the tide. You and your people want to die. Its comming, and every ecxuse you offer to the otherwise is irrevelent. Your dying..... in the meantime, appreciate the peace we let you die in..... for other, wiser civilizations would of slaughtered your lot by now, and dont annoy us with your point of view or crying as to why we cant fit into your system and succeed in it like you. Its because on a genetic and instinctive level, we knew not to submit, to sign away our lives, to persue our own damn the consequences. The reward? Our descendents get the cities, and yours get the nirvana of extinction from never existing.

Enough of your excuses and inconsiderations, your distancing and conservation of direct, meaningful action. Damn your professional beuracracies, your abortions aimed at the poor and the carrots you sickos dangle before us. Were quite capable of advancing minus you. We built this country from the sweat of our labor, the felling of trees and the mining and cattle runs and breaking feral dirt into agricultural gold. It wasnt till your paracite of a species arouse that tried to systemmatise it all, causing dustbowls in the prarie or the dtying up of the aral sea. But dear god, glibal warming thats been happening since the last iceage is suddenly the new religion everyone needs to change every aspect of ourselves and hide in eco isolated gated communities or ultra rural satillite communities outside of the city core with. Fuck that. Nothing is going in my ass, I will not go and get a masters degree so I can teach what I already know to those who can never be, or die in fear and isolation for the sake of a den of aesthetic serenity. Its a disturbing way to live. Iblive the way my ancestors have since the beginning of time. My instincts are sound, and my depth of grasping the circumstances around me without paralell given my dedication to inquiry, direct study and systemmatic intervention. I am doing something absolutely incredible with my life. Men will enormously profit in the future from my pains and trial now to enact what I came here for. You..... what will mankind reap from your life, your existence? What have your given and and persued for a better world? How have you sweated, labored, and repressed for it? How have your neighbors? Do not begin to judge men like me and walker. We are your future, and you can offer us nothing in return.
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Re: Tales From Being Homeless

Postby Contra-Nietzsche » Fri Apr 13, 2012 9:46 pm

I walk around all day, and then find a internet cafe, like the other million homeless in this country. The only incondistency is on your end pretending to have a education and not grasping logistics. I need to charge this sucker up and do job searches. We dint have access to 3 million in dormant bullshit funds like you for a non existent need anymore, which you openly admit you and your husband ran for political office to grasp. Its your job to push the logistical awareness of what your sitting on, and where the pressing need in society is. That money can be used to get many people back on their feet, or prevent home forclisures, etc. You systematically chosen a path that requires no motivation or progress forward.

Lets turn the magnifying glass on your criminal nature and roast you for a while. How many people have you certainly saved the life of? I have 1 confirmed absolute. How many have you gotten off the street? I have Three with absolure certainty. How many have you stayed up with in a emergency room half the night, making sure he was compentently diagnosed and given a plan for having surgery? How many greyhound fairs have you paid for
someone to return home. How much food from your own dwindling stock have you given to the hungry? Have you shown people safe places to sleep? Have you comforted the inconsolable? Heard a mans delusions out to come to terms with the kernal of his pains? Have you seen someone who was hysteric and didnt belong in the least in their situation and engineer a way out for them? I can account for doing these things, before and then during my time on the streets. A character of a person isnt tested from spacial distancing or abstraction, but the concrete actions of engadging a dynamic and dangerous world. I have failed at times. I saw first hand the heartbreak of a entire people at the height of their torment. I saw men by the thousands fail in love and relationships all at the same time. I also have seen entire neighborhoods populated by non breeders hogging the last once of economic liquidity as the poor were tormented and fucked with. Utopian universities as insulated as you can imagine seperated from the pain around them..... whose students only labor was working a cafe with multiple piercings and then followed up by a job poorly educating the youth, or similar bullshit, non effective government job.... ehos sole exposure to the poor was the bus or train the took to class,or the door lock they click whenever one crosses a corner they are waiting a red light on.

And you wonder why your class is systemmatically dying off, as if it was the movie 'Children of Men'. Look at the meat grinder that is Vancouver..... everyone is disengadged from their reality, from their society, by the carrot on the stick of socialism and security. The population statistics are frightening, the current population is systemmatically dying off. From simply not reproducing anywhere near enough to maintain population stability. I assure you, a angry distrustful hobo like Walker isnt going to make this mistake. And yet a large part of our highly disfunctional population is doung just that. Once, it was just places like The Castro in San Francisco.... now it doesnt even come close to beingbthe top. We have in the heart of every city a decadent, perverted core that puts all its trust and promises in going after the rewards and job placements they were promised since school, and then proceed to non reproduce, or if they do, the kids always deformed and dying of cancer. There were no deformed kids dying of cancer in my neighborhood growing up because my neighborhood never attracted such degenerates in the first place. We are a much more impassioned and penetrating population.

Right now, were going through a massive darwinian selection. My line and walkers prove philosophy and intellectual studies will not die off in our community. If anything, its dying off in your class.... the fear, rejection, and xenophobia is systematically reducing that very community. Your gated communities is reducingbthe scope and ratio viability to compete. Your logic, syllogisms, and retreat to a so called orthodox reasoning will not stem the tide. You and your people want to die. Its comming, and every ecxuse you offer to the otherwise is irrevelent. Your dying..... in the meantime, appreciate the peace we let you die in..... for other, wiser civilizations would of slaughtered your lot by now, and dont annoy us with your point of view or crying as to why we cant fit into your system and succeed in it like you. Its because on a genetic and instinctive level, we knew not to submit, to sign away our lives, to persue our own damn the consequences. The reward? Our descendents get the cities, and yours get the nirvana of extinction from never existing.

Enough of your excuses and inconsiderations, your distancing and conservation of direct, meaningful action. Damn your professional beuracracies, your abortions aimed at the poor and the carrots you sickos dangle before us. Were quite capable of advancing minus you. We built this country from the sweat of our labor, the felling of trees and the mining and cattle runs and breaking feral dirt into agricultural gold. It wasnt till your paracite of a species arouse that tried to systemmatise it all, causing dustbowls in the prarie or the dtying up of the aral sea. But dear god, glibal warming thats been happening since the last iceage is suddenly the new religion everyone needs to change every aspect of ourselves and hide in eco isolated gated communities or ultra rural satillite communities outside of the city core with. Fuck that. Nothing is going in my ass, I will not go and get a masters degree so I can teach what I already know to those who can never be, or die in fear and isolation for the sake of a den of aesthetic serenity. Its a disturbing way to live. Iblive the way my ancestors have since the beginning of time. My instincts are sound, and my depth of grasping the circumstances around me without paralell given my dedication to inquiry, direct study and systemmatic intervention. I am doing something absolutely incredible with my life. Men will enormously profit in the future from my pains and trial now to enact what I came here for. You..... what will mankind reap from your life, your existence? What have your given and and persued for a better world? How have you sweated, labored, and repressed for it? How have your neighbors? Do not begin to judge men like me and walker. We are your future, and you can offer us nothing in return.
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Re: Tales From Being Homeless

Postby nameta9 » Fri Apr 13, 2012 10:02 pm

ead the blog, all of it:

http://instantsingularity1.blogspot.it/

and

http://instantsingularity3.blogspot.it/


THE EIGHT MAN HAS SPOKEN ONCE AGAIN

and read all of nameta9 post on www.ilovephilosophy.com, inside out, very carefully, you have your "Hard Work" cut out for you, and study it all very carefully....
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Re: Tales From Being Homeless

Postby James L Walker » Sat Apr 14, 2012 2:00 am

Well said Contra and Nameta.
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Re: Tales From Being Homeless

Postby James L Walker » Sat Apr 14, 2012 2:04 am

lizbethrose wrote:
James L Walker wrote:To Liz: Go up to the many homeless in the Seattle area. We had another nickname for the city there other than how all the urban yuppies perceived it to be.

We called it the city of damnation or the city of the damned.

Great city my ass. Great for whom?

Do you even know of the suffering that exists in your backyard. I bet your clueless like the rest.


Dear James--I never called Seattle a great city--I don't live there and I think I've said that I dislike even going there. Nor am I saying that being homeless has derogatory connotations. I haven't said, as many other people have, that it's an abasement of anyone if they're found homeless--or that they could have avoided homelessness if they'd made 'better decisions,' 'worked harder,' or whatever excuse is given.

I think I've known only one homeless man--a regular at the library who was always treated with respect. He finally agreed, after he almost died, and through the intervention of his aunt who had spent years trying to help him, to go back on his meds and to put himself back into her home. Before then, he slept in the service bay of a garage (which the owner allowed) and got new shoes, umbrellas, and some spending money, thanks to a fire squad in another city.

Yes, some of us know the suffering. Some of us are also aware of the fraud that goes on. That's why our charity monies have to go to recognized organizations that truly try to help. Finding such organizations is often difficult, since so many of them take monetary donations and use them for 'operating expenses.' But we do try, Joker.

I think what I really object to is personae created by people in order to project something, or someone, they aren't, so as to emphasize or give reason to their beliefs.

Misrepresentation will almost always be discovered. It can be as simple as wondering how you, as a homeless man, drifting around the country, own a computer and are able to pay an ISP to support that computer.

It's like contra-nietszche saying he lives in a jungle, on a rainy, uninhabitable mountain in Hawaii--and yet he can post his ideas in an on-line forum. Does he walk down the mountain every day, find an internet cafe, and plug in? Or does he somehow own a super-duper battery that keeps him on line indefinitely?

It's these inconsistencies I question--not your thoughts.


Do not fucking talk to me anymore. I do not like being talked down to and I am sick of your bullshit replies to everything I have to say.

I have no respect for your arrogant conservative mind set.
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Re: Tales From Being Homeless

Postby lizbethrose » Sat Apr 14, 2012 9:58 am

Thank you all. I'd like to be able to change the style of my writing--and I'll certainly try to--so as not to come across as 'condescending' or dogmatic, or presumptuous, or any of the words you've used.

But I would like to set some things straight--for the record--

I've never said anything about 'hard work,' or how hard work leads to success;
I don't live in a gated community--I live in a small town that's pretty much built out so it can't grow larger. My neighbors have all raised, or are raising, multiple children. Our Town is multiracial;
Many of us supplement our diets with what we've grown ourselves;
We've never run for public office. My husband and I are water commissioners, which happens to be an elected position. It's voluntary (although elected) and there's no salary involved;
I don't give money to street beggars, because I usually don't carry cash. We use our one and only credit card for all our purchases which puts a limit on what we spend since we pay off the total monthly;
I learned about the fraud that can go on from my former dentist. He did pro bono dental work on an extended south Asian family, then learned that they'd purchased lake front property. On the other hand, I've tried to help the homeless by offering them simple jobs like helping me with garage sales, cutting the grass, etc., but they weren't interested--and, again, I learned that some of them had earned enough money through pan-handling to buy homes;
I don't know how many people have benefited from the food drives I've given to, or the Toys for Tots local programs I've been a part of. I do know that we give monthly money to organized charities through automatic withdrawals. The charities we've chosen are the ones who take the least for operating expenses. And the charities themselves limit any participation to money only donations;

I could go on, but I really don't have to justify my life. I'm a registered Democrat--far from a right-wing conservative--although our Town is predominantly Republican. But no one I know here is right-wing or neocon at all.

When I first read your posts, I thought of them as personal rants against the Establishment. I still hope they were; you were certainly mistaken in your understanding of me, if they were directed at me, personally.
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Re: Tales From Being Homeless

Postby nameta9 » Sun Apr 15, 2012 12:16 pm

IDLE TIME

There has never been a time in history when people have had the least possible real work to do, millions of people totally idle and living da vida, and in fact what is left is status games, power struggles, and the value of past work in the form of real estate, and in fact this present economic crisis was born from the real estate prices going up in the USA and hosing everyone: but there is a reason, since nothing else of any value is being produced anymore (can be produced anymore as the Technological Economy has eliminated any real work for most of the USA, EU and JAPAN and is marching on to eliminate it in China, Brazil, etc. through Automation, Economy of Scales, Technology applied to producing goods with as little labor as possible and such, etc.), since no labor can give any return anymore, no matter how hard they all try to fake it in their fake comic book world of "Hard Work" in the Skyscrapers (always "working" 24 hours a day, always checking emails, always meetings, always talking, never really producing anything of any value except hot air and make believe activities, the less real work they all have to do the harder they have to fake it and invent all kinds of "problems" and "emergencies" and arbitrary schedules and arbitrary fake "make work" just to show that they are actually doing something, like tons of useless documents, tons of useless computer programs, tons of lawyers and fights, and conflicts and the myth of flexibility, always changing everything to produce activity and not get bored to death, and the myth of competition and all such crap, WHEN OUR PRESENT DAY ECONOMIC SYSTEM HAS ALMOST ABSOLUTELY NOTHING AT ALL TO DO WITH ANY KIND OF WORK AT ALL, GO FIGURE), the only thing that is really left is fights and Conflicts and beating up each other like bored little children who really have nothing to do but want "To Blame it Someone To get back " and such.

And in fact, the less real work there is left to do the more the fights and conflicts will increase, the more the debates will increase, the political fights and debates and all, simply because since they can't figure out why on earth there is no longer any real work left to do, since they can't accept and abide to the Structural Change a Technological Economy imposes on this Civilization, they have to find some other simpler excuse (but with a clear agenda, hose the weaker), like labor is lazy, like they aren't innovative enough, like this and that. And in fact in Spain and Italy and Greece, they think that by changing the "Labor Laws" jobs will come back, how idiotic, they still can't wrap their heads around the fact that jobs will never come back again, because there is nothing left to do (that generates profits), there is nothing worth doing.

And in fact,I have seen buildings that were once offices changed into houses: that says it all, since there is no longer any real work possible, the offices are useless, just turn them into houses, but the houses must be bought by people "with jobs", but who cares, better houses then offices that will never be filled since there is nothing really valuable left to do. They can wait years for the houses to be bought, who cares, but they already know that the offices will never again get filled up and anyways sooner or later some turd will buy the expensive houses because the system is choke full of trillions of dollars, sooner or later that money will trickle down and make someone buy the house and such. And in fact the system has 100 trillion dollars sitting in banks worldwide as a proxy and demonstration of how much free wealth the Technological Economy can produce with so little labor, and the money keeps on increasing, Apple alone is worth more than many countries and such.

And as a corollary: the Technological Economy structurally creates ever more inequality, some winners and many losers, ever more.

And anyways Real Estate is the only game left in town, the prices are always high, even if a company sells 2 or3 houses for 200,000 dollars they got back the money they spent to build 10 houses and made some profits too, they can leave the other 7 houses empty and wait (even for years) until some sucker will buy it (always from past accumulated money, from past work, since there is no possibility to accumulate money anymore in the future work which won't be there anymore, at least for the lower classes) and such.

And then it is obvious how this economy is turing into a minority economy, a few rich who buy all, everyone else poor and a turd and considered lazy and crappy, etc. No longer a Mass Market, but a smaller market only for those inside the special circle of Fake hard Workers and such.

The solution ? Free Salaries to all worldwide, 800 dollars a month, and cheap rents to all worldwide, 200 dollars a month for a 3 bedroom house and such. And large Scale projects, trillions of skyscrapers, trillions of spaceships to Mars and Venus, trillions of high speed trains all across the USA and a huge Bus system of trillions of Buses all across the USA, and Split the Sun to grab all of its energy, and completely change the design of the Man Brain, become another civilization, a new civilization with a new brain and more advanced.

As a side note: you can create trillions of new people and lives by simply programming a standrad "Programmable Man Brain in a Vat" with memories of a fake and imagined life (but fake and real lives are all the same, it is just information which are just random symbols written on matter and such), and machines can create an Instant New Person, a New Creation on the Spot, in a Jiffy by inserting random and nay, even experimental memories and lives and life stories in the brains and such. Maybe you too are an Instant Person that has been created only the last 2 seconds, in a jiffy as you are a BRAIN IN A VAT WITHIN A SIMULATOR AND ALL OTHER BRAINS ARE THE SAME, JUST A MEMORY SEGMENT IN THE ALIEN'S COMPUTER, TRILLIONS OF NEW PEOPLE AND MINDS, NEW LIVES, NEW HISTORIES NEW EVENTS...

TOBOR THE APESTER MACHINE HAS SPOKEN ONCE AGAIN
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Re: Tales From Being Homeless

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Re: Tales From Being Homeless

Postby SIATD v2 » Sun Apr 15, 2012 1:21 pm

James L Walker wrote:
lizbethrose wrote:I think what I really object to is personae created by people in order to project something, or someone, they aren't, so as to emphasize or give reason to their beliefs.

Misrepresentation will almost always be discovered. It can be as simple as wondering how you, as a homeless man, drifting around the country, own a computer and are able to pay an ISP to support that computer.

It's these inconsistencies I question--not your thoughts.


Do not fucking talk to me anymore. I do not like being talked down to and I am sick of your bullshit replies to everything I have to say.

I have no respect for your arrogant conservative mind set.


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