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Atheists: What would it take to get you to believe in God?

Postby Mutcer » Thu Apr 12, 2012 9:22 pm

If you are an atheist, what would it take to get you to believe that God (or a supreme being) exists?
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Postby Stoic Guardian » Thu Apr 12, 2012 9:29 pm

I'm guessing their answer is "Extrordinary, Hard Scientific Evidence".

I'm not an Atheist but I've conversed with Atheists enough to understand why they don't believe in God.

Oh and I'll ask another question i'm sure they'd ask, "What would it take to get you to not believe in God?"
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Re: Atheists: What would it take to get you to believe in Go

Postby Stoic Guardian » Thu Apr 12, 2012 9:33 pm

Oh you asked this yourself, nevermind. :-"
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Re: Atheists: What would it take to get you to believe in Go

Postby Mutcer » Thu Apr 12, 2012 9:46 pm

Stoic Guardian wrote:I'm guessing their answer is "Extrordinary, Hard Scientific Evidence".

I'm not an Atheist but I've conversed with Atheists enough to understand why they don't believe in God.

Oh and I'll ask another question i'm sure they'd ask, "What would it take to get you to not believe in God?"

What would that evidence consist of?
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Re: Atheists: What would it take to get you to believe in Go

Postby Stoic Guardian » Thu Apr 12, 2012 9:49 pm

I dont know.
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Re: Atheists: What would it take to get you to believe in Go

Postby BUFFALO » Thu Apr 12, 2012 9:57 pm

It would be exceedingly easy. Any selection of the kind of real, physical miracles related by Moses in the Old testament would do. But they would have to happen in the same way that Moses told the story and I'd have to be there to witness it. I mean, back in those days, the Big Guy sure didn't have too much problem with providing material evidence. Which makes you wonder what was wrong with the Israelites. He gave them miracle after miracle and every time Moses turned around they were partying it up and worshipping golden calves or raising Asherah poles. Boy, if God fried the guy next me for touching the Ark of the Covenant, I think I'd be pretty much right into the Ten Commandments.

Unless, perhaps, the real events surrounding the so-called miracles in the Old Testament were not quite as "convincing" as Moses made them out to be...
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Re: Atheists: What would it take to get you to believe in Go

Postby Flannel Jesus » Thu Apr 12, 2012 10:02 pm

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It's not remarkable that miracles have become astoundingly mundane in this day and age -- so mundane, in fact, that one might even say they could happen without a God at all...
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Re: Atheists: What would it take to get you to believe in Go

Postby PavlovianModel146 » Thu Apr 12, 2012 10:42 pm

Mutcer wrote:If you are an atheist, what would it take to get you to believe that God (or a supreme being) exists?


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Re: Atheists: What would it take to get you to believe in Go

Postby Dan~ » Fri Apr 13, 2012 8:21 am

For me it wouldn't take much.

I would believe it if I said "Hi God", and then I hear "Hi Dan" from the heavens or whatever.

And since he's all powerful, it would be very easy for him to do it.
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Re: Atheists: What would it take to get you to believe in Go

Postby statiktech » Fri Apr 13, 2012 10:51 pm

If God rolled up in a windowless van and offered me candy---I'd believe.

It's not remarkable that miracles have become astoundingly mundane in this day and age -- so mundane, in fact, that one might even say they could happen without a God at all...


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Re: Atheists: What would it take to get you to believe in Go

Postby Mutcer » Sun Apr 15, 2012 5:29 pm

Dan~ wrote:For me it wouldn't take much.

I would believe it if I said "Hi God", and then I hear "Hi Dan" from the heavens or whatever.

And since he's all powerful, it would be very easy for him to do it.

Why do you suppose you would get no response from God if you were to say, "Hi God"?
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Re: Atheists: What would it take to get you to believe in Go

Postby Flannel Jesus » Sun Apr 15, 2012 8:11 pm

i can't tell you why he supposes not, but I suppose not because I just tested it. twice. didn't work.
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Re: Atheists: What would it take to get you to believe in Go

Postby V-OutOfTheWilderness » Sun Apr 15, 2012 8:31 pm

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Dan~ wrote:For me it wouldn't take much.

I would believe it if I said "Hi God", and then I hear "Hi Dan" from the heavens or whatever.

And since he's all powerful, it would be very easy for him to do it.

Why do you suppose you would get no response from God if you were to say, "Hi God"?

I've been saying "Hi God" for decades. And as far as I'm concerned God is deaf, dumb, and mute.

Just because I'm a God addict doesn't mean atheists are wrong ... or are bad people.
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Re: Atheists: What would it take to get you to believe in Go

Postby Mutcer » Sun Apr 15, 2012 8:52 pm

Flannel Jesus wrote:i can't tell you why he supposes not, but I suppose not because I just tested it. twice. didn't work.

I don't recall I asked what would happen if you said "Hi God". I think I asked why you would get no response if you say "Hi God".
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Re: Atheists: What would it take to get you to believe in Go

Postby FilmSnob » Sun Apr 15, 2012 8:55 pm

Lol, god addict! I think you may be the first religious person I meet whose faith I respect.

For me, (and since you say God as if there is only one, I will assume you mean the Judeo-Arab god), I would need to see currently accepted laws of physics clearly and demonstrably bypassed.

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Actually, that wouldn't do it.

Hmm... Pope Benedict VXII would have to be crucified dead and revive after three days, allowing me to place my fingers in the sores of his hands and feet.
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Re: Atheists: What would it take to get you to believe in Go

Postby Flannel Jesus » Sun Apr 15, 2012 11:31 pm

Mutcer wrote:
Flannel Jesus wrote:i can't tell you why he supposes not, but I suppose not because I just tested it. twice. didn't work.

I don't recall I asked what would happen if you said "Hi God". I think I asked why you would get no response if you say "Hi God".

Well, the way you worded it was quite different. I'll explain, listen carefully.
You asked verbatim, "Why do you suppose you would get no response from God if you were to say, "Hi God"?"
As far as I can tell, that's about synonymous with "What's your reason for thinking you would get no response?"
Most English speakers would probably interpret it that way first too. If ya wanna be condescending about people interpreting your questions in ways you didn't mean, be a bit more careful with how you phrase things. That way, next time you condescend to me it might be justified. This time, it's not.

What you're asking now is a different question -- Why you wouldn't get an answer is different from Why you suppose you wouldn't get an answer.

My theory as to why I don't get an answer is because there is no god there to respond.
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Re: Atheists: What would it take to get you to believe in Go

Postby xzc » Sun Apr 15, 2012 11:58 pm

Look at an object in your room and try to disbelieve it's existence there. Look at an empty space and believe, genuinely believe, that an object is there. You can't do that either. You can't choose to believe or disbelieve in something. You either do or don't, so 'I don't know' is the appropriate answer. For some, being terrorized by adults with images and stories of hell is enough to make belief in God stick; later in life some of these believers start arguing for God's existence and pretend their belief in God was caused and endures because of the argument they put forth.
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Re: Atheists: What would it take to get you to believe in Go

Postby V-OutOfTheWilderness » Mon Apr 16, 2012 2:51 am

FilmSnob wrote:For me, (and since you say God as if there is only one, I will assume you mean the Judeo-Arab god), I would need to see currently accepted laws of physics clearly and demonstrably bypassed.

God frequently bypasses physics, by entering and altering physical events in special chosen peoples lives. But only in mythologies.

FilmSnob wrote:Hmm... Pope Benedict VXII would have to be crucified dead and revive after three days, allowing me to place my fingers in the sores of his hands and feet.

Could be done with the proper amount of Belladonna ... but not too much ... or Pope Benedict would be permanently dead.
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Re: Atheists: What would it take to get you to believe in Go

Postby Mutcer » Mon Apr 16, 2012 10:47 pm

V-OutOfTheWilderness wrote:
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Dan~ wrote:For me it wouldn't take much.

I would believe it if I said "Hi God", and then I hear "Hi Dan" from the heavens or whatever.

And since he's all powerful, it would be very easy for him to do it.

Why do you suppose you would get no response from God if you were to say, "Hi God"?

I've been saying "Hi God" for decades. And as far as I'm concerned God is deaf, dumb, and mute.

Just because I'm a God addict doesn't mean atheists are wrong ... or are bad people.

I tried it as soon as I saw Dan's post. I said "Hi God". And naturally I got no response. Either the Christian God doesn't exist, or he certainly doesn't want me to believe he exists. Or perhaps he could be deaf, dumb and mute.
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Re: Atheists: What would it take to get you to believe in Go

Postby Stoic Guardian » Mon Apr 16, 2012 10:54 pm

Or maybe God wants you to have the freedom to decide for yourself whether or not God exists, I mean like a lot of Atheist say there isn't a lot of "Hard" evidence that God exists yet how many Billions of people believe in God?

If God was obivious then you couldn't reasonably be an atheist because it would be too obvious that God does indeed exist.

Also how would you Determine if it were God answering you?
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Re: Atheists: What would it take to get you to believe in Go

Postby Flannel Jesus » Mon Apr 16, 2012 11:29 pm

Stoic Guardian wrote:If God was obivious then you couldn't reasonably be an atheist


And if you can reasonably be an atheist, conceptions of God which involve him punishing humans for being atheists don't make much sense. Not unless God is also a horrible, worse-than-hitler evil sadist.
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Re: Atheists: What would it take to get you to believe in Go

Postby Stoic Guardian » Mon Apr 16, 2012 11:32 pm

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Re: Atheists: What would it take to get you to believe in Go

Postby FilmSnob » Mon Apr 16, 2012 11:34 pm

A million gazillion dollars.
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Re: Atheists: What would it take to get you to believe in Go

Postby Mutcer » Tue Apr 17, 2012 1:20 am

Stoic Guardian wrote:Or maybe God wants you to have the freedom to decide for yourself whether or not God exists, I mean like a lot of Atheist say there isn't a lot of "Hard" evidence that God exists yet how many Billions of people believe in God?

Is it possible the existence of God is measured subjectively?

If God was obivious then you couldn't reasonably be an atheist because it would be too obvious that God does indeed exist.

Also how would you Determine if it were God answering you?

How do Christians determine it is God when they say God responded to them or that God communicated to them?
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Re: Atheists: What would it take to get you to believe in Go

Postby statiktech » Wed Apr 25, 2012 11:31 pm

The same way people determine the gifts under their Christmas trees are from Santa. You asked Santa for those gifts, so surely they came from him ...right?

I don't think there is any real determining factor as such claims are entirely faith based and non-evidential. They conclude the voice they hear is God because that's precisely what they'd like to believe [or would like others to believe].
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