Perhaps philosophy is better understood as a historical event than a science.
Is anybody here enlightned enough to give a relatively short history of what got us here, philosophically?
Start before Plato, if you would grant me that kindness.
History of Philosophy
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History of Philosophy
by FilmSnob » Tue May 01, 2012 5:05 pm
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Re: History of Philosophy
by iambiguous » Tue May 01, 2012 7:30 pm
The study of history starts here:
He who controls the present, controls the past. He who controls the past, controls the future.
George Orwell.
And this philosophy may well have commensed when we were living in caves.
He who controls the present, controls the past. He who controls the past, controls the future.
George Orwell.
And this philosophy may well have commensed when we were living in caves.
Beauty is nothing, beauty won’t stay. You don’t know how lucky you are to be ugly, because if people like you, you know it’s for something else.
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Re: History of Philosophy
by FilmSnob » Tue May 01, 2012 7:31 pm
Very apt observation.
Let it be the preface for the actual histories anybody finds the time to write.
Let it be the preface for the actual histories anybody finds the time to write.
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Re: History of Philosophy
by MagsJ » Thu May 03, 2012 1:19 am
Why most think (or like to think) that philosophy started with the Greeks and Romans is crazy, as philosophy happens whether it is documented or not... it's probably as old as the dawn of humanity...iambiguous wrote: And this philosophy may well have commensed when we were living in caves.
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aes dhammo sanantano Pali: 'this is the eternal law'
The Narcissist exists whereby every activity and relationship is defined by the hedonistic need to acquire the symbols of spiritual wealth, this becoming the only expression of rigid, yet covert, social hierarchies. It is a culture where liberalism only exists insofar as it serves a consumer society, and even art, sex and religion lose their liberating power.
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aes dhammo sanantano Pali: 'this is the eternal law'The Narcissist exists whereby every activity and relationship is defined by the hedonistic need to acquire the symbols of spiritual wealth, this becoming the only expression of rigid, yet covert, social hierarchies. It is a culture where liberalism only exists insofar as it serves a consumer society, and even art, sex and religion lose their liberating power.
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Re: History of Philosophy
by FilmSnob » Thu May 03, 2012 3:04 am
Magsj wrote:Why most think (or like to think) that philosophy started with the Greeks and Romans is crazy, as philosophy happens whether it is documented or not... it's probably as old as the dawn of humanity...
Basically, because the Greeks invented the name.
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Re: History of Philosophy
by MagsJ » Thu May 03, 2012 12:53 pm
I guess that's like many concepts around.. those who labelled them claim their invention - reminds me of kids in a school playground.FilmSnob wrote:Basically, because the Greeks invented the name.
Examine what is said, not him who speaks.
~Arab Proverb
aes dhammo sanantano Pali: 'this is the eternal law'
The Narcissist exists whereby every activity and relationship is defined by the hedonistic need to acquire the symbols of spiritual wealth, this becoming the only expression of rigid, yet covert, social hierarchies. It is a culture where liberalism only exists insofar as it serves a consumer society, and even art, sex and religion lose their liberating power.
~Arab Proverb
aes dhammo sanantano Pali: 'this is the eternal law'The Narcissist exists whereby every activity and relationship is defined by the hedonistic need to acquire the symbols of spiritual wealth, this becoming the only expression of rigid, yet covert, social hierarchies. It is a culture where liberalism only exists insofar as it serves a consumer society, and even art, sex and religion lose their liberating power.
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Re: History of Philosophy
by Faust » Thu May 03, 2012 1:11 pm
The Greeks:
Thales: Everything is water.
Heraclitus: Nope – the soul is fire and water.
Parmenides: Water is real, or we wouldn’t understand the word.
Socrates: I know nothing of water, unless I remembered it.
Plato: My water is realer than your water.
Aristotle: No, it’s not.
More, later.
Thales: Everything is water.
Heraclitus: Nope – the soul is fire and water.
Parmenides: Water is real, or we wouldn’t understand the word.
Socrates: I know nothing of water, unless I remembered it.
Plato: My water is realer than your water.
Aristotle: No, it’s not.
More, later.
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Re: History of Philosophy
by Faust » Thu May 03, 2012 11:57 pm
Medieval philosophy:
God is great. Really great. Even greater than we think He is, because He caused us to think He's even greater than He has caused us to think He is.
God is great. Really great. Even greater than we think He is, because He caused us to think He's even greater than He has caused us to think He is.
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Re: History of Philosophy
by FilmSnob » Fri May 04, 2012 12:52 am
More on medieval philosophy: Everything that isn't God directly is filthy. It is only here so that because it is not God and is Evil.
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Re: History of Philosophy
by Trajicomic » Fri May 04, 2012 11:09 pm
Faust wrote:Medieval philosophy:
GOD WILLS IT!
Nothing is more Evil than becoming Man.
I, Postman will go Up.
Won't you Humans stay Down?
I, Postman will go Up.
Won't you Humans stay Down?
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Re: History of Philosophy
by Contra-Nietzsche » Sat May 05, 2012 8:18 am
Pezer, put down every book you have, and start reading Ibn Khaldun's Muqiddimah
We'll chat after
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muqaddimah
We'll chat after
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muqaddimah
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Re: History of Philosophy
by James L Walker » Mon May 07, 2012 7:17 pm
Technically just about everything can be described as a historical event.
"The state calls its own violence law, but that of the individual crime."
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"Laws are made by governments and are enforced by violence." - Leo Tolstoy-
"I am a disciple of chaos. I like to watch civilization burn and despair." - By Me
"Propaganda of the deed." - Bonnot Gang 1912
"My father rode a camel. I drive a car. My son flies a jet airplane. My son's son will ride a camel just like my father before him."- Arab Peak Oil Proverb
"Civilization is nothing more than a globalized overly worshipped farm where the owners violently and oppressively domesticate other human beings like enslaved cattle enforcing the direction of their labors for their own individual profit."- Random Anarcho Primitivist
-Max Stirner-
"Laws are made by governments and are enforced by violence." - Leo Tolstoy-
"I am a disciple of chaos. I like to watch civilization burn and despair." - By Me
"Propaganda of the deed." - Bonnot Gang 1912
"My father rode a camel. I drive a car. My son flies a jet airplane. My son's son will ride a camel just like my father before him."- Arab Peak Oil Proverb
"Civilization is nothing more than a globalized overly worshipped farm where the owners violently and oppressively domesticate other human beings like enslaved cattle enforcing the direction of their labors for their own individual profit."- Random Anarcho Primitivist
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Re: History of Philosophy
by Doubledip » Tue Jun 19, 2012 11:13 pm
Hello FilmSnob,
I'll try to respond to your post with as much brevity as I can:
Pre-socratic philosophy: Dominated by metaphysical issues, particularly with ontologies which (although largely consistent) were wishful thinking at best( for example, Pythagoras help that objects were numbers. A chair is a "number". What nonsense no?).
Socrates-Plato-Aristotle:
Socrates - Based his philosophy on syllologism and reason.
Plato - Rationalist/idealist.
Aristotle - Empiricist
Roman period: Skepticism, Stoicism, and other schools of little real interest.
Middle ages: Scholasticism. God is amazing and infinitely perfect and all that bollocks.
Renaissance: Philosophy based on reason again. Rationalism; Descartes, Hobbes, Spinoza, Leibniz.
Post renaissance: Empiricism; Locke, Berkeley and Hume - then the romantics; Rousseau - and the German Idealists; Kant, in particular.
1800- 1900: German idealists continued; Hegel, Schopenhauer. Near the beginning the British Utilitarians; Bentham & J.S.Mill. Existentialists; Kierkegaard & Nietszche. Dialetical materialism Karl Marx( & Friedrich Engels) too. Pragmatists; William James, John Dewey, C.S.Pierce.
1900-2000: Logical/linguistic-analytic philosophy; Frege,Russell, Wittgenstein, Quine (later). Logical positivists; countless, but above all: Rudolf Carnap, Ernst Mach, Moritz Schlick. Existentialism continued: Satre. Phenomenolists; Husserl, Heidegger. Absurdism;Albert Camus. Deconstructivism; Derrida.
Philosophers of Mind & Language (Later period): Dennett, John Searle Functionalist, Hilary Putnam; Functionalist theories of mind and externalist theories of meaning.
May have missed a few; particular in regards to modern philosophy. But I wanted to keep it brief!
Can I request that you verify if you deem this interpretation of the history of western philosophy acceptible, before we move on to analysing it?
I'll try to respond to your post with as much brevity as I can:
Pre-socratic philosophy: Dominated by metaphysical issues, particularly with ontologies which (although largely consistent) were wishful thinking at best( for example, Pythagoras help that objects were numbers. A chair is a "number". What nonsense no?).
Socrates-Plato-Aristotle:
Socrates - Based his philosophy on syllologism and reason.
Plato - Rationalist/idealist.
Aristotle - Empiricist
Roman period: Skepticism, Stoicism, and other schools of little real interest.
Middle ages: Scholasticism. God is amazing and infinitely perfect and all that bollocks.
Renaissance: Philosophy based on reason again. Rationalism; Descartes, Hobbes, Spinoza, Leibniz.
Post renaissance: Empiricism; Locke, Berkeley and Hume - then the romantics; Rousseau - and the German Idealists; Kant, in particular.
1800- 1900: German idealists continued; Hegel, Schopenhauer. Near the beginning the British Utilitarians; Bentham & J.S.Mill. Existentialists; Kierkegaard & Nietszche. Dialetical materialism Karl Marx( & Friedrich Engels) too. Pragmatists; William James, John Dewey, C.S.Pierce.
1900-2000: Logical/linguistic-analytic philosophy; Frege,Russell, Wittgenstein, Quine (later). Logical positivists; countless, but above all: Rudolf Carnap, Ernst Mach, Moritz Schlick. Existentialism continued: Satre. Phenomenolists; Husserl, Heidegger. Absurdism;Albert Camus. Deconstructivism; Derrida.
Philosophers of Mind & Language (Later period): Dennett, John Searle Functionalist, Hilary Putnam; Functionalist theories of mind and externalist theories of meaning.
May have missed a few; particular in regards to modern philosophy. But I wanted to keep it brief!
Can I request that you verify if you deem this interpretation of the history of western philosophy acceptible, before we move on to analysing it?
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