Is There Any Purpose?

[turtle]

is there any purpose to the universe????

is there any purpose to life???

There are lots of people who give answers to this out in the world, via books, on youtube, on dvds, etc. What will happen if we give you answers to these questions?

what will happen?????

[turtle]

Bacon is no joke.

what about bacon do you like????

[kuze420]

Like drugs... lol people will sit there all day like I want drugs I want drugs and then they get drugs by whatever means necessary and once they are done they soon say I want drugs I want drugs... A horrible cycle to be caught up in. It is when you no longer desire and when you hold onto nothing that you can grasp everything, If you go throughout your day with no expectations and drugs find you you will continue as if it never happened but your high will be everywhere. I had come to the thought that we must think about our thoughts and such by nature humans should fight their nature. That is our nature. A fractal paradox majigger peanutbutter jelly sandwhich with NO CRUST lol Im high but twas given

How the hell are you high right now
you're brilliant
It's true, it's so true, we must fight our nature to be anything at all
I adore your thoughts

Hahaha thanks lol u wouldnt believe the week ive been having hahaha relates to all of this brought this new light lol

[BUFFALO]

FJ nailed it.

Right out of the box.

[erutxet]

Don't tell me what not to do, erutext. And I love holding grudges and hate and contempt for people. How dare they??? I mean, really? Why are people such assholes and cruel and stupid? Maybe "forgiveness" is your thing, but not mine. I hate forgiveness. I guess that makes me more of an Antichrist than a Christ follower. But Christ is still Our Lord Thy God, AND, I don't know how He had the spiritual strength, fortitude, wisdom, and stamina to forgive people of their crimes. For me, it's all about punishment and revenge. If I love a woman, and she doesn't love me back, then what's up with that? She should love me back, even against her will.

But women don't have willpower anyway, so all this is a moot point. Nevermind anything I just said.

If you want to talk about forgiveness, then THINK about this, okay. How can I forgive people, when I have no faith in them??? I can't.

You can only forgive people of YOUR expectations of them. And my expectations of people, jewchristians, feminine men, women, children, have become very, very, very low. But I still hold onto the hope, that, even though 7 billion human morons live on earth, that there must be JUST ONE out there, somewhere, with infinite potential, spiritual immortality at his or her grasp, and is worth recognizing, lavishing with praise, and dolling precious affection onto.

This person probably is not you, erutext, no offense.


OH, and what you said about the burning, fiery embers of hatred stockpiled in the center of my soul, and heart of my body, well look at my avatar here to the right ======================================>

Do you see that bright picture? If you don't have the fire in your soul, then you have no willpower. PASSION is crucial and critical and absolutely important in life.

We need more PASSION in this world, in our degenerate culture. We need to stoke the fires and fuel them hotter and hotter. We need VOLCANOES. Is your soul a volcano?

Fine, then I don't want to talk with you anyway. Provocation and evocation are very important attributes of philosophy. People have small, tiny little embers, unlit sparks inside their bodies. But why not FAN these? Why not ferment them and inspire them to grow? What we need is a FIRE, a huge, raging fire that nobody can control. THAT is what we need today, passion.

You said "how dare people do you wrong." What do you mean by that? Of course people are going to do you wrong, to err is human. Unless you've done nobody wrong in your entire life, and you've never, ever needed forgiveness, then I think you need to reexamine why you hold grudges and walk around full of contempt. It's an unsustainable way to live. It's depressing. Holding a resentment or a grudge is like throwing a hot coal at your enemy. You usually get burned worse than the other person.

I apologize for telling you turn the other cheek and forgive her. I just felt empathy when you shared your story and I wanted to give you an alternative to the pain. As you will.

God is not human. He is a spirit. And because you were made by God, His spirit is in you. It is not expressed perfectly because you are not God, you are human. That is why things hurt. Your flesh. But remember, pain is just weakness leaving the body. There is great strength in weakness. Why? If two people are in debt to one man, one owing $30 dollars and the other owing $200, which one do you think will be more grateful when the man says they are both off the hook? The one with the greater debt. The one who stayed up for nights worrying about his debt. The meek shall inherit the earth. The most downtrodden, hurt, upset, angry, abandoned people will inherit God's kingdom if they realize God loves them and has a plan for them.

We go through pain because we are not Gods, we are human. We. Are. Human. To err is human. To err is human. To err is human. It's your nature. You attain spiritual peace when you realize your entire life purpose is to fight your flesh, to take up suffering with humility, pride, and love, and offer all your pain to your maker who is watching you and will never leave you and fully empathizes with you.

[Trajicomic]

You said "how dare people do you wrong." What do you mean by that?

I mean no person on this planet should give me the wrong look, or cross my path.

Of course people are going to do you wrong, to err is human.

The humans are detestable, mortal creatures, of whom I want nothing to do with or associate. I strive for Perfection, an ideal that transcends ordinary, normal, mundane people....such as yourself? I'm guessing there is nothing special, different, or unequal about you. You probably are a human, given the statistics of this forum. Most people on philosophy forums such as these, are mere humans who have nothing in common with me...they are predictable, stupid, boring, uninspiring, unimaginative.

Unless you've done nobody wrong in your entire life, and you've never, ever needed forgiveness, then I think you need to reexamine why you hold grudges and walk around full of contempt.

I have never needed "forgiveness" from a higher authority, God, because God is "dead"...according to the Nietzscheans anyway.

You don't even know what forgiveness is, so I'd like you never to mention this powerful concept ever again, around me. If you ever do have a clue about it, then feel free to bring it up, if you can speak of forgiveness with an aire of authority and power. Only powerful, spiritual men have the power to forgive anyway. Forgiveness is a masculine trait, not a feminine one. Women don't know how to forgive, because women don't know "what" to forgive.

Women have no innate sense of justice or fairness. Women learn Justice from men.

It's an unsustainable way to live. It's depressing. Holding a resentment or a grudge is like throwing a hot coal at your enemy. You usually get burned worse than the other person.

You're speaking from experience? You seem young and naive to me, a complete waste of my time. But I will entertain my spiritual associates for now, by responding to you.

I apologize for telling you turn the other cheek and forgive her. I just felt empathy when you shared your story and I wanted to give you an alternative to the pain. As you will.

I do not forgive you. Instead, I hold you to a higher standard instead. Forgiveness is something jewchristians yearn for, and crave. They're so denied forgiveness (because God is "dead").

If you want forgiveness from me....then you need to work for it. You need to impress and woo me. You need to demonstrate Retribution to me. If you do not understand Retribution and Repentance, then you are wasting my time, bending and bowing and pleading for my Forgiveness. I do not forgive just any woman and child. I forgive powerful, spiritual individuals, who demonstrate the proper rituals for forgiveness.

Forgiveness represents a Debt of Blood. Are you ready to spill blood for your Sins??? No? Then you are wasting my precious, precious time.

God is not human. He is a spirit.

He is the spirit, not "a spirit". He is the libidinal force between all masculine organisms. He represents absolute, perfect Willpower, and impossible intellect.

And because you were made by God, His spirit is in you. It is not expressed perfectly because you are not God, you are human.

My message is expressed "perfectly" to creatures, animals like you, because you are my underling who demands respect and forgiveness from me.

But I will not forgive your type, until you Repent for your Sins.

That is why things hurt. Your flesh. But remember, pain is just weakness leaving the body. There is great strength in weakness. Why? If two people are in debt to one man, one owing $30 dollars and the other owing $200, which one do you think will be more grateful when the man says they are both off the hook? The one with the greater debt. The one who stayed up for nights worrying about his debt. The meek shall inherit the earth. The most downtrodden, hurt, upset, angry, abandoned people will inherit God's kingdom if they realize God loves them and has a plan for them.

You mean, the man with the greater debt.....To God.

The actual dollar amount is meaningless. It doesn't matter if a man owes you $10 or $10000000. Money is nothing to God. If the man with $10 is closer to God, then he will become more Grateful to your forgiveness of his debt, compared to the millionaire. If the millionaire is a godless heathen, an unbeliever, then he will be less grateful. Because he is closer to Satan.

We go through pain because we are not Gods, we are human. We. Are. Human.

I am not part of your "We". I exist beyond you, and want nothing, or very little, to do with you.

To err is human. To err is human. To err is human. It's your nature.

This is you projecting your flawed, human, limited nature upon me. This is false. You are painting me with your own weakness and self-hatred, your own nihilism.

You attain spiritual peace when you realize your entire life purpose is to fight your flesh, to take up suffering with humility, pride, and love, and offer all your pain to your maker who is watching you and will never leave you and fully empathizes with you.

Nonsense.

I will pray for your lost soul....I feel you are headed in the negative, downward direction.

[turtle]

is there any purpose to the universe????

is there any purpose to life???

we dont know any known purposes to the universe or life....we make up these purposes all on our own...

[Pandora]

Most people on philosophy forums such as these, are mere humans who have nothing in common with me...they are predictable, stupid, boring, uninspiring, unimaginative.

And yet, here we all are..

...even your majesty is here.

(existence must be absurd)

[James L Walker]

Objective? No. Subjective there is varieties.

[kuze420]

Doing something has no purpose but the doing itself. It is when you can do something but do not do it that it can have purpose because it can ascertain to your purpose that you some how managed to stumble upon. Purpose is self. And like self it can be a lie, an entanglement, a vice, or a virtue... anything is possible, but it's when you decide to do something that you limit the possibilities of everything else. Purpose is a decision, and like a decision it can be wrong, confusing, frustrating, etc... This is where you can see self is a decision. What makes up everything you will ever be is up to you. So ask yourself is there any purpose and then tell yourself it's whatever you want it to be, just know that it's when you give into that desire and take that chance just for that moment you lose every other possible chance there was.
Acknowledge that you are destined to fail and you will fail that much less. Acknowledge that you are destined to have no purpose and you will have that much more purpose. And that is all you need to know your purpose. Your purpose is you will never know your purpose. You will never in your life be able to conceive everything your being has ever done and all its purpose. That is what makes your life so precious. None of us could ever fathom our true purpose.

Why don't you guess his purpose?
Now guess his...
wanna keep guessing?
do ya?
do ya?
do ya?
do ya?
do ya?

[eyesinthedark]

Can Flannel Jeses and Tragicomic both be right?

Sometimes you need a monumental purpose in life... sometimes you just need bacon, it depends on who you are, and what you're going through at the moment.

My only fear is that Tragicomic's monumental purpose in life, will end up being to tell people to have a monumental purpose in life. rather than figuring out what his monumental purpose in life actually is.

As for turtle, he's a lost cause.

[Arcturus Descending]

to love and be loved
its the only thing worth living for

erutxet----you are right on...that is all we have ...

Perhaps that is all you and erutxes see as the purpose of being, little reptile.
But others may feel and think differently.
There was a time when I felt that my purpose, my true and ultimate reason for being on this planet was to learn to love the right way and learn how to let go, which of course are one and the same thing. But consider how this might lead us into deeper territory.

So, wouldn't you say that maybe there could be a greater purpose or reality being served in loving and being loved? Maybe that simply touches the surface of things. That is, if there even is some kind of a concrete purpose or plan. Is that the end in itself, to love and be loved, or a creative means to a particular end that hasn't been discovered yet?

Is anyone being left out in your loving and being loved?

[erutxet]

to love and be loved
its the only thing worth living for

erutxet----you are right on...that is all we have ...

Perhaps that is all you and erutxes see as the purpose of being, little reptile.
But others may feel and think differently.
There was a time when I felt that my purpose, my true and ultimate reason for being on this planet was to learn to love the right way and learn how to let go, which of course are one and the same thing. But consider how this might lead us into deeper territory.

So, wouldn't you say that maybe there could be a greater purpose or reality being served in loving and being loved? Maybe that simply touches the surface of things. That is, if there even is some kind of a concrete purpose or plan. Is that the end in itself, to love and be loved, or a creative means to a particular end that hasn't been discovered yet?

Is anyone being left out in your loving and being loved?

Love is the purpose, the way and the end. What else is more concrete than love. There is nothing to discover, the capacity to love is within us all and the capacity to love is within us all but it has to be activated. Our goal in life is to activate all the love.

[Arcturus Descending]

tragicomic

If you want to talk about forgiveness, then THINK about this, okay. How can I forgive people, when I have no faith in them??? I can't.

True forgiveness is not about having faith in others; it's rather more about having faith in one's self and the ability to let go and go on. Forgiveness is not a means to an end...it is a beginning.

If you were truly 'tragicomic' you would see that.

[erutxet]

tragicomic

If you want to talk about forgiveness, then THINK about this, okay. How can I forgive people, when I have no faith in them??? I can't.

True forgiveness is not about having faith in others; it's rather more about having faith in one's self and the ability to let go and go on. Forgiveness is not a means to an end...it is a beginning.

If you were truly 'tragicomic' you would see that.

Beautiful response in my opinion, I your understanding of forgiveness resonates with me deeply!

To err is human, to forgive divine.
Alexander Pope

Revenge and vengefulness are born out of resentment. Resentment never does its harborer any good. I always say holding a resentment is like picking up a hot burning coal and hurling it at your enemy. Usually you get burned far worse than anyone else, including the person you're aiming at. When you let evil and bad will stew in you it becomes your master ... think freeing thoughts and you become free!

[Trajicomic]

rather than figuring out what his monumental purpose in life actually is.

God descended from the skies, space, and deepest Heavens to whisper my life's Purpose into my ears. Enlightening others as to a brief peak into the nature of Reality, is only the beginning for me.......there is much work to become done.

Many Americans suffer from an "unemployment" issue, a lack and loss of jobs. But what is a Job? What is your purpose, in life? Do you work at a gas station, shoot towel heads from your army humvee in the middle east, do you farm till and toil the land perhaps? Do you work for T-mobile? Do you sell drugs to children?

Where do you think all that purpose comes from??? My purpose, my job, however, is Divine. Some jobs are more "important" than others. But that doesn't mean it's unnecessary for the janitor to clean the clogs of shit out from the toilets. Even that has a tinge of divinity to it, as well.

All jobs are divinely inspired. Every drop of the hammer, and twirl of a drill, has God's Divine Purpose behind it. Every purpose, is divine and absolute in nature.

As for turtle, he's a lost cause.

Agreed

[Trajicomic]

True forgiveness is not about having faith in others;

I'm pretty sure I already said and clarified this.....perhaps you were not reading my Word?

FORGIVENESS begins when you relinquish all your EXPECTATIONS of others, of women and children, and realize that only MEN are truly moral, causal agents, accountable and potentially responsible for themselves.

Once all jewchristians, like you Arcturus, realize that only men, adult males who have a stake in GOOD and EVIL, can accept RESPONSIBILITY, then things will begin to make sense to you all.

Question...What is responsibility? Answer...Responsibility is Expectation.


I only expect things......I only expect GREATNESS from powerful individuals and intellects, young men like eyesblindedbylight. I KNOW, in my deepest heart, that only powerful individuals can "change" anything, potentially. The rest of the world, the other 7 billion humans on earth, will amount to nothing. No potential.

Grains of sand in the desert....countless nobodies unremembered.


If you do not feel inspired, then I have not made my point yet.

[turtle]

traj---do you have a purpose???

[Arcturus Descending]

True forgiveness is not about having faith in others;

I'm pretty sure I already said and clarified this.....perhaps you were not reading my Word?

FORGIVENESS begins when you relinquish all your EXPECTATIONS of others, of women and children, and realize that only MEN are truly moral, causal agents, accountable and potentially responsible for themselves.

Once all jewchristians, like you Arcturus, realize that only men, adult males who have a stake in GOOD and EVIL, can accept RESPONSIBILITY, then things will begin to make sense to you all.

Question...What is responsibility? Answer...Responsibility is Expectation.


I only expect things......I only expect GREATNESS from powerful individuals and intellects, young men like eyesblindedbylight. I KNOW, in my deepest heart, that only powerful individuals can "change" anything, potentially. The rest of the world, the other 7 billion humans on earth, will amount to nothing. No potential.

Grains of sand in the desert....countless nobodies unremembered.


If you do not feel inspired, then I have not made my point yet.

I was inspired....to laugh.
I'll get back to you on this...it is all really very funny. Ah, just an afterthought here... how serious can one truly take someone who has decided to spend his time and energy on writing a movie script about zombies?

Ps. Kindly leave the labeling of myself for myself!!

[Arcturus Descending]

kuze 420

Doing something has no purpose but the doing itself

Then you are wasting your time. Everything which we do has an underlying purpose...reason...meaning.
Perhaps what you meant was that you are detached from its outcome...which doesn't mean that you have no purpose...unless you're a zombie and have no consciousness.

Maybe tragicomic can hire you for his movie. O/K of course but not about the above.

[Arcturus Descending]

eyeinthedark

As for turtle, he's a lost cause.

And isn't that when humanity at times rises up and shows its greatness?
Turn on the light...

[erutxet]

The meek shall inherit the earth. People who find their greatness on earth in intellect, financial success or prestige are already in the throes of all the glory they will ever know. These "sucessful" people will bear the fruit of their labour-- pride, willfulness, self reliance, independence. Some people truly think these are the cornerstones of true life. I do not believe this. I believe in a power greater than myself. I realize that my physical flesh and my fleshy desires are temporal and of this world. If I want to have a stake in peace and serenity beyond the rat race of this world, I will have to become united with my spirit, not money or intellect or prestige, unless a nice car and sex are what my primary goals in life are. My goals are serenity and peace and love. And so, because Love begets love, and evIl begets evil, pride begets pride, intellect begets intellect, I will lOve others and be peaceful in order to beget those things. I won't participate in the rat race, I do not want th fruits of that labor. I want something more than to satisfy my flesh. I want to satisfy my soul. That is my purpose in life. My purpose in life is to use my body as food for the spirit, literally. Use my flesh as meat, vegetables, soy, milk, goodness, love, charity the virtues in order to feed my SPIRIT. If I eat well my bOdy is healthy and strong. If I practice virtue and feed my spirit goodness I will nourish my spirit and be closer to god. This is my purpose.

[kuze420]

Doing something has no purpose but the doing itself. It is when you can do something but do not do it that it can have purpose because it can ascertain to your purpose that you some how managed to stumble upon. Purpose is self. And like self it can be a lie, an entanglement, a vice, or a virtue... anything is possible, but it's when you decide to do something that you limit the possibilities of everything else. Purpose is a decision, and like a decision it can be wrong, confusing, frustrating, etc... This is where you can see self is a decision. What makes up everything you will ever be is up to you. So ask yourself is there any purpose and then tell yourself it's whatever you want it to be, just know that it's when you give into that desire and take that chance just for that moment you lose every other possible chance there was.
Acknowledge that you are destined to fail and you will fail that much less. Acknowledge that you are destined to have no purpose and you will have that much more purpose. And that is all you need to know your purpose. Your purpose is you will never know your purpose. You will never in your life be able to conceive everything your being has ever done and all its purpose. That is what makes your life so precious. None of us could ever fathom our true purpose.

Why don't you guess his purpose?
Now guess his...
wanna keep guessing?
do ya?
do ya?
do ya?
do ya?
do ya?

Hmmm no one read this watevs lol thts its purpose i guess

[Arcturus Descending]

Trajicomic

True forgiveness is not about having faith in others;

I'm pretty sure I already said and clarified this.....perhaps you were not reading my Word?

This is what you said:

If you want to talk about forgiveness, then THINK about this, okay. How can I forgive people, when I have no faith in them??? I can't.

You're making the possibility of your forgiveness of someone based on your negative attitude and their actions in the future. You don't need to have faith in others to forgive. All you need to have is an open heart and compassion. And faith in yourself that no matter what has been done to you, you can forget it and move on. That is not dependent on their actions but on your mindset - and humility. To forgive does not mean to allow one's self to be a doormat, to continue with negative responses and actions towards one's self. It simply means to let go and go on with your life, wishing the other well. If the other continues in the same old way, love and self-love does not dictate that one allows the abuse. I may not have expressed that too well.

FORGIVENESS begins when you relinquish all your EXPECTATIONS of others, of women and children, and realize that only MEN are truly moral, causal agents, accountable and potentially responsible for themselves.

The first part of this is true. That's what I was basically speaking about above - but it involves more than relinquishing our expectations of others. There is also a difference between 'expecting' and 'hoping' . There is nothing negative about hoping, as long as that hope is based in reality and perhaps released for a later date. But true forgiveness DOES NOT have to be ONLY in response to the other's remorse.

I will ignore the second half of that statement because I realize you had to be kidding. Even a chimp, with far much less intelligence than you yourself [hopefully] have, could see the absurdity of it.

Once all jewchristians, like you Arcturus, realize that only men, adult males who have a stake in GOOD and EVIL, can accept RESPONSIBILITY, then things will begin to make sense to you all.

Do not label me. Who was the woman who beat the consciousness out of you? This truly is tragicomic. Don't know whether to laugh or cry here.

Question...What is responsibility? Answer...Responsibility is Expectation.

No, it isn't expectation. True responsibility is the capacity to act (or to respond) positively, with self-awareness and full consciousness. It has in mind, insofar as it is able, what is for the greatest good - which is not always the easiest thing to know and understand.

I only expect things......I only expect GREATNESS from powerful individuals and intellects, young men like eyesblindedbylight.

Define 'powerful'? That word might conjure about another word - despotic!

I KNOW, in my deepest heart, that only powerful individuals can "change" anything, potentially. The rest of the world, the other 7 billion humans on earth, will amount to nothing. No potential.

You're so funny.
Anyone can change anything, potentially. Anyone - okay let's say most, who have the potential and who have been given the opportunity and/or is in the right place at the right time, can make a difference - either in a constructive positive way or a destructive chaotic one.

Grains of sand in the desert....countless nobodies unremembered.

But there are always some who remember. You are also one of those grains of sand tragicomic who make up that beach.
And there are many of those grains of sand who did make a bit of a difference - we just never hear of them. How important do you think it was for them to be remembered - to feel famous or infamous - as opposed to knowing or intuiting that they did something which made some kind of a contribution. Haven't you ever read an article or perhaps even seen a move or read a piece from a book about this particular person who seemed to go unnoticed or unremembered?

If you do not feel inspired, then I have not made my point yet.

And pray tell, what was your point? How would you like to inspire me? What is the truth that you would like me to 'see'? You did inspire me to laugh though.