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Slow John wrote:5. Now what?
Slow John wrote:1. I have my own business. It's unfortunately a marketing business.
2. I wasn't referring to jargon in marketing per se, but more in regard to the trades and meetings, which make up most of a marketer's life, and consider that much of marketing these days is B to B, where jargon is fully rampant and needs no explanation as to why.
3. Everything you said was of course smart. Especially the ga... part. Wise you did not finish that word. That guy scares me. If he were around today he'd tear me several new ones for what I did to his legacy and potential, by breaking character and devolving into the writer of slutty prose, i.e. one who will write fuckin' anything, without discernment of what's mediocre and what's gameritorious.
4. There is nothing fun about marketing for me anymore. I am retiring this year since even though I hate it I'm so good at it that I can retire at a very young age.
5. Now what?
First, why do you give a fuck what other people think? Why do you need anyone's approval but your own? Of course this is just a suggestion, but it seems to me that until I've answered those questions, there isn't any way forward - or backward, sideways, or any other ways. If I define myself by all the externals then there is precious damn little inside. You're more than a shiny shell basking in the approval of all around you. So just part of answering those questions is accepting that there is an inside, and it's inside that all challenges truly exist.....what I need is a challenge that matters, a fire under the ass that nobody is going to light and I ran out of matches a while ago, matches for me being giving a fuck what people think, needing approval.
there are always a few who have the sensitivity to see that tentative has something going on. They may not know WHAT the hell that is, but it is there. That is the connect, and there is never enough, but maybe just enough to keep me going.
Slow John wrote:There's a lot there to think about. I'm going to reread it a few times and for a few days and see if I can gain some clarity and respond, but it's already good medicine. No, I wouldn't push the button. Would you?
knowing this creates the necessity of re-invention if we wish to continue being curious and creative. Few are willing to accept the challenge. Most give up and fall into bowling leagues and reality TV. Re-inventing ourselves is hard work.
The best I can offer is that art is authentic when I can sense that heart/mind have collaborated and that bitch muse has favored me
I haven't mentioned my creative efforts, mostly because the content is irrelevent. It is the process that's important. I know that I'm being a creator when "I/Me" disappears and there is only the flow of the process. From that comes the authenticity.
there are always a few who have the sensitivity to see that tentative has something going on. They may not know WHAT the hell that is, but it is there. That is the connect, and there is never enough, but maybe just enough to keep me going.
creativity evolves and comes and goes in conjunction with our evolving life cycles
If you're comfortable and know how it ends, you're already dead. Being curious, being creative, is being uncomfortably ALIVE, going places you've never been, not knowing how it will turn out. Is that a good definition of authenticity? Is it accepting the triumphs and failures that come of just being alive? I suspect that might be it.
Me? I wrote something chock full of wisdom? No fucking way. All I was doing was trying to bring forth YOUR wisdom since it's the only wisdom that counts. I haven't got any wisdom yet, but I'm working on it.When I said I was rereading, I meant your post chock full of wisdom, not the book by Ernest Cline.
Oh yes. The process that takes us beyond the daily mundane busy-ness. This probably isn't much help, but I found that my bursts of creativity came when I stopped looking for them. I can't say whether its works for anyone but me, but creatvity always alternates with dry spells where I'm almost numb to thought or doing jack shit. But being a curious-about-everything bastard, something pops into my pea brain and then it's dog on a bone and "I" disappears along with all the nagging uncertainties of frail humanity. The difference is living instead of merely existing. Being in a creative time and mode is glorious, but I think that the dry spells are an integral part of that process. If I were creative all the time, how would I know and appreciate the difference?For me this is falling into daily rituals that involve upkeep (parenting, household, exercise, etc.) and diversion (TV, web, books, gabbing with friends). The hard work has more to do with getting caught up deep in the fray of one of my own creations and producing something eye-opening, whether it's music or writing. This used to be how I define myself, and how I derive a sense of place in the universe. I recall several times a palpable loss of fear of death or self-consciousness of any weaknesses or regrets, while caught in the throes of creative work. So many reasons why I need to find something like that again.
Sometimes, it's possible to let mind run away with us and we don't listen to our heart. This is particularly true when we are young and haven't the depth of life experience to tell us that balance is needed. As we gather experience, we "mellow", which is good and bad at the same time. As we move through our life cycles, we always bring with us the preceding experiences. It can bog us down if we let it, or it can be an invaluable resource if we're up to the challenge. We can remain creative, but it is always a different sort of creativity. If we can make an error, it is wishing for, or demanding the same simplistic creativity of our youth. Re-inventing ourselves just might include re-defining what is creative in our here and now. As for lining up all three progenitors of creative effort, I haven't any answer. It just happens when it happens. The muse is a real bitch. She'll smother you with kisses and then cut you off for no good reason.Getting all three to line up is the whole thing. I had plenty of mind and muse and very little heart back in my more productive periods. Realizing the importance of heart now, and having it, only hurts more that it can't be served by the muse or intellect that once seemed so overflowing.
Yes. And being on hold is that dry spell. I understand the fear that it may never change, that creativity will never return. But that was the risk we took when we signed the contract. so far, I've been lucky. I wish I could have had more creative periods, but I've had enough to get by. I think you will too. This conversation is a pretty strong indicator that your down will turn into an up of some kind when it is ready. Our worlds are not cast in stone. Novelty and sponteneity is part of life - thank goodness.I suspect there's more to it than being uncomfortable. It's being comfortable with being uncomfortable. It's relinquishing something but seizing something else in the process. It's that seizing that has been on hold, on delay, and eludes me...and it doesn't feel authentic. It feels cowardly and dishonest somehow. It's naive to think that honesty is merely a choice. Like a stroke victim learning to pick up a spoon, it can be a challenge.
Mundane RL is calling...
Just a little to ponder.. After all his success, Haliday created the easter egg of all easter eggs. What did he rely on in his creation? Answer: his past. His childhood, his teenage years... His past became his most artful expression. Perhaps mining our past holds some potential? Does 'getting back' our creativity involve any part of getting back?tentative, I appreciate your time and thinking on this. your bit on mellowing and how that figures into the artistic life has really shed some light on a line of thinking that I'm going to pursue for the time being.
OK. Thanks for the tip. I want to ruminate on Kline a bit longer but I'll follow along. I'm getting a lot out of the perspectives you're presenting. But you'll have to be patient. I'm an old man and slow on the uptake.One of the writers on Thrones wrote another book, possibly far more cerebral in regard to 80s culture of gaming. Lucky Wander Boy. In many ways a far more profound and quirky read – highly recommended as a double feature to RP1. Very philosophical and deep. DB Weiss wrote.
Does 'getting back' our creativity involve any part of getting back?
I'm an old man and slow on the uptake.
Slow John wrote:Does 'getting back' our creativity involve any part of getting back?
YES. Problem being I tried to go back and do music and martial arts. I tried to "get back." And for a while it worked. To a point. But most of my childhood was comprised of looking forward. And watching TV. And wondering what pussy feels like. Today I still do an astonishing amount of those three things, and oh but if I could say that together these three musketeers of me-ism comprise a sense of moving forward, what a wonderful world it would be.I'm an old man and slow on the uptake.
Isn't it pretty to think so.
But I'm afraid that particular line of bullshit ain't gonna fly with me. You're not an old man to me. You're just tentative. Deal with it.
what wasn't I doing while I was doing that?
Our past experiences may inform us or they may cloud the vision of what is right in front of us.
It's much like looking at the leaves on a tree branch. I've seen them a bunch of times and I know all I want to know about them. But could there be any interesting shapes in the spaces between the leaves?
Memories can be a curse unless we "push the button" - not on the world, but on ourselves.
OK. Busted. I like the old feeble schtick. It works once in awhile and as you well know, misdirection is a useful gig...
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