## Prophetic dreams

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### Re: Prophetic dreams

I used to post certain dreams of mine on a Dutch Jungian website: http://kaleidoscope-forum.org/

The site has since closed down, but was invited by a few members to rejoin after a few of my dreams started to come true in major details, such as the arab spring. Most of my dreams don't determine diddly squat, but a handful have. I had a few repetitive dreams, invovling the same mountaintop temple (of unknown denomination) that I would try really hard to get up to, in the second dream (I think it was number two) part of the path took place in the hills above San Francisco Bridge on the San Mateo side. I hadn't been to San Francisco since I was ten, and only at night. I involved me climbing up a sliding hillside after the steps ended, at a certain altitude where I could look down and see the bridge, but still climbing up before reaching the top and moving through a weird industrial area where white cloth were being run through red liquid in spinning stainless steel pools, round and around.... and I thought I had something to do with making it, but didn't recognize the design and purpose.... before pressing higher to the temple where I was late in arriving, everyone else had already left.

I physically moved to San Francisco later on, as in my dreams, it was the only sure point of reference I had. I dumped my stuff on a hillside between the golden gate bridge's highway and a industrial area near Crissy Field above the Army's old Japanese Lnaguage School, and tried tp walk to it. After discovering the sea lever route wasn't any good (it was, just didn't know how to get there using it then) I made it to the bridge, walked across it, and started looking. What I saw was at the very level my dream occured at, a caterpillar excavator was flattening out the very area the dream took place in- previously to that damn near very moment, the very location my dream took place in was underground. One of the forum's members said it looked like Wine Country- the machines used for processing the wine, but I've never seen them, because I've never been that interested in them. Wine country for me is a place where cheese is made, and never bothered to learn the details of liqour manufacturing, as I don't drink.

So I made damn certain I would never head that way. In reality, I wasn't too late, but too damn early. It's been pointed out before by friends I am really stubborn in rejecting causality if I can see it comming and dislike it. Of the three temple dreams, it was my least favorite in showing up to a empty place.

My oldest dream I remember of this type is one occuring in Alaska, I'm on the western coast, moving up on Russians landing there in the winter. I have on a wooden visor, and am wearing the bare minumum in gear, and throw a explosive spear from a altalt at a vehicle, and immediately before it hits start shooting at guys. Later on when I was in the army- years later, I was sent to Alaska.... and was a little concerned about this dream for obvious reasons. It never happened, but was a few months ago offered a job watching a cabin in western Alaska, keeping it's generators going in the winter. The superstition of this dream caused me to decline it. That, plus the naked cabin fevor that would enevitably overcome me.

The details of the Arab Spring dream are deeply insightful, and paralelled the Ivory Coast-Libyian debacle exactingly..... except in key details. It's the reason why I've always payed very close attention to the Air Mountains. In the fall- roughly the time the website I linked to shut down, it was at a fever pitch for me, and pissed off alot of analysts and enthusiasts there. That spring, it struck with a vengence. Like I said, the site is back up on another forum, and I'm invited back, but at this point, I feel weirded out by the accurateness of the dreams, and even more- I feel certain detailes of it not fulfilled, one of which involved me, will come through. In fairness, I am a bit knowledgeable of the whole area NOW, but not when I had this dream. It was egotistically shattering in a sense that it would all be my fault (it's how the dream came out) but now the main wars have happened in the Ivory Coast and Libya.... it's not nearly as incriminating as it was.

Another dream I had was back in early 2009 I think it was. It was me hiking down through Cincinnati, into Kentucky and Tennessee..... and then suddenly I was in the Gulf of Mexico. I was walking along the shore, and knew it was enevitable..... the time I was running away from had finally arrived, and I would live up to it to the best of my abilities. I got into a ship, and went out into the ocean, and headed out. I con't remeber the details anymore- had it written on that site- I think someone fell in, and I dived in, and couldn't reach her..... and started sinking down into a deep darkness. It wasn't like water, and I felt I was dying.... and then I was very still in thick darkness. I knew in my last memory I wouldn't be remembered going there, everyone wouldn't begin to guess where i died.

Well.... that BP oil spill happened later on, and decided against my impulse to go there and help with the cleanup. I still can't shake it..... the feeling of assurity i have that that place, exactly like that- is how I am going to die. It's pressed in me with a surity I can't break no matter the amount of reasoning I give against it. It makes it easier to take unconsciousable risks now.... the sort of stuff the average person wouldn't undertake- stuff I usually wouldn't. I might get injured or introuble, or trapped in some nasty place where I will rot, but it never quite feels like what I will meet my end there. There is a finality I am approaching, and I don't kow the date of it, but I know the place.... and know I will hit it head on, pushing myself the best I ever would despite the consequences. In the meantime, I can strive to do the things I'm too afraid to do. Outside of heading to East Africa or Climbing that hillside in San Mateo, fuck that shit. but everything else.... yeah.

A few other dreams, such as descending backwards on a spaceship in low orbit back into re-entry, I was able to find similar structured dreams in a few other guys..... the Brit 'Robuccus' had a few similarly structured dreams..... to the point the Dutch and the Santa Monican dream Therapists both seemed a bit odded out by, as neither had encountered out dream structures in the past, despite the great similarity we and a few other guys had in overall themes and details.

Anyway, my overall dreaming capacity has dramatically warped in the last few months. In the period above, they could still be interpreted by classical means, but now.... I think my dreaming state is post-lucid- it's a bit more aware that it is a dream, and has awareness it's lacking in certain functions, and just seeks to complete what I was working on during the day- I can get stranded, consciously none stop, on the same intellectual problems, sleeping or waking- for days now at a time, and it causes headaches. I've had a total of six normal dreams in the last two months, and only two of them was uninstigated. The last four have occured the last four nights because it occured to me I wasn't have any sex dreams, just mind numbing engineering solution to problems dreams.... so I've gotten more sex dreams now. Still no twins. I want lustful twins deeply desiring to do unchristian things to me, and I want it to be prophetic. If I get the twins, in dreaming then in real life, I might be willing to finish that climb at the Golden Gate. I'm willing to bargain with the fates here, just let me know- signal me or something. Until then, I'm on strike.
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### Re: Prophetic dreams

I think that's a fair assessment. It felt extra odd for me, but I can't convey how odd to another person. The whole life is a dream saying took on a proper meaning for me. Like a hyper dream.

Anyway, since I dont know why it happened, I accept how you rationalize it to some degree.

Right, well, you may believe whatever you wish, you don't necessarily have to wait around for the likes of me or anyone to validate your experience. If the surreal, 'inexplicable' feelings accompaning the event are what pushies it over the edge for you from fiction to fact, then by all means. I'm not going to lie to you and say I'm not in the least bit swayed, but I don't think there's anything objectively conclusive/definitive going on here, you'd need a lot more than that to be certain.

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### Re: Prophetic dreams

Ok I am well versed in the meanings of dreams, in that I think mostly they are just running over the things in life that are bothering us or are just escapism to avoid it. I am also well versed in people who can not analyse them well.

Keep a dream diary, use it to examine which dreams are prophetic and those that are not. Use them to think about what you are dreaming about in context with when you are thinking about it. No one gives a damn for anecdote, you have one dream in 1000 that by the laws of averages you remembered and actually happened whoop de do. I think dreams are important to us, I think the ideas and feelings behind them make a difference to us. I am just not sure that everyone is seeing seven fat cows and seven thin cows every day though.
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### Re: Prophetic dreams

Hi Nano bug! I don't mean to disqualify the above interpretation at all, and it may be perfectly reasonable to assume, that it is a valid picture of what is going on in the dream. However, the flow of consciousness, whether in a waking state, or in a dream state offer clues to more then one interpretation. I say this, because, it is an accepted fact, that dreams are not static entities, they are neither linear, nor a patchwork of pictures to be assembled, nor literally interpreted. I say this, because of what is known of the process of dreaming, it's rhythmic, and it can produce deeper or shallower effects. A deep sleep may produce different kinds of visual or verbal clues then those that occur frequently during periods of light sleep, especially towards the time of awaking.

Your dream peripherally, seems to imply the type of literal interpretation as can be made with an often seen foreshadowing of things to actually happen, as it indeed seemed to do in your waking hours. However, it's a good observation, that things, and future happenings can be implied by actual circumstances, if we wait long enough for some kind of analogical situation to arise in real life.

But the dream-consciousness, if it can be called that may have a meaning in-it-self, apart from trying to connect it to some kind of future happening. In particular, the chain-gang, the weapons, the feeling of trying to getting away have meanings that may point to feelings or thoughts, or actual events that cause effects of constraint from which there may be a hidden desire to escape. There may be fear there too, and the gun may represent protection against agents who would try to prevent the escape. I feel your dream may have more to do with past events, which has bearing on your future state of mind, and carried to the future, it seems to connect the dots as far as causation is concerned. If a dream content has something in it that creates the expectation of something to happen or to resolve, it is quite possible that it will set up a situation, where that kind of thing will happen.
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### Re: Prophetic dreams

Even I used to have those kinds of dreams when i was blind. But it stopped when i got vision 2 years back.
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### Re: Prophetic dreams

Because of illness, I had to drop out of college for a year. At home I had a dream in which I saw three African Americans walking on one of the college paths. This was in the mid 1960's. A few days after my dream, my college ex-roomate wrote to tell me that the college had admitted three African Americans. I guess the prophetic dream could be dismissed because I was generally aware of the news about integration. But the dream got the exact number of students correct. And there was no guarantee that a college in the deep South would integrate at that time.
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### Re: Prophetic dreams

What college irrelius? Alabama by chance? They're going to beat Notre same starting in about 8 hours.
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### Re: Prophetic dreams

Do you see things in your dreams, Maia?

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### Re: Prophetic dreams

Pandora wrote:Do you see things in your dreams, Maia?

No I don't have any vision in my dreams.

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### Re: Prophetic dreams

Get yourself a dreamcatcher Smears... they work (albeit by mind over matter) - I chose mine by colour and style so that it was personal to me.

We can definitely pre-empt events Maia, as I've sensed a few myself... amongst other weird happenings

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### Re: Prophetic dreams

In physics i think it's Einstein's Special Relativity Theory that describes that time can go backwards and forwards, ergo timetravel is theoretically possible.

So what would happen in the future could theoretically be teleported back in some form or another.

Before the wild western began, indians dreams of weird iron horses (trains) and spiderwebs (telegrap poles) across the plains.

Once i told a terrible prophecy to a CEO.
your expansion in Europe will fail, your internet (buisness) will fail and you will fail!
Within the same year his 2 major projects would fail as forseen, then 4 years after he was degraded as he was just a bit too creative with the shares and made an illegal transfer. 9 years later he would throw away about 500 mill $and end up with a debt of 30 mill$.

Else i've had many prophetic dreams, one was seeing tall apartment buildings arranged in a circle, a week later i would see something similar in a music vid.
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### Re: Prophetic dreams

Ierrellus wrote:Because of illness, I had to drop out of college for a year. At home I had a dream in which I saw three African Americans walking on one of the college paths. This was in the mid 1960's. A few days after my dream, my college ex-roomate wrote to tell me that the college had admitted three African Americans. I guess the prophetic dream could be dismissed because I was generally aware of the news about integration. But the dream got the exact number of students correct. And there was no guarantee that a college in the deep South would integrate at that time.

Irrelus: in the '80's I had a dream of African huts in some kind of desert environment. When the scene was reversed, they seemd to look like a-bombs exploding. I had a feeling that there was cross relevance or acquaintance with these visuals.

I hope this is not a prophetic dream, and in any case, the future can be fixed by going back (metaphorically) and making adjustments. I am very much a believer in the power of prophecy, conscious, or, otherwise.
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In the Summer of 2007 I kept telling an online pal of mine that I sensed an impending doom that would affect us globally... a few months later at the end of that year the recession hit and people started killing themselves/their whole family over it didn't think it would go on for this long though, or affect my career so directly in the process

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### Re: Prophetic dreams

demoralized wrote:In November I had a dream. I don't remember what it was about, but at the end, a voice clearly said "you will be dead in 3 months". I awoke immediately. It's scary enough to tell people, and I pray that it is not prophetic.

I have since had 2 prophetic dreams

In the first dream about a year ago, I had a sex dream - and later that day I got laid (I haven't had an abundance of sex dreams nor sex).

In the second dream a few days ago, I awoke after a dream to worrying about waking up the dog. My mind was going back and forth with the question "Do I want to wake up the dog?" I heard a voice that said (paraphrasing) "I just want to" (which I believe to be God).. and a few seconds later the dog woke up, stretched, repositioned himself on the bed and went back to sleep.
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### Re: Prophetic dreams

Maia wrote:
captaincrunk wrote:
Maia wrote:Can this sort of thing be coincidence or is it possible that sometimes, more or less at random, we can pick up "echoes" or "ripples" from future events, particularly if they have some personal resonance for us?

many things are "possible" in a trivial sense. but you'd have to describe some sort of mechanism by which this would be possible, and a whole lot of other stuff would have to be false for you to be right

Why would I have to describe some sort of mechanism to make it possible? It is not our responsibility to work out the physics behind something we happen to know to be true from experience.

How do you know it isn't just a bit of gas or indigestion? I am suggesting that without some kind of reflection on what exactly you mean, there's not a lot of meaning in your question.
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