Why the Nazis actually won...

Nice one. A poetic way to see things.

Skakos wrote:

No. The German people were afraid of the Russians because of German atrocities against Russians. The Nazi government was more interested in eliminating Jewish people, Polish, Russian, German, as both an ethnic race and as a religion. But racial ‘cleansing’ was the more important thing to Hitler and his government, not Communism.

People in Greece may kill babies with potential genetic disorders, but not everyone in the US does. Children are born every day with no arms, legs, eyes–the evidence is there, if you look for it. Angelina Jolie and her double mastectomy was making a statement and using her name in the process. There are a lot of women who’ve gone through the same surgery in order to save their lives so they can care for the people around them. The actress has several children and a great probability that, without the surgery, she could have faced–along with her children–a slow and lingering death. That’s a choice many women face.

As for German technical superiority, you haven’t done your homework. Werner von Braun was one scientist among many from many countries who helped develop guided missiles for the US–after the War. During the war, the British developed an airplane that knocked the buzz bombs off course by diving down and hitting the bomb’s wing with its own. It was the Hawker Tempest, Mark 6, and was very successful against the Nazi attack on the UK. The Nazi government didn’t develop a ‘guided’ bomb–it developed a very early drone–a bullet that was aimed and fired. It’s taken over 60 years for scientists(?)–technologists–to develop a piloted drone. The drone isn’t pilotless–it’s controlled by a pilot who just so happens not to be in the cockpit. This goes way beyond technology of 60-70 years ago.

It’s really nonsense to believe the Nazi ideology “won” anything.

Hitler’s problem was communism. Not the whole world. He craved for peace in the West so that he could devote his forces on the Eastern front. Hitler did not kill every English soldier in Dunkerque exactly because he thought he could make peace with them. And he even made attempts for peace with them, even though we like to forget that. German atrocities against Russians came AFTER the war started! Don’t confuse the chain of events here. And what is that nonsense about Greece vs. US ethics? Are you really trying to pass over a rascist argument here? Are the US people better than Greeks? Is that the joke you are trying to say here? Many kids with Down exist in Greece. And is really Angelina Jollie the best argument you have? Wow… I suppose all those abortions happening in the US tell you nothing. And I suppose all the wars and innocent people killed by US bombs also say nothing to you. Let me guess… Vietnamese had it coming because they were… communists. Right? :sunglasses: And no. Werner von Braun was NOT “one scientist among many from many countries who helped develop guided missiles”. He was the one! Try to deminish as much as you like the role of Germans in the US progress after the war. The photos are there to show the truth…

It’s not that the ‘FREE AND CIVILIZED’ world is free of evil, but rather that it contains less evil than the Nazi world.

The winners took what they considered to be good ideas and good technology. The fight against communism was a good fight (for the West). The missiles were good. Medical experimenting on prisoners is generally not considered good. Although there have been many examples of it being done in the West, the practice is condemned when it is revealed.

The war against communism lasted for decades after WWII. I cannot see how fighting a was thousands of miles away from your home is “good”. And the same applies for genetic testing. I am against Hitler but I am also against every westerner trying to pose as a “good man” against all “evil” in the world. Trying to manipulate the people was bad when conducted by Goebbels but it is good when conducted by CNN. The first is “propaganda”, the latter is “information”…

There is a political theory floating around, which subscribes to the idea that with the coming new evolving world, total unification will not exceed the 3 major centres of power : 1 the anglo Saxons in including the Americas 2: the EU. 3:Asia including India

This division of the world into power centres, resemble the notions of empirical, analytical and neo colonial mentalities.

 WW II was about the ideological triumvirate of socialism, capitalism and fascism.  These three can be also correlated with the Soviet empire, the old Holy Roman Empire, and the British imperium.

It is very likely, that the EU is going to come out on top of the heap, as it recovers in less then 100 years from the 100 years of war. Incredibly, Europe recovered from another hundred years of war to live and progress and fight many more.

And finally, which is the country dominating the EU today? It is Germany, and in fact, if this presentation may hold any water, then indeed, the OP’s assertion may turn out to be correct one.

The communists were oppressive to their own people and to the people of the countries which they controlled. If they are not near you, then you have to wage the war elsewhere.

There are no black hats and white hats … all people wear grey hats and you need to decide what shade of grey is acceptable to you.

Trying to manipulate the people is always bad.

Don’t forget that Goebbels is famous for the ‘Big Lie’ - not only twisting the truth but outright denying it. And in Nazi Germany you did not have other sources of information readily available. At least CNN information can be compared to other suppliers of information.

The Germany of the EU is not a Nazi Germany with its particular ideology. If Germany pursues a policy of gaining living space in the east and enslaving the Slavs, then one might consider it a Nazi victory.

It is pursruing a living economic space. Believe me. I live in Greece. I am living it.

What is that?

The Nazis would take physical space. They intended(and partially succeeded) to deport the people from the land, kill them or enslave them. That has the key foreign policy in the east.

Is that what is happening in Greece?

WWII changed all cultures and governments forever.
Next we will be in the age of the resource wars. Those days are coming in our lifetime I believe.
Some people are already trying to prepare and react.

Fascism aspects, those never died. They reformed and were used by both democrats and communists.

He was also reluctant to attck the UK on race based adn then practical military concerns. He assumed that given their racial closeness they should be allies. Further this doesn’t mean the Nazis won. We have more dogs as pets than we did before WW2 and Hilter liked dogs, but this does nto mean Hitler won.

Then the US ‘won’. Russia had the first satellites. Did that mean the Nazis lost?

You can’t take a tiny piece of what the Nazis wanted - which surely was not that the US would be the first nation to achieve something rather than Germany - and then if it comes to pass this means the Nazis won. Just as honors coming to Einstein would not mean that the Germans won.

I have a tiny bit of sympathy here. I do think there is something sick in the way genetics is being conceived,b ut it isn’t, for the most part, being conceived as a set of tools to create a victorious Aryan race.

I think it would have been better to start with this last idea. It is not well supported by your post. The Nazi were a radically nationalistic, racist party skeptical about internationalizing forces. They would be horrified by the world today. The EU for example which directly affects German sovreignty. How much the races mix in all sorts of ways, black presidents, decadent media, postmodernist art - he was already shocked enough by modernist art, imagine how he would feel about MTV and performance art. The world is less like the one the Nazis would have wanted, much less. That certain memes are present in the present that can be found in Nazi Germany - but also in many other places - does not mean that the Nazis won.

Germany is the leader in EU and actually exploits it to its own purposes. In a way it has succeeded to conquer Europe but with economic means. And no matter what the problems tody, it just does not want to give up any of its powers no matter what. Wages in Greece have fallen about 30% in the last 3 years and yet our debt is still rising. Modern wars do not need to have blood…

Nazism is a technique used to cause change and profit.

Those who “win” are not the Nazis, but rather the users.
You guys still seem to have no idea of the purpose of WW1 and WW2.

So, if we redefine the standard meanings of war, enslavement, deportation and murder … then EU Germany is exactly like Nazi Germany. :open_mouth:

Hey, it worked for America. :evilfun:

That’s why top Nazi scientrists got special treatment and were justly rewarded for their contributions to US science.

  1. perhaps communism crashed because its base philosophy was flawed; especially after mechanisation of farming, because then farming requires it’s supporting industries, which in turn require capitalist institutions etc.

  2. hmm, not sure if rockets were before jets, but either way I am sure the Germans didn’t invent it or its originator [ancient Chinese wasn’t it?].

  3. I could point out that the fact western medicine follows Mengele, could simply mean that they are equally as ‘evil’.

I think the difference for modern medicine though is in the nature of it’s practice and application.

Obe

Probably true, though Britain also holds a balance between the states and Europe, are allies etc, china/asia is another player. whoever comes out on top will have to do as they are told as much as anyone else IMHO ~ this as there are many balancing parties involved. That’s the fundamental design here surely? …and can we not ask if that’s a good thing?

Jk; in the end it all comes down to the germans being those good chappies who build our cars for us, and the chinese for most everything else. Jolly good chaps them all. :laughing: hmm I think that was a wrong thing to say. :stuck_out_tongue:

In the end america got wall street [no’s 1] and we got the city of london financial district [no’s 2]. Now guess where much of the worlds money first gets syphoned off!

I wonder if you asked one of the few remaining Nazis, if they would tell you they feel as though they’ve won.