Government is not Economy

Most people seem unaware that the government is not the economy.

If you regulate the economy, taxation, then this stifles and constrains the economy. The economy is positive. The government is negative. The economy is full of people who make money and trade with each other. Business people don’t want the third party in the mix, the government regulations. Instead, people simply want money to change hands directly. This free trade of goods is prevented by the government. Because governments tax people, regulate currency, impose tariffs between national borders, impose laws, licenses, and permits. Overall the government dampens and has a negative effect on the economy.

If you removed the government, libertarianism, then you will create a better system of free trade. But the government has grown in power, bloated, and corrupt. So the government raises taxes, leverages federal contracts, and creates unfair trading practices. Over time, the government competes directly against the economy or “free market”, as is the present case today.

The government pays its government employees through other people’s tax money. If there were no taxes, then there would be no government jobs. So the government does not actually provide “real jobs” to people. The government only offers proxy jobs and with a false sense of security. All government jobs are possible only after the imposition of taxation is applied to real workers. Real workers are the ones who operate private businesses, not public businesses. So private business is a real job. Public business is a false job. Because the public businesses all depend on the private businesses for money.

If you get rid of all the real jobs, real workers, and private businesses, then the government will have nobody to tax. Taxing government, federal workers, is just a double taxation. Their jobs are already created through taxation. So taxing a government worker is a form of internal inflation of debt. A public business is taxed twice. It is made possible after taxing private business. And then it is taxed again by the government, the same institution that created it.

I am for a libertarian society, free trade, free business, and against the government in general.

The government is bad business, and bad for business. The government shutdown was a good thing for business, and a good sign for the economy. The government should shut down more often, the whole system should close down, that way real workers, with real jobs, can get back to work.

I haven’t gotten to minimum wage. But the minimum wage is the best example of how the government imposes itself against private businesses. The government dictates that businesses must pay a minimum wage to employees. But why is this third party the authority? If a worker accepts less pay, pay for the real job, then why should a third party get involved? It’s because the government represents a moral authority as well. The government presents itself as “fair” and just. But I don’t agree with that. The government is not fair or just. And it should mind its own, bad business.

Ultimately, it seems like the government exists to protect economically and financially inept people, from capitalists. Not everybody is a capitalist, and so, the government exists to protect people from having a real job, with real responsibilities. Government jobs are supposed to be “secure”, but are they? No, they’re for irresponsible people. The responsible people are the ones with real jobs, real workers, and this is private business. This is capitalism. If you do a bad job, then you get fired. But if you’re a government employee, a bad job is expected of you. And you can’t get fired, because you can sue.

Let me guess, you’ve got something to do with Freedomain Radio…

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"if you get rid of all the real jobs, real workers, and private businesses "

So you assume that there are enough possible exchanges for full occupation of everyone ? are there millions of real jobs - workers and private businesses that can exchange so many goods, enough so that everyone works for private entities ?

Not so, the governments must hire millions (and the military and many other entities) to compensate the fact that there can and will never be enough real jobs for so many people: and this can be done because the Technological Economy creates enough wealth to distribute a lot of it to people who do nothing.

Oh and by the way, the health care bloat is also a lot of fake jobs isn’t it ? and the education and college bloat is also a lot of fake jobs isn’t it ? and so forth, it never ends…

And give me an example of a real job which isn’t in manufacturing building cars, or in construction building houses and a few others will you.

Don’t put financial industry, they do nothing but fluff (and rip you off), don’t put movies and cinema and entertainment that is also doing nothing only fluff for bored people at home watching TV and so on.

Moralistic you are though…

tard

And I’ve heard this crap 1000 times endlessly repeated by drones who are captivated by Molyneux’s psychological manipulation and salesmanship…

Hey Das,your AVATAR… did you stick wild symbols, signals and chemicals in your brain style ? you are experimenting with your brain, did you crack open your cranium and shove a v8 engine in it and a jet engine for extra measure ? you are an Instant Singularity, how many new universes have you visited, what new wild emotional states and sense organs did you discover by changing all the neural circuits and so on ? how many microprocessors did you shove in your Man Brain that has now become a new processor, a slab of Matter interacting with another slab of Matter and defining all of a new universe and new Information Relationship Sets, etc… brainium abounds…did you make a huge trillion pages long incredibly intricate and complex diagram of a new brain with trillions of new symbols and connections and designs and signals and all kinds of things (trillions of times more wild and complex than those pictures of microprocessors you can find on the Internet) and implement it ? can you imagine what incredible experiences and states and so forth they can generate with a brain made like that ?

There are trillions upon trillions of new combinations you can try out by modifying all of the configurations of Matter in your cranium, go for it, just do it man, do it…

hey kris, are you sick in the head ? I want free handouts, I want free cash, I want other people’s money, who cares about ethic and morality, I am a free entity who is greater than GOD.

We don’t need further Economic Growth, we already have all the growth we will ever need, we need to distribute huge chunks of cash to all so that they can consume baby, consume, and buy like crazy, we need huge projects building trillions of rockets and skyscrapers and all things, trillions of cars, and so forth. There are 100 trillion dollars sitting in the banks worldwide not doing nothing, just being used as a weapon against the have nots in the form of inflated home prices and rents and so forth, nowe just steal that cash and give it all !

What is really hurting the economy is this stone age idea of “having to deserver it”, “having to work hard for it” and so forth: nothing further from the truth, we need to give all the huge wealth a Technological Economy produces out to all for free instead of stifling the economy by an 18th century mentality that still doesn’t see what we have become in the 21st century.

Of course our rich, developed economies will stagnate, the haves already have all they need (the home owners, old spoiled brats) and the have nots will never have anything, so it is this sick desire to punish the have nots with huge home prices and rents, cheap jobs paying little and so forth that is killing the economy and hurting all the poor, not the other way around.

In the meantime, the FED prints 80 billion dollars a month and simply hands it all out to the already super rich and their banks (or so they say so, can you believe it ? can you believe anything ? does it even make any sense ? does anything at all that is constantly being communicated by the news and Internet and books and all kinds of Information make any sense at all ? is any of it true ? what is even the meaning of true and so forth), what thugs, just this alone demonstrates how much free wealth is constantly being generated and should be given out to all for free, UNCONDITIONALLY.

Now go on, inside foul mouth, keep on blaming the poor and keep on sustaining an old fashion mentality destined to kill the world.

GOD

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Real jobs begin with farming and agriculture. Agriculture is the beginning of all societies and civilizations, by the excess production of food. The good, productive, smart, wise farmer creates a surplus. Because he is a “good” farmer, an effective and efficient one. This excess food can be wasted, if unused. So the farmer begins to trade, the basis of economics and finance, for other material goods and services. All economies begin from this, surplus. Finance is a means to create fluid, efficient trading techniques. Instead of trading chickens for plows, the farmers and tradesmen start trading chickens for dollars, and then dollars for plows. The dollar, created out of trade necessity, is the fluidity of the market.

People forget in this postmodern era, that “chasing the dollar” is a dead end. Because the dollar is not a “thing”. It is the representation of things. And when you treat the dollar as a thing, then it will collapse as a financial institution. The “things” are the chickens and plows, not the dollars. The dollar is only the representation of things, representations of chickens and plows.

You should consider getting a new signature for your posts. This one may not suit you very well.

Then don’t read.

Bye.

The issue with government spending is, as we have learned over the past two decades, is that there are really no controls to stop unlimited spending thus bankrupting nations. We have already seen how governments have bankrupt Greece, Italy, Spain, Ireland, Iceland, etc. The flow of money goes to the ultra-rich (the top 10%) while the burden of paying debts falls in the laps of those who have jobs or businesses and are forced to shoulder more or more of the debt burden.

For all intent and purposes, the U.S. and Europe is bankrupt but is kept afloat by the the Central banks who keep printing money (devaluing paper currency and savings) in order to pay for increasing debt. The net flow of money is to the top 1% who basically control the governments and create the laws that insure their ever increasing share of all wealth. The top 1% in the U.S. now own about 40% of the wealth which is the greatest concentration of wealth in history. Ironically, the greatest boon to the top 1% in the U.S. has been the exorbitant government spending which has been for the most part a boon for the ultra-wealthy who net the most.

Exactly, there is no moral accountability in this democratically corrupted society.

So the morally corrupt essentially can bankrupt the nation, pull everything down with it, and then blame the opposing party when the time comes. Notice how nobody even touches the issue of the national debt? That is because there is no intent to pay it back. Because this national debt is a benefit for the government. What does the government care, if the whole population owes this pile of many? It’s not the politicians who owe paying back the debt. It’s the weakest members of society, the poor, the sick, the middle class, the workers. The debt will rain down on the have nots.

The middle class will be destroyed. And the government offers no salvation. Because the government compounds the underlying problem, which is, debt.

The government only offers salvation,
to elect itself into power,
using broken promises,
to further enslave the masses.

Essentially this is what is happening. It actually a worldwide phenomenon. I do not know any country that is exempt. Once the central banks were given unlimited authority to print money it was only a matter of time before the lowlife figured out how to gain control.

Yes, it is too big to pay back. People’s savings will be raided until everyone is in debt and then the bankruptcies begin. It is just a matter of time before we start witnessing the first total sovereign debts (e.g. Greek, Italy, etc.). Then things start falling apart. We saw some of the consequences with Iceland.

Yes, it is very unfortunate. It is the result of concentration of wealth in the top 1% which is the most concentrated it has been in history. If wealth is concentrated, people cannot buy goods and services and the spiral into recession is inevitable.

Yes, this is essentially what is happening.

The government is really just a tool of the ultra-rich whether it be the U.S., Russia, China, or whatever.

“notice how nobody even touches the issue of the national debt? That is because there is no intent to pay it back.”

There is no “debt”, only excess capacity, fee wealth, extra cash, extra money that the Technological Economy generates automatically: if it weren’t so then the debt could have never been created in the first place, the debt really means excess cash that a few have and can loan it out to others and since the system generates so much extra cash automatically without any “work” to back it up, since it isn’t work that must back it up, (by the way, “work” has absolutely nothing to do with how the economy really operates) since there is no longer any relationship of wealth to work since decades, since the wealth - money - extra cash is only a proxy of how much extra real wealth the system generates by using huge economies of scale, huge expenditure of energy, huge networks of transportation, electricity, communications, automation, technology and so forth.

It is all a wrong psychology game expecting the economies to grow and ever more work to be generated in order to pay back the debts, but the economies not only can’t grow with this old “work for it” mentality, the technological economy does away with jobs as a side effect, and while it does away with jobs it keeps on increasing the real wealth of societies that are being concentrated ever more so in the same hands .

And in fact don’t you notice that no one is asking for the money back anyways, this is because they don’t really need the money, the money accumulated and then handed out to others in the form of debt was and is free cash and doesn’t have to never be paid back since it makes no difference, it would be paid back mostly to super rich who could care less for that money, they don’t need it and don’t even know they have it, it is irrelevant for them, hence the debts can keep on increasing forever.

The psychological mistake and the hidden manipulating agenda all the economists and powers that be pratice is that to make you believe that the debt - wealth - money is real, can “run out”, there is ony so much available, “you must work for it”, “you must deserve it”, someone is acting badly, someone is morally accountable and everyone loves this morality police, this blaming someone else on how bad they are and how much debt they generated on how they don’t deserve it: but this just helps to confuse people, confuse their ideas, mix it all up with emotionality, blame, morality, “money will run out”; there is only so much and it will all run out, the resource scarcity myths and so forth: nothing further from the truth, we have loads of real wealth available, enough to give it all out for free to all, and the Technological Economy will keep on generating loads of more forever, the debts are just a joke on you and everyone else, to play morality, blame games and make you all fight each other in vain.

And in truth it is all a fight to redistribute an ever increasing stack of money differently, everyone wants a bigger piece of the pie, it is just a fighting game that has no need or necessity to exists, only a stone age mentality that can’t come to grips with what the economy is now today under the powers of technology.

Free wealth and cash just doesn’t seem to make sense to a civilization that has always lived dirt poor until technology kicked in: we are just in inertia mode, not knowing what the truth is, always believing in 18th century models that are now obsolete, none of it is operating anymore (“hard work”, “deserve it”, “things run out” and so forth, all false - obsolete concepts).

tardyhead

Unfortunately, incorrect. One can lend much more than one has simply by printing more money. One can “create” wealth out of thin air by leveraging (which is what happened in the last housing bubble and is now occurring in every asset class).

Ultimately, the game comes crashing down when debtors refuse to pay back lenders because they cannot survive. It happens in ever serf like system which is more or less what we have today as a world-wide phenomenon. The first country that refuses to pay sovereign debt will cause the whole system to collapse because others will quickly follow. If history is any guide, the governments that declare bankruptcy will be quite extreme at either spectrum.

The point is that the wealthy and powerful elites are racking up debt, in place of the average citizen, not so that they will have to pay it back, but that the middle and low class will have to pay it back.

This is economic slavery, happening in front of everybody’s eyes. And the population can’t do anything about it, since the elites control the president. On top of the fact, the president and the government also has no interest in paying back the loan. Because it keeps the have nots in check. It forces the have nots to obey the government at all costs, or they can start throwing anybody into jail, at any time, for not paying back their debts. Which they don’t have money to pay them back. Because the poor had their money stolen through the creation of these debts in the first place.

It’s quite a brilliant scheme. You take out loans, on behalf of the average citizen, with no intention to pay this loan back, then when and if loans ever come due, then the poor and middle class have no means to pay for it. So the government can throw everybody in jail, if they want to. However that does not solve the nature of the loans, to foreign investors. That’s another matter.

And if the foreign investors demand paybacks, then wars will occur, or other calamities. These calamities will also have to be solved by the have nots. There is never a point in this equation where the elites have to do anything. They are immune to this debt. Therefore, the united states has become conquered through economic means. The average united states citizen, today, is a slave to this national debt. You don’t need to “choose” anything. There is nothing to choose. It is all out of the hands and capacity of the citizen.

Each united states citizen is born into economic slavery, owing X amount of dollars to the federal government. How can you people be so blind? Why am I the only one who sees this, and perhaps, cares? Don’t you people realize what is going to happen next, what the next cycle in history is? Just imagine when people start demanding these debts get paid! I don’t think anybody is thinking this far ahead, except me?

Yes, this is the worldwide phenomenon, most acutely manifesting in countries such as Greece, Italy, Spain, etc. The only reason it is not as obvious in the U.S., is that the U.S. middle class has deeper savings so the Federal Reserve can eat into it for a longer period of time. In essence, the banks and ultra-wealthy are now transferring money from the middle class to the rich. The rich are buying up assets while the middle class goes deeper and deeper into debt. It is just a more gigantic version of serfdom.