So, where is everybody?
Minding their own business.
Perhaps out Christmas shopping.
Sleeping late.
The probability calculations are all wrong. It isn’t an issue of how many civilizations are out there. The issue is how many of them are as infantile as homosapian. There is only a relatively short period between when a life form behaves as homosapian and it gets replaced (“evolved”) into a more mature life form. The more mature life forms last much longer, but aren’t broadcasting I Love Lucy reruns day and night throughout the skies.
I agree that the notion of a constantly broadcasting civilization is flawed. Fiberoptics are replacing broadcast in a very effective manner on Earth, why wouldn’t they elsewhere?
Which is why discoveries on Mars and Titan are so wonderfully exciting. Those suggest that life is every bit as abundant as it ought be.
But still, where is everybody?
check out:
ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopi … 4&t=172411
Fermi Paradox Resolved
Why can’t we see and hear many other alien civilizations assumed to exist ?
Any extra terrestrial civilization or intelligence would have a very narrow window of time to be interested in other civilizations, interest in the outside world, in communicating with other imagined civilizations on other planets before starting to manipulate their own brains, minds, putting chips in their brains and creating an essentially solid state civilization.
In fact the number of universes that a said civilization could explore by self manipulating itself and communicating only with in a limited area of mass - energy, is greatly larger than any number of alien civilizations. And the manipulations of mass - energy interacting with itself (that is what the Technological Singularity is essentially when brains change themselves and start manipulating themselves and talking to themselves) would be similar in any other area of the universe, hence the curiosity for other alien civilizations would not be sufficient: nothing really new could be discovered compared to mass - energy self manipulating itself.
Mass - Energy self manipulating itself would be similar in any other point of the universe, nothing new to discover.
Brains that self manipulate can create all kinds of new informational relationships within themselves: you can imagine, within a cubic meter, trillions of transistors, neural circuits, optic circuits that are exploring simply the combination of Mass - Energy self evolving and expressing itself. Some parts of the cube can evolve at extremely fast and different rates, so as to be creating essentially “alien civilizations” only a few centimeters apart, and interacting, communicating, and exploring all the same.
So what would be found in a small volume of Mass - Energy self manipulating and evolving and interacting with all kinds of combinations and dependent and independent parts, Free Willoniums, Computroniums, etc. is equivalent to what would be found by civilizations that evolved millions of light years away, independently: ONLY THE INFORMATIONAL RELATIONSHIPS AND INTERACTIONS, ALONG WITH, EMOTIONS, LOGIC, NEW BRAIN CIRCUITS, NEW ORGANIZATIONS OF MEMORY, LOGIC, INVENTED LAWS OF PHYSICS really count, the rest is redundant.
Check out:
viewtopic.php?f=4&t=172275
An exploration in the space of configurations. It is mathematically equivalent to visiting other planets in space ships or visiting “fake” planets in a simulation: the independence of the planets and the life that has evolved on them can be made equivalent, the simulation can be made as independent as possible from any initial starting point, after all it is always the same Mass - Energy and is the same in all points in space.
To frame the concept better, imagine how many possible combinations of information and sequence of information events your senses could possibly perceive (keeping the brain an invariant for now, with our “traditional and old fashioned” organization of memory - logic - emotion - pain/pleasure circuits fixed and hardwired as is today). These sequence of information items aggregate and add up into an “experience”, so there is an experience that is mathematically equivalent to going to Mars and encountering Little Green Men. Exploring the space of combinations or using a space ship is equivalent, only that with the “simulation” or within the 1 cubic meter of singularity Mass - Energy self manipulating, you can explore a much larger state space much faster. But then you just need to encounter one Civilization that changes everything you think and know and all of your technology to halt the exploration indefinitely …
Check out:
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=157516&start=25
“The idea is probably not new, the universe is just pure information, the it to bit physics, so all possible combinations of these bits mapped to everything we can imagine is just a small subset of what is possible. The laws of physics seem to select only a very few combinations, but the superset of all combinations is the real size of the universe or any possible universe, so that is true reality, not what we feel with our senses.”
First link is good, second two are broken, but I’d love the read!
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=157516&start=25
also check out:
instantsingularity.blogspot.com
instantsingularity1.blogspot.com
instantsingularity3.blogspot.com
teddy boy
also:
"Laws of Physics Revisited
I was reading how scientists are discovering how certain parts of the Brain works: but that is the point, we shouldn’t be discovering how the Brain works, we should be inventing how the Brain works, we should be inventing and designing how we would like the Brain to Work, we should be inventing new Brain Designs and new Brain Styles, new interactions, new Observers, new Observer Types.
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Or you can read this masterpiece from GOD himself…
instantsingularity1.blogspot.it/ … -mind.html
"The Simplified Mind
I was reading how scientists can map activity in the brain with words and sentences, they can actually see words or concepts through tomography or whatever. So then the brain is a simple engine, just like a car engine, a few moving parts, a few blocks and all of what is inside, and all thoughts and sentences and probably all consciousness and feelings and all and all (“sprituality” ?) can be explained, used, can be manipulated, after all, they discovered that the brain is simpler than the simplest microprocessor, it has just a few chunks that light up when words or thoughts are said, end of story.
Wow", I don’t like that ! That kills off all of my fantasies of the Mind Brain being infinitely complex, and manipulable, that you could get wild new worlds and feelings and thought events and all kinds of wicked new signals in the mind (new “Universes” and “Laws of Physics”, go figure!), since we use our brain with only one fixed circuit (decided by that other party pooper called “Natural Evolution”) compared to how many new circuits can be devised in the ball of meat on top of your head!
So I lost the bet, there is nothing, actually there is even way less than what we thought there was before science ruined the party for us all: what a party pooper! I wanted it to be a never ending mysterious contraption where I could exercise all of my imagination and fantasy and they ruined my toy, my playground.
So, at this point I can only lie about it, I can only say lets pretend that the brain is more than just a handful of moving parts (simpler than a V8 Engine, wow, the engine could be more interesting if you stick brains in it than if you did the opposite like I always imagined!). Lets start dreaming up and drawing new block diagrams of possible imaginary brains, let your imagination run wild, draw ever more complex signals and symbols and block diagrams, invent ever more complex and contorted schematics of brain circuits, use computers to print billions of pages of incredibly complex schematics and symbols and designs and paintings representing all of the subparts of ever more incredible brains, Observer Types, Processors and so forth (the Universe self programming itself, observing itself and deciding how it wants to be on the fly, Matter Energy self configuring itself, inventing itself, the Abstraction and Symbol Set Kit, the Experience Set self instantiating itself in any incredible, possible way, and so forth forever, the self constructing Observer, the self constructing Universe). Make believe reality is more than what it is, we must worship lies and untruth, we must kill the truth and science and logic, that is always ruining the game for us all, always being such a letdown and boring, such a bore, so static, so dead, lets make brains come alive with wild new designs, let little babies and children draw incredibly complex schematics, let their imaginations go wild, ever more, ever more incredible, please make reality more than what it is, make it more than this puny one transistor circuit…
I want to run in the backyard of my suburban house with mommy in the kitchen cooking and I dreaming up incredible new brains, ever more incredible, me in my make believe, so wonderful…
THE APE COCK , BARBIE CONFUSED"
THE TURD
Place your hope in the magnificence of the unknown and you will be fatally disappointed and depressed.
I know, right?
What interest would these beings have with a species such as our own? We’d be predictable and infantile in their eyes.
Also, we assume that it’s possible to travel between life inhabited planets.
Maybe to get to us is particularly difficult. Maybe there’s hotspots of life in other galaxies that contain multiple planets with intelligent lifeforms. Why come here, when they could go to these hotspots?