Was Nietzsche a panpsychic?

Oh… I thought he was asking if Nietzsche was a “pan-psychotic”… :confused: :blush:

No, he said “panpsychic”, but I don’t know, whether he meant “pan-psychotic” …

:-k

I think the question how to understand Nietzsche’s Wille zur Macht („will to power“, „will to the might“ ) can mainly be answered by his personal and philosophical development, and - last but not least - by his language use, and his language was of course German. Nietzscche was a philologist, a poet, and of course a philosopher.

By the way: the German word zur is a composition which includes two words: the prepostion zu („to“) and the article der („the“), in this case der is not masculine, but feminine because of dative singular. Thus der Wille zu( de)r Macht is „the will to the might (power)“.

Philosophically Nietzsche was a pupil of Schopenhauer, and this fact should not be confused, if it is said there were two or three or even four or five stages in Nietzsche’s life:

(1) childhood and youth,
(2) from his youth till his „terminated contact“ with Wagner,
(3) from his „terminated contact“ with Wagner till his „Zarathustra“,
(4) from his „Zarathustra“ till his collapse,
(5) from his collapse till his death.

Philosphical interested people interpret (probably correctly) the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th stage as the main stages in Nietzsche’s philosophical life. The most Nietzscheans say that the „terminated contact“ with Wagner was the most important change in Nietzsches life, but that’s wrong. This „terminated contact“ wasn’t as much a terminated contact as it is often interpretated.

And we don’t have to forget Nietzsche’s desease because Nietzsche had been ill since a certain time. Probably was this one of the main reasons for his success - he himself often mentioned it, and many of his philosophical explanations are based on medical, physiological, especially immunological, and of course psychlogical aspects. He won or gained more or less of these aspects because of his pain, I think.

Nietzsche was perhaps a pan-immunologist, a pan-immunological philosopher, in any case a „life-philosopher“ (Lebensphilosoph) who had learned by his teacher: the „life-philosopher“ (Lebensphilosoph) Schopenhauer.

A Pan-Psychotic Libertine of de Sade’s tradition.

Wasn’t what the op wanted, but it most certainly fits.

Oh God! It’s not what I wanted! I’m fucking crushed!

(what is pan-psychotic?)

it has to do with panning reality, and becoming totally disillusioned about what’s out there, thereby turning psychic energies into a closed, rather than an open system. De Sade turned his mascochistic , self torture into an outward directed theatre of cruelty.

It may work the other way too.Upstairs, where my dear beloved son took his life, the room has exhibited noises, as if someone was walking around up there. I went there yesterday, and noticed nothing out of the ordinary. But it is not coincidental, that lately, i have been exploring channeling, and have been thinking a lot about Nietzsche.that there may be something coincidental to this phenomena in a broader range.If Nietzsche was pan-psychic, it is just possible that his aura would cover a very broad range.

Hello, Gib.

Please do not confuse the word “panpsychotic” with the word “panpsychism”!

Hello, Obe.

Well done!

@ Gib

De Sade is not the only example for “panpsychotic”.

obe, you can find meaning in anything, can’t you :wink:

Oh great, now I have to figure out what “panpschotic” is.

Is that like a “pan-Scottish”? Like what would happen to the world is the Scots took over?

Gib, for some obscure reason, i prefer Arminius comments. I would say You may be right, and not wishing to fall into the exclusive psychic interpretations which so much occupied Gobbo’s forums, however, the distinction accorded between sanity and the supernatural, may be far less significant, than currently thought about. Anyone seriously considering a psychic course, having an unstable mind, may better beware, of the inherent dangers lurking there.It is beyond dispute, that certain patterns of occurrences, which border on paranormal, can be attested and widely read in Jung, William James, and others. Most people considering themselves sane, block any non rational occurrence to enter their awareness. Synchronous events have been widely reported, among many dealing with the supernatural. The consequence of it is usually a widely held disapproval, and a possible questioning of sanity among those, who would hold to such views.

Until the time where more definitive conclusions can be drawn, the supernatural will be delegated into the archives of musty folk literature.

“Pan-Scottish” and “panpschotic” are a little bit related. Though I didn’t mean “panpschotic”, but “panpsychotic” (read my post again, please :wink:).

Regards.

@obe & Arminius,

So what is a pan-psychotic? “Pan” means universal or all-pervading. Pan-psychic means universal mind–as in, the mind of the universe. Pan-theism means universal god–as in, the universe is God. I can only surmise that pan-psychotic means the universe is crazy.

Although my first language is not English, I would say that the word “mind” means basically and thus mostly “spirit” / “ghost” (“Geist” is the German word for that), but “psyche” means basically and thus mostly “soul” (“Seele” is the German word for that). So “pan-psychic” means more “universal soul” than “universal mind”.

But maybe the English language has cast off many Old-English words and especially their meanings, so that nowadays “pan-psychic” may be interpretated in that way, which you prefer, Gib. But I prefer the other interpretation.

Next lesson: pan-psychotic! :imp:

End of night shift. I have to go to bed now. What’s the time in Calgary, Alberta, Canada, Gib?

Regards.

In English,

the prefix “pan-” generally means “wide spread” or “all encompassing”.
Mind ≡ the functioning of a neural network or brain, “psyche”.
Spirit / Ghost (“Geist”) ≡ Behavior, activity, energy of.
Soul ≡ fundamental architecture, design, function, definition or purpose.

Psychotic ≡ mentally disturbed, abnormally disconnected with reality.

So “Pan-Psychotic” would mean “wide spread, all encompassingly disconnected with reality” ≡ BBS.
BBS ≡ “Broken Brain Syndrome”.

:sunglasses:

Man spoke to the Universe and said, “I am Me.” The Universe replied, “Then I have no obligation to you.”

Should the Universe–given this personification–have any obligation toward Man?

I don’t think pan-psychotic means the Universe is crazy–I think it means that man is universally delusional. The Universe really doesn’t give a damn.

Was Nietzsche a psychic? I don’t think so, if a psychic uses ESP to reach her/his conclusions. Was he a philosopher for the world? Again, I don’t think so–unless–unless–his words can be universally defined. But can they be? Have they ever been?

One thing, though, cannot be denied.

He had a magnificent mustache!

Suit yourself. In English, the word “psyche” means “mind”. And I personally wouldn’t distinguish between mind and soul–true, they do connote different notions, but as far as their referents are concerned, I think they refer to the same object.

What’s the time here? It’s 8:05 AM. But I’ll bet it’s hours after you last posted, so that doesn’t answer your question. I’d look at the timestamp on your post and tell you it was 5:49 AM when you posted, but judging by the timestamp on my own posts (5:25 AM for my most recent one) I can tell you that’s inaccurate. From what I understand, ILP is a British website, so that’s probably the timestamp of the server.

Where do you live anyway?

Not sure, but given that we are a part of the universe, I’d say the universe has an obligation towards man insofar as man feels he has an obligation towards himself.

(interesting–if man is conscious, and man is a part of the universe, that means pan-psychism is true ipso facto).

Just to note: “psychic” in the term “pan-psychic” has nothing to do with ESP. Given that pan-psychism literally means the belief that the universe is conscious, and given that pan-theism literally means the belief that the universe is God, I’d say that “pan” is supposed to refer to the universe itself (which is different from what the term “universal” is supposed to denote) and “psychic” is supposed to refer to consciousness (or the mind).

I carry the same logic over for the term “pan-psychotic”–i.e. that it means “insane universe,” but as it’s a new term, I guess people can define it however they want. However, any man who believes in pan-psychotism probably is insane and you could probably very well call him “universally delusional.” :slight_smile:

Indeed! When will we ever see another philosopher with a mustache quite as refined?

Well, if we want to parallel panpsychism, panpsychosis must mean that psychosis is a pre-existing property of the universe.
(panpsychism = mind is a property of the universe or all things in the universe)
A Panpsychotic would be someone who holds this position about psychosis as a fundamental property of substance in the universe.

If panpsychosis is supposed to mirror panpsychism, then reality just is, in some fashion, psychotic. It’s not a defect, disconnect, or option but an inevitable feature.

Sounds like Quantum Physics.

So Quantum Mechanics is bullshit?

I jest. I hope to understand the fuss about QM at some point, but I’m still getting a hold of the basics first.