In the help of family and friends during and after my operation. In allowing me some mental stability with meds and counseling.
doesn’t all that have to do with other humans helping you…how about your direct relationship with god
The relationship with God exists in others helping me. Perhaps that is as direct as God gets.
at this time is it anymore direct for you…
No. The help is through people who “are God’s hands and feet” on this planet.
that is where I am at…do you have any other insight//feeling about the nature of god…
Others helping and the sometimes charity of strangers are all of God that I’m aware.
how about nature
Nature is a great help to me…at times it almost becomes my lover. Not that I ever truly lose my sanity but there are times when nature binds me to itself and I am made whole again.
Religare - to bind. 
the more I study nature the more I believe in god…I am an agnostic believer…try that one
That’s the relevant part.
Thanks, James.
The more I look at the universe, I can see the possibility of Something far different and inscrutable than anything we try to define with our puny brains.
I’m an agnostic because I choose not to believe. Believe what?!
i like the agnostic position…we don’t know about the nature of everything…
i personally like to define god as nature or the ultimate reality of everything…
what do you think about that…
So long as the agnostic position means I cannot know, I would not agree with it. Any statement about wonder and awe at Nature is a statement of knowing by effect. Even if the knowing is described as ineffable, it is still an awareness.
I thought agnostic meant------ not knowing…
But do we not know the experience of wonder and awe in the presence of Nature? What if we see God=Nature? Can we then be considered agnostic? When does experience=fact?
if we accept GOD=NATURE…then we don’t know very much…so I would have to remain agnostic until we know about the nature of things…we don’t know origins
We will never know origins or final endings. We live in the mesocosm, the middle ground between extremes. All we know is where we exist. Origins and endings are based on our own mortality, our temporal existence. Consequently, we can only guess about what exists beyond our mesocosmic reality.
we may be able to understand the origin of life on earth…