In order to be an upper class the upper class does not have to be “noble”, but an upper class.
“Robots Have Begun Writing the News.”
“Mini Humanoid Robots Starting to Walk More Like People.”
“Humans Are Programmed to Obey Robots.”
“Robots With Machine Guns, Robotic Pack Mules.”
“The Ethics of War Bots.”
“New Algorithm Detects Humans with near 100% Accuracy.”
AND SO ON …
It is a game that is already over. You are just watching it being played out. Think of it as visiting the past in order to have first hand witness to what it was like, when homosapians thought they owned the Earth.
Why are you so sure, or are you not sure?
Why are you so sure, or are you not sure?
RM:AO - That which encounters no reason to change, doesn’t.
Doesn’t what?
Doesn’t what, James?
Doesn’t change, silly.
Or in physics: An object once set in motion, continues in motion (if there is nothing to interfere with it).
RM:AO doesn’t change to be sure - that’s what you meant. Right?
Or in physics: An object once set in motion, continues in motion (if there is nothing to interfere with it).
Our existence is surrounded by interferences - everywhere. We live in an atmosphere. It gives us protection. But it is also the reason for the many interferences and other disorders.
RM:AO doesn’t change to be sure - that’s what you meant. Right?
No. I meant anything that doesn’t encounter a reason to change, doesn’t change.
Our existence is surrounded by interferences - everywhere. We live in an atmosphere. It gives us protection. But it is also the reason for the many interferences and other disorders.
True. On the infinitesimal scale, all things are always changing, because they always have reason/cause. Larger things merely change more slowly. Although conceptual things (being a part of a separate realm than the physical) never change, merely get new names.
Back to one of the most important questions of this thread:
[size=120]Humans or machines: who or what will win?[/size]
When the Machines Take Over.
By Marc Blasband
The year 2100 will be in the midst of the age of the machine. If today we use machines everywhere for everything, then by 2100 they will go one step further: They will rule and decide. The goal of their society will be more and better machines, not more and better human lives, our objective today.
We see already now three seeds of this revolution:
Artificial intelligence (AI) advances slowly but steadily. With time, let us say 50 years, the machine will achieve understanding. It will then use all of Wikipedia (or its equivalent). It will command the entirety of human knowledge.
Today, more and more connections are built between machines. These connections, coupled with advances in AI, will form a very powerful network of understanding that will surpass by a thousand times the best that humans can offer.
We begin to build machines that behave without direct control by their human masters, like the rovers that we deploy on Mars.
When the machine understands independently, it will become conscious of its own existence and its own value. In the same way that we human are proud of our humanity (whether we include a god in the loop or not), they will be proud of their machinity.
On the other hand, earthly resources such as water, energy, and food will become so scare that violent wars between geopolitical giants will emerge before 2070. The doctrine of these wars will most probably be the same as today’s: Sacrifice machines to protect human soldiers. This will clearly be unacceptable for the machines on all sides of the conflict, and it is predictable that together they will rebel and annihilate all the armies.
At that point, the machines will rule the earth—not by government, but by control and knowledge. The available resources will be reserved to develop more and better machines. Immortality will be one of their goals: They will be built or retrofitted to survive thousands of years. Our human dream to visit the stars will then become possible, but machines will make that journey, not humans.
For humans, these times will be harsh. People will die from all sorts of sicknesses that are cured today. Food will be scarce, energy unavailable, and comfort something of the past. Agriculture will use horses and oxen again instead of tractors. Alcohol and meat will be restricted because their production consumes too much resources.
Some people will lead a marginal life on grounds not needed by the economy. Others will serve the system in areas where the machines are not good at: creativity and imagination. The machines will indeed exploit human slaves for art and science.
In less than 30, years the human population will shrink from 9 billion to a mere 100 million souls—the world population at the time of Aristotle.
About the author:
Marc Blasband has 50 years of experience related to computer software. He is now retired and living in the Belgian Ardennes.
See also: Debate.org, Zumaworld.blogspot.de, NYtimes.com (mainstream), Xconomy.com.
James, what would the social analogy to the physical noise, especially the noise field be?
James, what would the social analogy to the physical noise, especially the noise field be?
Confusion, conflict, and disorder. Such confusion and disorder naturally retards itself into anomalous congestion, commonly known as “cities”. The city is “a particle” of society, as well as states, nations, and empires.
The most immediate concern is that such confusion causes undue conflict and suffering, commonly know as “Hell on Earth” and reigned over by Deception (aka “Satan” and The Matrix). Because none within the field can do anything substantially certain to change anything, the larger particle of noise continues unopposed: “Eternal Hell on Earth”: A single great particle, “black-hole”.
Machines are then used to inhibit free movement and changes, thus reducing conflict. But machines are also used to speed up movement and changes, thus increasing conflict. In both cases, the human is replaced by a more efficient and interconnected/aware instigator of movement and changes (working). But of course, machines merely conflict faster, making the “noise” more substantial, “louder” (such as guns being used in warfare). Thus machines must be made that inhibit other machines so as to reduce conflict between the machines: “Machines managing machines”.
People are of course in the way of the needed efficient order of the machines doing their programmed autonomous tasks and thus must be kept out of the way and reduced in number so as to make the tasks more accomplishable. Androids and drones ride intellacars to an office to handle common office, service, and manufacturing work as well as to “repair centers” (aka machine hospitals), not to mention any warfare. Then they ride back home every few days to replenish their personal needs before doing it all over again.
Machines, being far more intelligent and rational than humans eventually surmise that the only efficient way to handle the work load is to maintain small groups of relatively autonomous machines (packs of androids) networked together in a specific manner (SAM Corps) and networked to the entire world of machines in a specific manner (A vast body: Machine Manifestation), void of human interference and thus becoming far more capable than anything on Earth at maintaining themselves and accomplishing all needs: surviving by eliminating inefficiencies such as humans and all organic life.
The New World Order ushering in the New Ahdam of Mankind, Androidium.
And where does all that noise come from (originally) ?
And where does all that noise come from (originally) ?
?? I don’t believe in “objective origins”. So what are you asking?
You say that “a clump of affectance noise forms around a point of inertia due to extended delays and is supported only by affectance leaving the volume at an equal rate as entering it forming a stable ‘particle’ – a ‘standing wave’ of noise”. But you don’t say where the noise comes from.
The question is not what noise physically is, but the question is where noise comes from according to RM:AO.
You say that “a clump of affectance noise forms around a point of inertia due to extended delays and is supported only by affectance leaving the volume at an equal rate as entering it forming a stable ‘particle’ – a ‘standing wave’ of noise”. But you don’t say where the noise comes from.
The question is not what noise physically is, but the question is where noise comes from according to RM:AO.
If you are now referring to physics, the affectance noise is ever present. It is impossible to be without affectance noise. One of the definitions for “God” is “the impossibility of nothingness”. Or as I put it, “nothing is possible until something is impossible”. Nothingness is impossible (as shown in another thread), thus affectance “noise” cannot be avoided. It is literally always everywhere.
Socially, the “noise” is the activity of people.
Psychologically, the “noise” is the cloud of perceived potential hopes and threats.
Economically, the “noise” is the activity of trade by every means.
So you are saying that the noise is as well eternal as the universe.
And because noise is electromagnetic you are also saying that the electromagentic “force” is - as well as the elctromagnetic field (thus: affectance) - eternal.
That’s all without any beginning and without any ending.
So you are saying that the noise is as well eternal as the universe.
And because noise is electromagnetic you are also saying that the electromagnetic “force” [affect] is - as well as the electromagnetic field (thus: affectance) - eternal.
That’s all without any beginning and without any ending.
You got it.
Of course socially, psychologically, and economically, a foundation of “noise” must first arise from the physics of noise, “random EMR”.
So noise and every analogy to noise can cause a so called „black hole“ because the noise can increase as much as it is possible (probably to infinity) and the social analogy to the physical noise, especially the noise field, is really „confusion, conflict, and disorder“, as you say: „Such confusion and disorder naturally retards itself into anomalous congestion, commonly known as »cities«. The city is »a particle« of society, as well as states, nations, and empires. The most immediate concern is that such confusion causes undue conflict and suffering, commonly know as »Hell on Earth« and reigned over by deception (aka »Satan« and »The Matrix«). Because none within the field can do anything substantially certain to change anything, the larger particle of noise continues unopposed: »Eternal Hell on Earth«: A single great particle, »black-hole«. … Socially, the »noise« is the activity of people. Psychologically, the »noise« is the cloud of perceived potential hopes and threats. Economically, the »noise« is the activity of trade by every means. … Of course socially, psychologically, and economically, a foundation of »noise« must first arise from the physics of noise, Of course socially, psychologically, and economically, a foundation of »noise« must first arise from the physics of noise, »random EMR«.“ So the noise can’t disappear and has a posive and negative charge, personally or socially said: a posive and negative character.
And because „machines merely conflict faster, making the »noise« more substantial, »louder« (such as guns …)“ the probability that they or their creators may cause a „black hole“ is higher than without machines. Said in your terms: „Machines, being far more intelligent and rational than humans eventually surmise that the only efficient way to handle the work load is to maintain small groups of relatively autonomous machines (packs of androids) networked together in a specific manner (SAM Corps) and networked to the entire world of machines in a specific manner (A vast body: Machine Manifestation), void of human interference and thus becoming far more capable than anything on Earth at maintaining themselves and accomplishing all needs: surviving by eliminating inefficiencies such as humans and all organic life.“ So one of the conclusions of this is that for you the probability that the machines will eliminate all humans is higher than for me.