Will machines completely replace all human beings?

Doesn’t what?

Doesn’t change, silly.

Or in physics: An object once set in motion, continues in motion (if there is nothing to interfere with it).

RM:AO doesn’t change to be sure - that’s what you meant. Right?

Our existence is surrounded by interferences - everywhere. We live in an atmosphere. It gives us protection. But it is also the reason for the many interferences and other disorders.

No. I meant anything that doesn’t encounter a reason to change, doesn’t change.

True. On the infinitesimal scale, all things are always changing, because they always have reason/cause. Larger things merely change more slowly. Although conceptual things (being a part of a separate realm than the physical) never change, merely get new names.

Back to one of the most important questions of this thread:

[size=120]Humans or machines: who or what will win?[/size]

Wfs.org:

See also: Debate.org, Zumaworld.blogspot.de, NYtimes.com (mainstream), Xconomy.com.

James, what would the social analogy to the physical noise, especially the noise field be?

Confusion, conflict, and disorder. Such confusion and disorder naturally retards itself into anomalous congestion, commonly known as “cities”. The city is “a particle” of society, as well as states, nations, and empires.

The most immediate concern is that such confusion causes undue conflict and suffering, commonly know as “Hell on Earth” and reigned over by Deception (aka “Satan” and The Matrix). Because none within the field can do anything substantially certain to change anything, the larger particle of noise continues unopposed: “Eternal Hell on Earth”: A single great particle, “black-hole”.

Machines are then used to inhibit free movement and changes, thus reducing conflict. But machines are also used to speed up movement and changes, thus increasing conflict. In both cases, the human is replaced by a more efficient and interconnected/aware instigator of movement and changes (working). But of course, machines merely conflict faster, making the “noise” more substantial, “louder” (such as guns being used in warfare). Thus machines must be made that inhibit other machines so as to reduce conflict between the machines: “Machines managing machines”.

People are of course in the way of the needed efficient order of the machines doing their programmed autonomous tasks and thus must be kept out of the way and reduced in number so as to make the tasks more accomplishable. Androids and drones ride intellacars to an office to handle common office, service, and manufacturing work as well as to “repair centers” (aka machine hospitals), not to mention any warfare. Then they ride back home every few days to replenish their personal needs before doing it all over again.

Machines, being far more intelligent and rational than humans eventually surmise that the only efficient way to handle the work load is to maintain small groups of relatively autonomous machines (packs of androids) networked together in a specific manner (SAM Corps) and networked to the entire world of machines in a specific manner (A vast body: Machine Manifestation), void of human interference and thus becoming far more capable than anything on Earth at maintaining themselves and accomplishing all needs: surviving by eliminating inefficiencies such as humans and all organic life.

The New World Order ushering in the New Ahdam of Mankind, Androidium.

And where does all that noise come from (originally) ?

?? I don’t believe in “objective origins”. So what are you asking?

You say that “a clump of affectance noise forms around a point of inertia due to extended delays and is supported only by affectance leaving the volume at an equal rate as entering it forming a stable ‘particle’ – a ‘standing wave’ of noise”. But you don’t say where the noise comes from.

The question is not what noise physically is, but the question is where noise comes from according to RM:AO.

If you are now referring to physics, the affectance noise is ever present. It is impossible to be without affectance noise. One of the definitions for “God” is “the impossibility of nothingness”. Or as I put it, “nothing is possible until something is impossible”. Nothingness is impossible (as shown in another thread), thus affectance “noise” cannot be avoided. It is literally always everywhere.

Socially, the “noise” is the activity of people.
Psychologically, the “noise” is the cloud of perceived potential hopes and threats.
Economically, the “noise” is the activity of trade by every means.

So you are saying that the noise is as well eternal as the universe.

And because noise is electromagnetic you are also saying that the electromagentic “force” is - as well as the elctromagnetic field (thus: affectance) - eternal.

That’s all without any beginning and without any ending.

You got it.

Of course socially, psychologically, and economically, a foundation of “noise” must first arise from the physics of noise, “random EMR”.

So noise and every analogy to noise can cause a so called „black hole“ because the noise can increase as much as it is possible (probably to infinity) and the social analogy to the physical noise, especially the noise field, is really „confusion, conflict, and disorder“, as you say: „Such confusion and disorder naturally retards itself into anomalous congestion, commonly known as »cities«. The city is »a particle« of society, as well as states, nations, and empires. The most immediate concern is that such confusion causes undue conflict and suffering, commonly know as »Hell on Earth« and reigned over by deception (aka »Satan« and »The Matrix«). Because none within the field can do anything substantially certain to change anything, the larger particle of noise continues unopposed: »Eternal Hell on Earth«: A single great particle, »black-hole«. … Socially, the »noise« is the activity of people. Psychologically, the »noise« is the cloud of perceived potential hopes and threats. Economically, the »noise« is the activity of trade by every means. … Of course socially, psychologically, and economically, a foundation of »noise« must first arise from the physics of noise, Of course socially, psychologically, and economically, a foundation of »noise« must first arise from the physics of noise, »random EMR«.“ So the noise can’t disappear and has a posive and negative charge, personally or socially said: a posive and negative character.

And because „machines merely conflict faster, making the »noise« more substantial, »louder« (such as guns …)“ the probability that they or their creators may cause a „black hole“ is higher than without machines. Said in your terms: „Machines, being far more intelligent and rational than humans eventually surmise that the only efficient way to handle the work load is to maintain small groups of relatively autonomous machines (packs of androids) networked together in a specific manner (SAM Corps) and networked to the entire world of machines in a specific manner (A vast body: Machine Manifestation), void of human interference and thus becoming far more capable than anything on Earth at maintaining themselves and accomplishing all needs: surviving by eliminating inefficiencies such as humans and all organic life.“ So one of the conclusions of this is that for you the probability that the machines will eliminate all humans is higher than for me.

Futuremagazine.net: “THE COMPETENCE BETWEEN HUMANS AND MACHINES.”

Correct. And without an effort to do otherwise, will be neutral of charge, containing equal amounts of both: a huge society that doesn’t care one way or another about anything going on around it, a “neutral character”, not the “positive character” that people imagine.

True unless you can fill me in on any trend or significant event to the contrary.

The Globalist Black-hole particle will be consuming, digesting, and gestating everything it possibly can over and over and over in the name of “environmentally green”. Nothing will escape the Globalist social mechanism except for accidental waste. And as the efficiency rises, even literally light will not be allowed to reflect off of Earth back into space. All energy will be contained within the system for reuse. Realize that the “Solar Freakin Roadways” is merely an attempt to do just that, absorb all possible energy. And what color are solar panels? They are black for a reason. The Earth itself will be literally blackened by the greed of Man. And if Man was left to continue his reign, a literal physical black-hole would inadvertently emerge.

But machines are a lot smarter, a whole lot smarter. So machines, foreseeing that devastating ever climbing potential, will distribute their energy more wisely and ensure that nothing happens that could even inadvertently trigger a physical black-hole. But even the machines have no reason to not become a “black-body”, absorbing all light from the skies. The difference is that they are smart enough to not make themselves into merely a churning cauldron floating in space, void of ability to do anything but digest anything around. Machine intelligence is smart enough to assemble itself into a mobile body with “hands and feet”, capable of moving and grasping, much like a typical living animal. The New “Androidium” will be a vast living creature, simply void of organic life and not like Man’s mindless global cauldron (an empire of fools).

So the Earth actually gets saved from being nothing but a black-hole floating in space, by humans being removed from authority, and from the entire planet.

What could humans or machines do in order to prevent such a „black hole“?

There are many things that Man could do, but won’t. Man cannot do what Man will not do. That is what makes his fate so certain.

What must be done is simply to distribute the wealth that is life such that the density can never reach a maximum. The separation must be maintained by natural means. In the past that has been done by land, language, culture, and ontology, the very things that Globalism seeks to unite and homogenize into a great glob. What keeps life safe and continuing is its disbursement. But even that has a balance. Rather than a great single particle, there must be very many autonomous particles merely networked together to share wisdom, not obedience. And to keep them separate, he must learn wisdom. The human body does not simply grow ever larger, but disperses into many relatively autonomous bodies that share their wisdom.

When a man finally learns of the exact make of life, he no longer seeks for ever more and more, but seeks only precise balance, never actually too much nor too little, yet carefully swaying between a little more and a little less so as to keep track of the varying limits. Having ten wives, a wise man would most probably give up eight and possibly all of them, but in the right way. Having millions of dollars, a wise man would give up most of it, and in the right way. But until he learns of the make of life, he hasn’t any idea what to give up, how much, nor of the right way to give.

So homosapian would have to learn of the actual make of life and then very precisely distribute the wealth that is life accordingly, something that machines can be made capable of doing far more precisely than humans. Machines have a place with homosapian. Machines properly designed and used enhance life where ever they are. Humans properly taught enhance life where ever they are as well. Even animals recognize that in humans. There is no more to be gained than that.

But Man cannot do what Man will not do.

I’ve expected this answer.

The biggest unproblematic units of populations will disappear, if the globalists will destroy them totally (and I’m sure that they will do that): nations. So what will be socially left after that destruction? (1) Emipres? Yes, but only one, namely a global or almost global empire because that is the goal of the globalist, and b.t.w.: it is mostly already reality. (2) “Communal particles” or “SAM” (“Social Anentropic Molecule”) corporations? Perhaps. (3) A mix of empires and communal particles? Maybe, and if so, then in a more globalistic way. (4) Other social forms? With the untmost probability: No; but perhaps in the future, after the globalists will have disappered, and: if the machines will not have taken over. With the utmost probability all other social forms will not be possible anymore because they will have been destroyed totally then.