That’s right.
|_____ Thesis |__ Antithesis __| Synthesis ______|
|___ Liberalism |__ Egalitarianism __| Fraternitism ____|
|| Socialism ___| Globalism _____|
|| Communism |___________|
This “isms” are totalitarianisms.
Well, that’s even more insulting. You think I’m a party member yet you only call out Ucci? 
Have I ever said whether or not you are a member of a party?
Why do you always ask absurd questions, Gib?
By the way:
A “free market” means an absolute free market. That’s logical, even tautological. The “liberal humans” want a “free market”. - Okay, here is one:
When will the next “liberal” party conference start, Gib?
Either way I’m insulted.
That’s a big croc.
Your question is a good one for Eric (it’s his quote).
And do you understand what’s meant by “liberal”?
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(BTW, where do you get all your disturbing pics/videos?)
Which “videos” do you mean, Gib?
And do you understand what’s meant by “liberal”?
Except for the ‘subtle’ part, yeah. Seems to me that all institutions of civil society from The Roman Catholic Church to the Boy Scouts do that, taken broadly. That I believe such institutions are important and good is why I’m a conservative and not a libertarian I suppose. That I prefer organizations that don’t have the legal power to tax, imprison or execute dissenters is why I’m not a liberal. Do you mean it in some more sinister way that doesn’t apply as broadly as what I describe? The good instututions that do this sort of thing are straightforward about their goals, and are working for the good of the people they are influencing.
For example here and here. And they are not disturbing because they are very important, Gib.
B.t.w: Why are you insulted, boy? Is that the reason why you are compelled to insult? Are you a member of a party?
By “subtle”, I mean influence that is unknown to the person, thereby causing their will to become what the influencer wanted without the person knowing why or who. Unconscious, unaware influence is more commonly known as “hypnosis”.
A young child has no choice but to be influenced by things without his awareness. Atheists complain that churches do that intentionally (as though governments don’t). Propaganda is specifically aimed at that purpose.
For a democracy, or any democratic assembly such as a simple jury, to function free of coercion, the members must be free of subtle influence. A governance trying to obtain and maintain complete control is too tempted to avoid engaging in subtle influence. Just about all politics these days is entirely a competition of subtle influence. The media does nothing else. An unaware populous is preferred by totalitarian governance, “liberal/communistic/socialistic”. And thus the democratic process is dysfunctional.
If there is any use in trying to “reform democracy”, it would have to entail a freedom from subtle, hypnotic influences, enhancing public awareness rather than media subterfuge and mainstream propaganda. That is why the media in the USA was to be free and uncontrolled in the USA. Unfortunately, in the USA, media is not at all free, nor film making or school teaching. Thus in the USA, there isn’t anything close to true democracy, but rather merely the attempt to be the greater devil of influence (just as Europe was before constitutionalism).
People in the USA want for only what they have been subtly influenced into wanting, these days. And the intention is to make it far more so such that literally no one wants for anything that hasn’t been designed before hand for them to want. And that includes a specific amount of dissidents to give the impression of uninfluenced will. That is what socialism is really all about, “the power to cause popular passion in chosen directions”.
And thus reproduction choices, ARE being controlled. But a part of controlling them is giving the impression that they are not controlled and in need of more governing. The arguing between the Yin and Yang of Liberal vs Conservative, Democrat vs Republican, is a passion-engine used to feed and create a subtle “god”. It is very largely mere distraction to allow for subtle influences to go undetected and thus effective.
Yes, those are the same videos I linked to in my last post. Glad we’re on the same page.
Oh, they’re disturbing all right–I had one of those it-can’t-be-real moments when I watched the Swedish Feminist blow a couple of caps into the guy’s skull.
I went to a party the other day… it was pretty wild and crazy, got really hosed… does that make me a “member” of it?
To start: I am sorry for the lengthy delay in response… School, both for my daughter and I restarted, it’s been taking up my time…
Ok, so if this is not passed as a law, that we simply get rid of the tax credits with for people with multiple children, then leave people along. I can live with this and I would see it as the free market, possibly, working to reduce the amount of children people have. If this is what you mean, I guess I’m on board.
If a law is passed, I’m against it…
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The only real problem I’ve seen is that you have not really explained clearly what you mean… Bogging us down in attempting to understand what you mean…
Yes, and that is a lot of innuendo… What kind of parties do you go to?
Oh, yeah. That tendency is my primary criticism of the left- they lie like dogs and deny what they really want because they need popular approval and their agenda wouldn’t sell if it was straightforwardly presented.
Mostly kids parties, actually. The only sense I got “hosed” was getting sprayed by the sprinklers.
I think I might be willing to join The Kid Party… As long as their policies were along the Conservative lines. How does your Kid Party feel about the second amendment?
Well, they do like their water pistols.
Once influencers of that type enter the game of democracy, “democracy” becomes no more than a smoke screen or veil. Society becomes no more than a competition of influencers; hypnotists, advertisers, and evangelists, aka “serpents”.
Truth becomes irrelevant and undesirable from all sides because Truth bows to no one’s wishes. The freedom to fight for one’s cause is lost in the sight of Truth. Thus Truth is turned against by all parties yet the populous is kept under the illusion that the Truth is near and identifiable despite the clouds caused by “those bad guys”. The truth is that even the influencers couldn’t identify the truth even if it favored them. On rare occasion, one speaks the truth inadvertently but quickly recovers. The society is no more than a pit of snakes and sheep, cons and marks and cons who are themselves marks.
Through all of the confusions of deceit, even the influencers lose track of Truth without knowing it. They too become influenced by the cloud, remnants of their own doings. In effect, all people become blind yet unaware that they are, impassioned by the misguidance of believing that the Truth is reasonably clear to them, “just not to other people”. Such is the state called “Dark Era”.
So what does “democracy” really mean when those of influence love the darkness? And being of influence, they can easily ensure that everyone else loves the darkness such that it is sustained for many generations. For democracy to work, Truth must be reasonably clear to those doing the “voting” so they can truthfully choose which candidate actually favors their concerns. But in darkness, they know nether their true concerns, nor which candidate would help them more.
Socialist societies fear Truth and thus forbid democracy. There is actually no such thing as “Democratic Socialism” other than a socialist system pretending to be democratic while they each blind themselves and others as much as possible in their competition to coerce the future into their chosen image.
What laws do you imagine could be made to change all of that, especially when those of influence in making laws are enamored with their freedom to subtly deceive, often using laws to do it? It’s a bit hard to step down from being a “god”.
I couldn’t agree more, James. It’s our inner motives (often unconscious) which determine what we will accept as “truth” and what we won’t, and those motives, though sometimes to seek the truth for its own sake, are not always aimed at truth.
I had a thread a while back that touched on something similar to this: What I got out of Nietzsche.
How do we find uncontaminated information? That’s what we really need–a clear, reliable way for the people to get trustworthy information, and to have good solid reasons for knowing that the information can be trusted.
That is almost the entire point of philosophy. And my answer is through a broader yet more restricted form of Science, a more honest form, more reasoning and less ego. It is the ego issues that give rise to subtle deceptions, whether political, religious, or ideological. It hasn’t been because they were stupid, but rather because they have been clever.
When they tell you that a certain object is yellow, how do you know if they are right? You can see that the color is the color you call “yellow”, but perhaps they got it wrong long ago and “yellow” really refers to what you were taught is “blue”.
How do you know if they got the names right? With certainty, how do you know that you and they are not being fooled about such things?