Now you’re lack of logic just makes you look silly:
Uccisore wrote:
That is an assertion with no argument to back it.
If by ‘the value’ you mean ‘worthwhileness’, this is false. People can gain something worthwhile from experiences that are not new, or are not new to them. I have given examples that you have not addressed. Here is another example:
If some far away species invented concept X before we did, it is unique to the universe and has unique inplications by virtue of the fact that they did it. When humans eventually invent concept X it has new implications by virtue of the fact that we did it. Was it a man or a woman? In what nation? Why did it take us so long, or why did it take other species so much longer? There are implications there, there is meaningful content there that is only a function of this unique event happening to the human race. These questions and their answers are all unique contributions to philosophy that could not be addressed in any other way, even in an infinite universe.
Just because an idea isn’t new to the universe doesn’t mean it’s recurrence isn’t uniquely worthwhile.
Ecmandu writes: Every moment is new. End of debate. Do you want to get into the A=A paradox and the A/=A paradox here? The fact that they live together with each other? Do you even know what you’re talking about?
Uccisore writes:
Idiot:
1 : a person affected with extreme mental retardation
2 : a foolish or stupid person
Stupid:
1: not intelligent : having or showing a lack of ability to learn and understand things
2: not sensible or logical
Just because somebody has a specialization we lack, does not mean we lack an ability to learn and understand things, and it does not mean we are not sensible or logical. Einstein was not an idiot just because he couldn’t play Tetris or perform eye surgery. Nobody uses the word ‘idiot’ in that way, you are creating a brand new definition of a term of common speech for no purpose but to try and win this debate, just as you are doing with ‘worthwhile’. Simply put, being ignorant of some specialized field does not make one an idiot. Furthermore, ‘we all have specializations that others do not’ is probably false. There are children and true mentally retarded people that apparently have no specializations.
Ecmandu writes: It does mean they are not sensible or logical IN THAT WAY!!!
Uccisore writes:
It is plainly that sense of ‘some can be smarter and wiser than others’ to which the term ‘idiot’ applies, not to this odd, context-free sense which you are trying to invent for the purposes of this conversation. I am not inventing new definitions for these terms, there’s no reason for you to do so - especially since this is my subject we’re debating. I’ll tell you what is meant by ‘worthwhile’ and ‘foolish’, that is one of the conditions of this debate, and indeed I have done so. If you can’t win with the definitions I’ve provided- which I stress are merely standard and not twisted in any way as you are trying to do- , you can’t win.
Ecmandu writes:
I know you’re stupid when it comes to DNA sequencing (which involves holding millions of variables in your head at once). Not only haven’t you studied it, if you did, it wouldn’t stick. But you being Uccisore, would argue that it does.
Uccisore writes:
It doesn’t matter. Since you are worthwhile by virtue of counter-example, it is in what you do wrong that you contribute to philosophy. You claim to be contributing nothing new? I already know that. I already know your philosphical ideas are all either accidentally ripped off from sources you are unaware of or else nonsense. But people can still observe the way you argue, the way you misrepresent facts, change the subject, read inattentively and all the rest that you are known for, and thereby learn how not to do philosophy- which is precisely the sense in which I claim you are worthwhile. This is worthwhile in a way that is completely beyond your control. Even though the ways in which you are a bad example are not original, it is still significant that you are a bad example here and now. Nobody else is having this preposterous debate with me, trying to prove their own idiocy in order to save face. It is a way that you, as an object lesson in how not to behave, are uniquely worthwhile to philosophy.
Ecmandu replies:
There is no counter example. Nobody, including you, contributes nothing new in the GENERAL sense. You have to argue infinity to argue against this. You cannot distinguish between the microcosm and the macrocosm, which makes you look stupid. Go back and read your definition.