Why did we stop inventing gods?

Hogwash.

We believe in the only god we can ever know. Ourselves.

Let me explain using Christian and Jewish myths.

This Gnostic Christian’s apology for calling myself God.

Adam and Eve became as Gods when they gained a moral sense and no longer had their mind cut off from intelligent thought. As our primordial ancestors, we inherit that same trait even though Christianity wrongly thinks that to be evil and a fall. Retaining dominion over the earth, humans never revoked this inherited trait of a moral sense, — and the right for man to judge himself. Jesus highlights this when he took the seat of judgement at God’s right hand.

When I use terms like “I am God”, or “you are God”, I am not speaking of the traditional miracle working God of scriptures and myths. He does not exist as far as we can know as he has never made an appearance to prove his reality.

What I am trying to convey to you by saying that you are a God in your own right is to be master of yourself and you need not be a sheep. You can, as Jesus says, pick up your burdens and responsibilities for your sins and follow his mind set. Be a shepherd. Lead by example.

What I am trying to convey is that the only God you can ever know is the good you find within yourself. It’s your ideal of God and of the Jesus or Christ mind. That is quite different from me or someone thinking they are the traditional creator God, or thinking that they are more than anyone else. Both Jesus and the Christ in these myths are for equality. Not the misogyny that we presently enjoy. That is another topic though. We are to be co-equal with Jesus.

Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

Jesus would explain this concept as one just seeing that they have joined God’s Divine Council by embracing his own Christ mind. Or better said, as this is the more eastern Jesus, we activate our pineal gland and open our third eye.

Matthew 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.

John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

Luke 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divine_Council

youtube.com/watch?v=alRNbes … r_embedded

Regards
DL

You don’t need to say more. Case closed.

Show anything that shows that mankind is not the supreme example of what people should be following.

Logic and reason say it is but if you have lost those to supernatural beliefs and fantasy, then I pity you.

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DL


Nuclear bombs.

Those are a damned site better than Noah’s flood.

Thanks for making my case.

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DL

I fail to see why you keep applying the ‘Gnostic Christian’ label to yourself.

Why don’t you just admit to being an atheist?

So you’re a secular humanist.

Is there something wrong with that?

Because that is not what I am.

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Not that I know of.

We all have labels that fit us best. In my case, Gnostic Christian, as I understand the term, is my best label. I do add esoteric ecumenist and naturalist to it which says that I can study atheism and secular humanism as just two other human divisions and ideologies.

At least, when I criticize the immoral mainstream religions, they see that it is another religionist doing it and not a true non-believer even though they call us heretics.

I hope that my label carries more weight than if a non-believer is doing the criticizing.

Regards
DL

Greatest I am

I was waxing poetic. I don’t actually think of the stars, planets, oceans, et cetera as gods like the ancients did.
I may stand in awe of them at times and worship them but not literally as gods.

The so-called kingdom to me is everywhere and everything which my mind/heart/spirit interfaces with and which causes me to be moved.

How could anyone take that as an insult? Whether or not you actually meant it to be true, I find that I am often mentally rich as you say. There is still an opposite side to that coin which I am. I can also at times be mentally poor. lol But I do seem to have wonderful brain chemistry - most of the time. Who knows, maybe it’s also because of my Irish/Italian genes. lol and my life’s journey.

The odd person does see it as an insult when anything spiritual od religious is attributed to them.

I am pleased you are not.

True that we should not see the physical world around us as a god in the usual definition of god as sentient.

I take it as god’s kingdom and do see nature as a great teacher, — without the sentience. I see nature as perfect in it’s own right without having to swallow Intelligent Design.

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DL

A theology based on another’s fables, it seems.

http://www.modernmysteryschoolint.com/ Who knew this existed :confusion-shrug:

This need for the West to dominate the masses is the cause of global ruin, in my eyes.

Greatest I Am,

Oh, there are some out there who might consider me to be odd or strange. Really. I sometimes intuit that within myself. I find nothing wrong with it…being odd, that is. “Odd” is just another’s perspective and sometimes a biased one at that.

Aside from that, I can’t quite grasp your meaning above. You are pleased I am not WHAT? The “odd” person? But I am.

Is it possible that some people are not capable of remaining “humble” when they’re told that they are spiritual or religious? It makes them uncomfortable. Perhaps to them it feels as though they’re being controlled in some way and have to go on to prove how spiritual and religious they are. :evilfun: Then there are those who thrive on their spirituality though in actuality there’s really not much there at all.

Humans are sentient. Can we use that human term to define god?

Nature is indeed a great teach if we listen and observe her. I’ve learned much at her feet.
Define “perfect”.

That’s a tricky one for me. I am not reconciled to a God’s Intelligent Design but I do still see and intuit the intelligence, structured organization, timely patterns (for lack of a better phrase) breathtaking awesomeness, et cetera. I can intuit that there has to be lol something but i couldn’t call it god and certainly not a personal god but that’s just me.
I don’t think we’ll ever get to this mystery unless it’s revealed and I don’t really see that happening. Whatever we intuit and think we know just comes from our brain chemistry. I’m more or less a pagan. lol

??

More and more atheist churches and mystery scools are popping up all over the place.

Some preachers in some Christian churches are also telling more of the truth of the bible being un-inspired by god and preaching that it is all allegory and metaphor. Even Jesus.

The truth has a way of coming out.

Regards
DL

In using odd above, I was using it to mean odd number of people. Not odd person as in strange.

As to defining perfect as in the perfection of nature.

I see nature as always creating for the best possible end, given all the conditions and environment where life starts. Any life.

There is indeed what we would call intelligent structure to natural systems. If there was none, the structure would have likely gone extinct. I think there has to be if as we can see, natures creates for the best possible end.

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DL

Like Eli Whitney “invented” the cotton gin?

I think that it’s the other way around - we’ve been since forever inventing God or gods…and this will continue on til death do us part from this mad Earth.

Indeed. As it should be.

Regards
DL

Greatest I Am,

Hello, Mohamed Ali :evilfun:

So what would that be ~~ the perfection of nature?
Can nature be seen, in actuality, as being perfect?
It is perfect by my perception most of the time but can one call nature “perfect”? Nature is natural, it abides by natural law, though not always, I don’t believe ~~but perfect?
Are hurricanes, tsunamis, tornadoes perfect? They are beautiful to behold but are things which are capable of causing great chaos and destruction perfect?
What is perfect?

So what you’re saying here is that nature is sentient and ethical; that it ALSO has its own purpose in mind? :open_mouth:

But is that [really] so? Give me an example of this?

It works both ways.
The totality of all natural conditions spawns humans over millennia of evolutionary processes. Humans, then, being created, create gods.

Something is perfect when it is exactly as it ought to be. If you say that everything in nature happens as it ought, then nature is perfect. Others will disagree if they have different ideas on how things ought to be.

Matter and energy are partners in a dance in which they change places and identities. Who here can say who or what causes this dance to be as it is? God is as good an answer as any other. After all what’s in a name? Natural forces will act as they will regardless of what they are called. The problem seems to be our propensity to not see God as anything but human. Thus we color evolution with notions of teleology and anthropomorphism. There are social and political reasons for this way of seeing, reasons that have to do with control of some persons by others. In short, is God an Is or a Should Be?" Is the dance rigged? By us? By whom or what?

The dance is not rigged, it is but a misunderstood process of the energy of transformation, the realization of the relationship between the Ying and the Yang.

It is but a necessary but very rare form of a hidden anachronism, hiding the nemesis of each other, within their own fold.