It doesn’t really matter WHY they do what they do, as long as it works better than what you are doing, besides which your WHY is not actually any better, despite what you believe.
When they gain due to what they do and you don’t, guess what?
Doesn’t really matter???
What did that come from?
Note the fundamental moral imperative of respecting the basic dignity of individual[s].
Relative the present era, misogyny is a significant element of evil.
What you do not see [seemingly] is this element of evil is one of the many terrible evil elements in the Quran [i.e. Islam-in-part] that culminated in a full range of terrible evils and violence inflicted upon mankind by SOME evil prone Muslims.
As such we should condemn every part and bits of evil oozing from that overall evil ethos of Islam, not Muslims btw.
Here is one example amongst the many types of evils and violence committed by SOME evil prone Muslims;
Those who are ignorant of what is really in the Quran, i.e. the terrible evil and violence element plus the misogyny verses, then praised Islam as a peaceful religion, deserved to be called ignorant b…ds. [like PM Trudeau in the OP] for they are ultimately & indirectly complicit to the real evils committed by SOME Muslims [not all] who are born with an active evil tendency.
Here are some verses where women are not presented in a good light;
in = mine.
2:222. They [Muslims] question thee (O Muhammad) concerning menstruation.
Say: It [menstruation] is an illness, so let women alone at such time and go not in unto them till they are cleansed.
And when they have purified themselves, then go in unto them as Allah hath enjoined upon you.
Truly Allah loveth those [Muslims] who turn unto Him, and loveth those [Muslims] who have a care for cleanness.
33:32. O ye wives of the Prophet! Ye are not like any other women. If ye keep [wives] your duty (to Allah), then be not soft of speech, lest he [infidel] in whose heart is a disease aspire (to you), but utter customary speech.
33:33. [Allahs’ Instructions to the wives]
And stay in your houses. Bedizen [dress tastelessly] not yourselves with the bedizenment of the Time of ignorance [of the past re Noah or Abraham]. Be regular in prayer, and pay the poor due [zakat], and obey Allah and His messenger. Allah’s wish is but to remove uncleanness far from you [wives], O Folk of the Household, and cleanse you with a thorough cleansing. [Women presumed unclean]
Elsewhere:
From Quran
with comments
Quran (4:11) - (Inheritance) “The male shall have the equal of the portion of two females” (see also verse 4:176). In Islam, sexism is mathematically established.
Quran (2:282) - (Court testimony) “And call to witness, from among your men, two witnesses. And if two men be not found then a man and two women.”
Muslim apologists offer creative explanations to explain why Allah felt that a man’s testimony in court should be valued twice as highly as a woman’s, but studies consistently show that women are actually less likely to tell lies than men, meaning that they make more reliable witnesses.
Quran (2:228) - “and the men are a degree above them [women]”
Quran (5:6) - “And if ye are unclean, purify yourselves. And if ye are sick or on a journey, or one of you cometh from the closet, or ye have had contact with women, and ye find not water, then go to clean, high ground and rub your faces and your hands with some of it”
Men are to rub dirt on their hands, if there is no water to purify them, following casual contact with a woman (such as shaking hands).
Quran (24:31) - Women are to lower their gaze around men, so they do not look them in the eye. (To be fair, men are told to do the same thing in the prior verse).
Quran (2:223) - “Your wives are as a tilth unto you; so approach your tilth when or how ye will…”
A man has dominion over his wives’ bodies as he does his land. This verse is overtly sexual. There is some dispute as to whether it is referring to the practice of anal intercourse. If this is what Muhammad meant, then it would appear to contradict what he said in Muslim (8:3365).
Quran (4:3) - (Wife-to-husband ratio) “Marry women of your choice, Two or three or four” Inequality by numbers.
Quran (53:27) - “Those who believe not in the Hereafter, name the angels with female names.”
Angels are sublime beings, and would therefore be male.
Quran (4:24) and Quran (33:50) - A man is permitted to take women as sex slaves outside of marriage. Note that the verse distinguishes wives from captives (those whom they right hand possesses).
From Hadith & Sira
with comments.
Sahih Bukhari (6:301) - “[Muhammad] said, ‘Is not the evidence of two women equal to the witness of one man?’ They replied in the affirmative. He said, ‘This is the deficiency in her intelligence.’”
Sahih Bukhari (6:301) - continued - “[Muhammad said] ‘Isn’t it true that a woman can neither pray nor fast during her menses?’ The women replied in the affirmative. He said, ‘This is the deficiency in her religion.’” Allah has made women deficient in the practice of their religion as well, by giving them menstrual cycles.
Sahih Bukhari (2:29) - Women comprise the majority of Hell’s occupants. This is important because the only women in heaven mentioned explicitly by Muhammad are the virgins who serve the sexual desires of men. (A weak Hadith, Kanz al-`ummal, 22:10, even suggests that 99% of women go to Hell).
Sahih Bukhari (62:81) - "The Prophet said: “‘The stipulations most entitled to be abided by are those with which you are given the right to enjoy the (women’s) private parts (i.e. the stipulations of the marriage contract).’” In other words, the most important thing a woman brings to marriage is between her legs.
Sahih Bukhari (62:58) - A woman presents herself in marriage to Muhammad, but he does not find her attractive, so he “donates” her on the spot to another man.
Sahih Muslim (4:1039) - “A’isha said [to Muhammad]: ‘You have made us equal to the dogs and the asses’” These are the words of Muhammad’s favorite wife, complaining of the role assigned to women under Islam.
Abu Dawud (2:704) - “…the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) said: When one of you prays without a sutrah, a dog, an ass, a pig, a Jew, a Magian, and a woman cut off his prayer, but it will suffice if they pass in front of him at a distance of over a stone’s throw.”
Abu Dawud (2155) - Women are compared to slaves and camels with regard to the “evil” in them.
Ishaq 593 - “As for Ali, he said, ‘Women are plentiful, and you can easily change one for another.’” Ali was raised as a son by Muhammad. He was also the 4th caliph. This comment was made in Muhammad’s presence without a word of rebuke from him.
Ishaq 593 - “From the captives of Hunayn, Allah’s Messenger gave [his son-in-law] Ali a slave girl called Baytab and he gave [future Caliph] Uthman a slave girl called Zaynab and [future Caliph] Umar another.” - Even in this world, Muhammad treated women like party favors, handing out enslaved women to his cronies for sex.
Ibn Ishaq (693) - “Then the apostle sent Sa-d b. Zayd al-Ansari, brother of Abdu’l-Ashal with some of the captive women of Banu Qurayza to Najd and he sold them for horses and weapons.” Muhammad traded captured women for horses.
Al-Tirmidhi 3272 - “When Allah’s Messenger was asked which woman was best he replied, ‘The one who pleases (her husband) when he looks at her, obeys him when he gives a command, and does not go against his wishes regarding her person or property by doing anything of which he disapproves’.”
Tabari VIII:117 - The fate of more captured farm wives, whom the Muslims distributed amongst themselves as sex slaves: “Dihyah had asked the Messenger for Safiyah when the Prophet chose her for himself… the Apostle traded for Safiyah by giving Dihyah her two cousins. The women of Khaybar were distributed among the Muslims.”
Tabari IX:137 - “Allah granted Rayhana of the Qurayza to Muhammad as booty.”
Ishaq 969 - “Lay injunctions on women kindly, for they are prisoners with you having no control of their persons.” - This same text also says that wives may be beaten for “unseemliness”.
Tabari Vol 9, Number 1754 - “Treat women well, for they are [like] domestic animals with you and do not possess anything for themselves.” From Muhammad’s ‘Farewell Sermon’.
Reality couldn’t care less about your bigotry.
What works is what works (aka “I am that I am”).
Regardless of whatever evil you claim they do, until I see better from you…
Prove my criticisms of the evil acts of SOME Muslims who are influenced by evil laden elements from the Quran [in part] is bigotry.
Note my OP ‘Do not Bash Muslims’ and I am only criticizing the evil laden verses in the Quran and not the whole of Quran. There is no indication of total intolerance [bigotry] in this case.
[After the moderator’s reminder, note I have refrained from stating any thing personally offensive to any one).
If you cannot prove ‘bigotry’ in my case, you are goading others.
Are you saying no one in this world should criticize evil [as defined] wherever they exist because “we are what we are”?
Actually being able to choose running around nude has a lot to do with religion and free to choose. You are fine with your restrictions but, think another ethical/moral religious restriction is bad. You are free to choose nudity and you know there will be repercussions. A 14 year old child knows restrictions and is free to choose to follow or face repercussions. An adult is free to choose or not. Even a slave can .
Reread what I said about 14 yr olds , no gender was mentioned. No sane intelligent parent would turn a 14 yr old boy or girl loose with money and no restrictions. A rare very responsible 14 yr old might be trusted.
A deeply conservative religious intelligent family absolutely would not ever, unless they beat that child into subservience which would mean your 14 yr old would not have even thought of buying a short skirt or even be able to.
Your 14 yr old the way you set it up had freedom to choose:
“If 14-year-old girl is called a whore by her father and brothers because she is wearing a ‘short’ skirt to school … How do you think she will react? Will she be able to stand up to them? Is she going to take the punishments? Is she prepared to die for that principle?”
If that 14 yr old who knew the rules and principals of her family did such a thing then yes she is prepared.
She freely chose. If that 14 year old was beaten down before hand about the inevitable childhood infractions, then she freely chose. No way, no how will an average or above 14 yr old, a 13 yr old not know what they are doing.
So unless you can prove all the women are routinely beaten down into absolute subservience or are bred to be unthinking creatures, the women are free to choose.
James, your star trek autism says that all cultures are equal, even if they are barbaric. Prime directive bullshit. If an impending asteroid will wipe out all life on the planet, star trek autism says it is morally wrong to save their society.
You’re acting like Islam has some kind of goal. It has no goal other than perpetuating itself. Islam teaches males to have no goal other than Islam, so it makes males essentially “How can I help you get us there”, it’s a feminizing religion, and you’re acting like it’s the salvation of masculinity and the salvation of nature or something.
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What in the Hell do Star Trek themes have to do with ME???
I have never said anything about anyone or any thing being equal. 
The ONLY thing that I have said is that what they do with their own kind works for them. Unlike most of Western feminized societies, they are not decaying, but growing. One of the reasons is that they maintain the polarization of the genders.
If you want to dis them, it would be good if you bother to merely do it in a better way. Christianity was relatively kicking their ass. When they gave up on Christianity, they invited in their own foes.
An infectious tumor grows too, why so supportive.
War mongering is war mongering, not helping.
If you want to defeat Islam, just do it right.
The Quran is not going to be ruling the world.
I could see women supporting this view to avoid having sex with men they didn’t want to have sex with (their husbands). Women used to use menstruation as an excuse not to have sex (going even as far as cutting themselves to fake menstrual bleeding). Victorian women did that too. So, in paternalistic societies, the uclean view can work in women’s favor by giving them another excuse not to have sex.
Damn, had not thought of that angle 
you probably nailed it. Even if you love the guy, men have a much more primitive higher sex drive.
I also suspect that the gross misunderstanding of female anatomy may have been supported, if not influenced by women themselves. In paternalistic socieites, the less men know about female bodies the better…for women I mean.
Women have a equally primitive sex drive if not more so. Due to modern schizophrenia it is simply more hidden from themselves. Males tend to be aroused to nurturing behavoirs, women tend to be aroused to assholes and brutes behavoirs so hmm please run that by me again once more, and with feeling.
There is that as well but, that would only apply to specific groups within that religion. Public education, world entertainment would change all but the secluded.
I was too hasty with this assumption. It’s true that women would want to (covertly) preserve the control over their sexuality and reproductive system in paternalistic societies, but so would men. Women were often isolated in a controlled environment which put them at disadvantage. So we had situations where female genital mutilation was accepted and even situations where men knew that she was pregnant even before the (often very young) woman herself did. This was accomplished through access to medical practitioners, which could be done only with man’s permission.
Some women [especially the older ones] may even favor Islam permission for a man to have four wives to enable them to have break from having to fake orgasm.
Nah, sex is not the point here.
The point is the overall attitude of misogyny towards women within Islam [note the verses that I quoted] that brought forth much sufferings to Muslims women in general and their evil attitude towards non-Muslims women as well in many aspects of their life besides sex.
Basically it is Islam degrading the female basic human dignity and treating her like a sub-human with the permission from an all powerful God, Allah.
As Allah stated in many verses in the Quran, women are owned and can be beaten by their husband and viewed as a piece of sh:t and be treated like sub-humans by Muslim males. This is already a reality as committed by SOME [not all] Muslims who has active evil tendencies and that is with the sanction of Allah, i.e. because Allah said so!
Would you accept to be treated in such a manner?
If not, at least extent some compassion to the women who has already suffered or are suffering the evils of such a brutal ideology [in part, not whole].
Just like the other religious texts the Quran has different interpretations of original words.
You are correct.
The default of any religious believers [especially the Abrahamic religion] is they MUST be bias toward their own beliefs regardless of whether it is true or false, else the faith will not work for their salvation.
Thus it is very common where some verses and words in the Quran are translated from one extreme to other extreme by different translators depending on their necessary personal bias and interests. The Quran is translated into English by the very moderate Muslims like the Ahmadiyahs and by those from other extremes, the Salafist/Wahabbis.
This is why reading the verse within context of the paragraph, the chapter, the whole Quran, the ethos of Islam, its history and the whole of reality is critical to arrive at a rational truth of what was the original intended message.
In addition at least some knowledge of the Arabic language [of old Quran, not modern Arabic], i.e. semantics, grammar, other basics are essential.
I used Pickthall’s translation of the Quran as my main reference and cross reference to another 45++ [yes & seriously] English translations of the Quran. I don’t do that all the time but only where I think there is likely to be controversy and ambiguity.
In addition, I read a wide range of commentaries of Islamic scholars from a range of background, plus whatever is necessary to understand Islam thoroughly.
As for the misogyny elements and verses in the Quran and Islam, that is without doubt if one were to read the Quran in its full range of context. The reality of misogyny within Islam is so evident with tons of empirical evidences [because Allah said so] from throughout the world wherever there are Muslims.