The Devil is God

Actually, beyond western notions, all that I’ve spoken of still remains true or did you forget that I base my work on the accumulation of all philosophies rolled into an all encompassing one, including theology as philosophy, science, even math to a degree.

Just lumped them together, turned the blender on and watched as they settled into place. But, no, keep making your assumptions and please continue your retardism of false conjecture thinking I’m speaking along terms such as you’ve described. Don’t you know that the white man, America, humans in general, and western religion is prominent on the world stage alongside democracy and a blend of world cultures into one for a reason? Of course you didnt know that. You never bothered to actually look, did you. Just made your assumptions and tried to strut like the false philosophers and thinkers that you are.

And here we go again…

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Actually, gib, there are 4 major players:

  1. The God
  2. Man (as in Ahdam and Eve)
  3. Devil
  4. Savior

3 and 4, in a sense, compete in the heart and mind of Man to malign or align (respectively) Man from God.

It is Man who is pretending to be God by the persuasion of the Devil. The Savior attempts to wake Man up to the fact that he isn’t God and should respect the difference.

"Ich bin ein Teil von jener Kraft, // Die stets das Böse will und stets das Gute schafft. // … Ich bin der Geist, der stets verneint! // Und das mit Recht; denn alles, was entsteht, // ist wert, daß es zugrunde geht; // Drum besser wärs, daß nichts entstünde. // So ist denn alles, was ihr Sünde, // Zerstörung, kurz das Böse nennt, // Mein eigentliches Element.

Ich bin ein Teil des Teils, der anfangs alles war, // Ein Teil der Finsternis, die sich das Licht gebar, // Das stolze Licht, das nun der Mutter Nacht // Den alten Rang, den Raum ihr streitig macht. // Und doch gelingt’s ihm nicht, da es, so viel es strebt, // Verhaftet an den Körpern klebt.“ - Johann Wolfgang (von) Goethe, Faust (I), 1790 / 1808, S. 64-67.
Translation:
"I am Part of that Power which would // The Evil ever do, and ever does the Good. // … I am the Spirit that denies! // And rightly too; for all that doth begin // Should rightly to destruction run; // 'Twere better then that nothing were begun. // Thus everything that you call Sin, // Destruction - in a word, as Evil represent- // That is my own, real element.

But I’m part of the Part which at the first was all, // Part of the Darkness that gave birth to Light, // The haughty Light that now with Mother Night // Disputes her ancient rank and space withal, // And yet 'twill not succeed, since, // strive as strive it may, // Fettered to bodies will Light stay.“ - Johann Wolfgang (von) Goethe, Faust (I), 1790 / 1808, p. 64-67.

  1. God
  2. Eve
  3. Everything else descends

God=reason with less emotions
Eve=emotions with less reason

From a psychoanalytic perspective, I could believe that.

Savior=superego
Man=ego
Devil=id

So what does that make God? The universe?

Only two serious players, but God can trump Eve if he ever stops adoring her through his gritted teeth.

Gotta love MM’s illusion to totally leave Man out of the picture such that it is only Eve and God.
… typical new world odor … anything to delete white men and Jesus… :icon-rolleyes:

Man is not a serious player JSS. Deal with it. Sorry. Man is played. Hamster wheels in space. Man playing out his ego.

Sounds like Mongoose places man in the roll of God–can’t get any more patriarchal than that–but he’s probably Hispanic, so she’s still a racist.

If “the devil is God”, or “Christ is the Antichrist”, or the like, then it just means that the whole world of those who believe in God resp. in Christ has been turned upside down, has been defeated.

Arm,

RF didn’t say God and the Devil are one in the same. He said the the Devil does more for humanity than God and therefor the Devil should be God, as in replace.

I did not say that he said that God and the Devil were the same.

The Devil is real and he is Turd Furgeson.

Never mind. Nobody wrote nothing.

Yes, full of envy, resentment, revenge, hate, and megalomania - always trolling and faking.

My friend, the times gone are but in sum
A book with seven seals protected;
What ‘spirit of the times’ you call,
Good sirs, is but your spirit’

Goethe, Faust

Re: Rudolf Steiner’s study on Karmic effects in Goethe’s Faust

That is a very good quote too. I like it very much.

I didn’t say that, either.

Yes, that is right.