Trump Supporter

Ucci,

My reply to you:
"The original headline reads:
“4 in custody after mentally disabled man tied up, tortured on Facebook Live”
Ucci, what information from the article you linked indicated the victim was a “Trump Supporter” as you have claimed in >your< title?
“Although President-elect Donald Trump was mentioned, Chicago Police do not believe the crime was politically motivated.”
Perhaps you have another source that indicates the victims political affiliation, that you hadn’t posted.

I read the post and even updated my flash player just so I could see if there was something in the video that went along with the story that made mention that the victim was a trump supporter.
When you did not provide a link, it seemed reasonable to question, if you made it up? Given the venom and hate represented in your title and the post.

So our debate will center on “your claim”, and secondarily on your exampled lack of civility, which in this opinion renders you impotent as an effective moderator.

I am ready anytime you are.

Carleas, I’ve butted heads with you a few times, but you do example a civility sadly lacking on this site. I do remember the forum rules were “boiler plate” but as they have been left to stand as is without modification, they are the only rules we have. I will address them as indicated, they are the rules to with which we must agree to become members, I will anticipate you will enforce them, as they are, “boiler plate” as they may be. You have made them a contract to which I and every member (moderators included) have had to acknowledge with a click of the mouse.

If such criteria in judging need be, and I could be declared a looser twice in this debate, it doesn’t matter to me. I’ve been declared a looser on this site so many times, two more aren’t even going to change the percentages by a fraction of a degree.

So, let us move forward in pursuit of truth.

Mowk, we’re in a new era now…

The post modern rhetoricians finally feel heard instead of disenfranchised …

Uccisore will state, " I will say anything I want, all is great because I am great, you will all love me for it, I’m going to do everything, and you will all love me for it. I’m marvelous no matter what I do, and because I do it, you are all marvelous, everything is marvelous… Raping is marvelous, we’re all marvelous… Just a little bit of raping, I Trump, set the standard… Women just need to know their pussies are mine and that it’s marvelous…" Etc…

He’s definitely a Trump supporter… If trump were a moderator, he’d be Uccisore

So you want to debate a single question that I already answered? I called the victim a Trump supporter because his attackers clearly thought he was, and because numerous headlines across the internet said he was, that’s all. Nobody has given any definitive proof one way or the other since then, so maybe he wasn’t a Trump supporter and the kidnappers just thought he was. It’s a ‘hate crime’ against Trump supporters regardless.

For the third time, my source is a simple Google search- look up the incident, see how many headlines call the victim a “Trump Supporter”. That’s why I said it.

What made it reasonable to continue to question it after I explained to you why I said what I said multiple times, and what made it reasonable for you to refuse to acknowledge my statement and trail off into a bunch of incoherent horseshit like a raving fucking derelict in the thread, and what made it reasonable for you to ‘challenge me to a debate’ on the matter when you hadn’t bothered to reply when I already spelled it out for you?

So you want to debate two completely different things- one of the already addressed, and one of them just a criticism of my character based completely on your opinion? Sounds wonderful, but…I’m gonna have to pass. You could always try challenging to me on a debate of some matter of interest in philosophy or political science- but I think we both know how that would go- you’d declare yourself bored of the conversation the moment I started to make you look foolish, and start replying with haikus or some shit. Go on, tell me I’m wrong.

So the debate has begun. Let’s get started then.

You have halfway answered it now, thank you.

That is not specific enough, to make the claim. As the claimant you are responsible for the validation. If it is such a simple matter. Then do your google search and pick one and post it. The Headline from the post you did link to, did not describe the incident in th the manner you have, nor was it mentioned in the story or video that followed.

I see your civility hasn’t improved.

I claim no exclusive ownership of the opinion. My argument with you as moderator has everything to do with you not following the rules of the forum. If a moderator does not follow the rules he won’t enforce them either. You continue to respond to all who disagree with you in an intolerant and demeaning manner, and as result the forum you moderate has become much the same.

Ironic

Good catch. I spotted that too. :wink:

Not how this works. This thread should focus on identifying the question and the terms of the debate, at which point a debate thread will be created. If you just want a normal argument, continue the discussion that was already started in SG&E.

This doesn’t seem like a very good question for a debate. The first part is whether the kidnapped and abused man was a Trump supporter, which is a question of fact and results in a debate consisting of lists of URLs.

The second part is just complaining about a moderator, which goes better in Meta. Debates are meant to be spectator affairs, and two people bickering about which one is the jerk just sounds boring.

Carleas, I understand, but to continue the discussion in SG&E would simply put myself in a position to be on the butt end of more uncivil responses. That forum is a circus of incivility. I sometimes have to edit myself, because the constant onslaught of demeaning remarks is taxing and my emotions get away from me. Querry? was such a circumstance. I was beginning to act in kind, and deleted my remarks and replaced them with the word querry.

this< doesn’t feel like a community. As I have said before, You are a “square-sort” and I will leave you to your board.

This too is not what the Debate forum is for.

What is SG&E for members of and for the sake of this supposed com-m-unity, pls. Spell it out; even for those whose only intent is to fol-low. Otherwise they may mis-inter-pret a signification of a code.

Everybody is biased including yourself. No such thing as a non biased person.

Sorry Snoop Dog, you’ve got nothing.

Now? I haven’t said a single thing in this thread that I didn’t say to you twice before already.

You had your chance to discuss this with me in the actual thread about the subject. You elected to subject the thread to a textual seizure of some sort instead. I have nothing new to say, you haven’t challenged anything I said in any substantial way, there’s nothing to talk about.

As Carleas has said:

this isn’t the place<

Even I, an emotionally crippled, intellectually retarded, flaming idiot got it. And you Ucci, seek to make fun of it.

You win. I am every bit your intellectual inferior. I don’t have the right to add question to anything you claim. I drink from what ever toilet you require.

But damn, I was really moved by that piece Carleas wrote about the community of philosophy. I really bought it. I am a stupid idiot for having bought into such unimplemented rhetoric.

I gotta go now again and recharge my human battery. I really hate myself when I can’t understand. You may paint that picture any way that serves you, and you have. Best of luck to you my personal grind stone. Hone an edge against that wheel too harshly and it has surely cracked.

I’ll be in my hole, attempting to rebuild any self esteem I have had for myself. You really showed me what life is all about. Gratitude. That’s a life lesson that requires a second or third look.

Carelas, In this opinion, there is no where that makes the question of bullying the wrong place. But as you have stated. >this< isn’t it.

Except to those who go by the motto: ‘If some thing doesn’t kill someone, it will make him stronger.’& to them, no place is the wrong place, but then again…

I am grateful we were able to skip straight to this part instead of having a ‘debate’ first.

So am I.

It feeds you. You live on it. Addicted. If you don’t get ‘it’ you are a crab and a rather toxic guy to be around. You are the ringmaster of a circus of incivility.

Any time I can provide you your fix and we can get about with a more civil discourse; I’m your dealer. I’ll peddle you your hearts desire.

I don’t think I’ve said how smart Ucci is. It’s really quite amazing. Everyone must agree.

Your post history is available to anybody who wants to look at it. What proportion of civil discourse will I find there?

It may be time consider that I’m not the reason for your dissatisfaction.

First round goes to Uccisore.

Interesting question Ucci. I certainly have no record of ever being banned for it, no record for even being issued a warning for it, in your forum or any of the others. That could in part be due to a rather lax tolerance for it in general. Anytime you’d like to issue me a warning, and you’ve had the capacity all along.

Also an interesting question. Have you, as a moderator, ever issued a warning for incivility to anyone?

Here are the rules PavlovianModel146 issued for the forum prior to you.

And your Rule:

You are the ringmaster, “SG&E people” are posting it almost constantly and you add to it in kind.

We could take a poll: which forum represents the most incivility?