@ James - you are making good sense and I appreciate your detailed reasoning. I humbly admit to finding some of what you say very hard to follow but I am happy to keep trying until I understand what you are saying. I should add that it is only useful to me - if when what you say to me makes sense - and that my feedback to yourself in turn makes sense to you - otherwise I feel I have learnt nothing. I hope I am making myself clear here.
I expect you to be brutal James - I mean that in a philosophical sense. I say this because I would prefer to have a bruised ego and get closer to things that makes sense and so far my experience with you has made a lot of sense. I particularly appreciate your help with my first thread: Bounded Rationality. I still remember one of the first things you ever said to me, “welcome to the acid bath”.
I will openly admit that I take everyone’s input on the threads that I have started seriously. I do not always agree with the views presented but I do spend time thinking about what people provide in way of input.
I am actually quite glad that you use the social analogy. I am interested here in the individual person and people in society. I do think it is worth discussing the social side more in depth. I am happy to discuss both so long as you are happy to discuss both. I see your example of the US Congress as a social situation in itself and it is obvious that this particular social situation comes with its own variety of weaknesses. I also appreciate that you are not bias to the east or west - I find this to be objective in nature and I really like objective thinking. Your discussion talks about Socialism, Communism, Capitalism and Democracy in an objective fashion and I am sure that we will expand on this if and as needed.
Oh I was already aware that it was not an exclusive statement and I appreciate your elaboration on the facts at hand. I totally agree with you that emotion is not the only outcome of mental states and your comment about moods arising without the driving force of emotions. I also will say right now that: I do not believe that mood and emotion is the same thing intrinsically hence the name of the thread.
You wont get an argument from me on this point hence I pointed out the discrepancy in my own logic.
I quote myself as follows:
Note the changing direction of the arrows. I think what you have is much better.
And I quote:
And the feedback I mention is like your:
Well not exactly alike but I do sense a similar point of view.
Even though I was aware of the discrepancy when I looked at what I wrote after the fact I thought: well . . . I will leave it and see what you come up with and I prefer the extensions too for that matter.
i.e.
a) State of Mind (aka “mood”)
b) Logical-reasoning (consisting of typical logic arguments)
c) et cetera
Leaving the discrepancy in as it turns out made for a much more interesting interaction. I can hear you now: “Surely there is something better to do with youth?”
On a serious note though - one should not try too hard to confuse her/his opponent in a debate/conversation - but if the interlocutors are skilled enough then no harm should be done and in this case I think there was a lot to be gained.
Backing up a little:
This is the third time we have been here - I feel like I deserve to be punished - I will admit though that it makes me laugh every time. You are definitely being consistent I will give you that. Now to answer the question: I really do not know why I arrive at this all the time but I do think it may be time for me to fix that.
You know I am going to make another post with logic/reasoning that has been reconciled right?
A) That is a good question James, I think it could be difficult for me to answer - I have a gut feeling that things boil down to some sort of duality.
B) I suspect I am just trying to confuse myself, it wouldn’t be the first time.
The good old invalid syllogism(not to be confused with a correct syllogism) - maybe that is my problem. I will attempt to change it and get back to you. I am still thinking that there are drivers to a logical response and I am certain that emotion affects this, so back to the state of mind.
I see we have a lot to talk about here. Initially we start with no idea what to expect until eventually we learn enough to start perceiving what we initially had no idea about. There is quite a bit of reinforcement going on here, but I am sure I don’t need to tell you that. So by whatever means one comes to perceive something, it nonetheless becomes a part of their reality. Quoting the second meaning from google: the way in which something is regarded, understood, or interpreted. “Hollywood’s perception of the tastes of the American public” and the first meaning: the ability to see, hear, or become aware of something through the senses. “the normal limits to human perception”. Again being affected by emotion or would you disagree? I am not necessarily disagreeing with you just that there is a slight ambiguity between us here. We could even be arguing the same point here and using slightly different terminology.
Again I expect you to be brutally honest - if what I say sounds like rubbish then I expect to be cut down for it or suffer from acid burns.
All of this aside: I sense I have slightly deviated from mood - but we have at least been covering topics that this thread is about. Now back to the social side of the whole deal . . . Social Mood and SAM Coops.
I again commend you: you are making good sense and I appreciate your detailed reasoning.
Just to reiterate: I expect you to be brutally honest.