The only savior man has is himself

Coming from someone who belongs to an ‘I-Me-My’ group consciousness.

What the hell is that. If they want dues for membership, I guess they must have given me a membership free yet never let me know I was a member.

Regards
DL

Your reply is evidence of the accuracy of what I said of you. It is trademark of their activities, their responses. Dare call me crazy? Care to see me unravel you right here in front of everybody? Shake you up to such degree as to make your emotional responses more evident and obvious? All you’ve got to do is say the word, give me the go-ahead. Continue.

Oh my.

I cannot type I am shaking so badly out of fear. :blush:

I have a number of topics on the go. Go craze buddy if you think you have what it takes.

This one might be good if you think you have a winning hand.

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The religious either ran from it or they just did not know how to refute what I put.

Regards
DL

Distraction tactics. Attempt to drag me off topic, off track and try to beat me with experienced stupidity.

In case you’re wondering, I am not your Savior, I am not your King; I am not your Lord; and this will not be over quickly.

K: the question of a “savior” turns on the question of being saved…

what does man need to be saved from or saved for?

I reject the concept of human beings needing be to be saved…
because it implies that we needed to be saved…

I see nothing in human existence that requires us to be saved for or
from…

I reject the concept that humans need to be “redeemed”
because once again, I don’t see what or why we need to be “redeemed”…

it is a false question and a false statement… to be saved or to be redeemed or
to have a savoir implies that we need it and we don’t…it is enough
to understand that we are just human beings and that is enough…

Kropotkin

I agree. As I’ve said countless times, they heap their sins on Jesus Christ in scapegoat fashion and expect to be saved from the consequences of their own actions, compounded by the ‘sins’ forced upon them in so many veins of force-perception, some of it rational and actual good psychology, the rest a bunch of bullshit. They refuse to face the father for what they do to the son in making him a whipping boy pack mule, what modern language would call ‘bitch’ in all terms of slang-use.

Exactly what is it they want to be saved from? Which of their fears in their nest of insecurities can they be saved from and if they are to be saved from them, then wouldn’t it be by proper psychology through a reasoning engine that would be, if the fucker exists, God prescribed? Rather than some flashy son of man coming in waving his hands and snapping his fingers and flashbanging a Heaven on them all that they don’t deserve and would ruin almost instantaneously.

They paint the proper picture, 'God is the beginning and the End, the Alpha and the Omega; we are made in his image; he is an authoritarian and disciplinarian, but he is fair; Beautiful and awesome in his majesty and terrifying in his wrath. They turned their God into their Devil and refuse to face the facts that Lucifer Morningstar is more of a fit heir to the throne than any Michael the Archangel or Jesus Christ. By his very name, Morningstar and the fact that God saves his toughest battles for his strongest warriors and he himself wades out onto the battlefield; what can they expect other than him facing their problems as just another individual, as an equal and solving them on the appropriate levels, since they apply to his levels as well. Equality.

And then, save them from what will find them anyway in just a moments distraction and so they hate their God for another reason, for being the perfect devil in giving them lessons in pain to counter the actual twisted ones with actual sound medicine by delivering to them their lessons in pain as inoculation and preventive medicine.

And that God would be born and raised as one of them, not knowing his weight until he grew into it, not some mind they can not fathom. Not some perfect being that is unsuited to judge the imperfect, but a motherfucker who is likely to swear, likely to indulge in drugs, likely to find himself homeless, likely to be anything other than the poster-bitch they want to make him into. And so much of eternity is beyond God and the devil, beyond that dichotomy, so they think themselves safe to tear apart his shit, only to find him in every aspect of life again, ever the warrior, ever the peacemaker, ever the vengeful one in waging a perfect war of righteousness and in peace for a peace that will never be able to be claimed or reached. They fear him, they want nothing to do with him, they think themselves better and have found themselves losing.

It will be at this rate. You challenge, I accept, and you call it a distraction.

Go away fool.

Regards
DL

Some guy, just to be clear…I think you are a child. You’ve got the emotional maturity of a 15 year old who just got dumped by his first girlfriend. You don’t have a right to behave like an asshole…no matter what your mommy did to you. And again, to be clear, I mean for this post to be condescending, as well as pretty much every other thing I’ve ever said to you. You not a respectable poster, and you have the personality of a slice of toast.

You’re also a poor writer. Edit that shit for God’s sake. Redundancy is a real thing.

Keep talking your shit, both of you. I’ve gone through and formed and proven the theories on mental and spiritual time travel, mapped out the psychology of trolls and provided a hunters guide that preceded and paved the way for my later work in dealing with the unending legion. I have formalized and proven the theories of the existence of God, the Devil, all supernatural and paranormal. I have conquered politics by bringing it to its knees in dealing with gutterscum just like you. I’ve brought philosophy to its knees in practicality, eradicating the vaguenesses that allowed people like you to have too much power with your negativity and downward-pulling bullshit. I have performed a perfect righteous self-resurrection, seen the light of Heaven before it was blasted by the light of Hell, was glad to see the presence of things that would have each of you reacting in panicked terror.

And I’m not done, yet, this isn’t me just stroking my mental cock; my ego. This is me serving you cold, shutting you down.

I have conquered and reformatted the English language to convey and express sentiments heretofore blocked out by the childish negativity and downward-pulling bullshit that I have already mentioned once and now twice in the same post for a different reason. I have lifted high reason with rationality to conquer even the devils drugs in the devils den as I perform the work of the Lord; my own damn self. I have had you asshats breathing down my fucking back, my fucking neck and just now and for a moment you get back to your feet and think you can come at me again and now further play games for gamings sake. I don’t play games. I definitely don’t play the ones not worth playing and while you shitheaded little cunts call it a game and fuck with me even now while I write and type this, in fact, I have sensed the same so many times over the years its not even funny anymore, to use a tired and cliche statement for the occasion. I sense your laughter, I sense your mockery while I type this, knowing you’ll read it later and you are so caught up in me and my gravity, its not even funny. You are so filled with love of me that you turn it into a perversity and I’m tired of being raped by your attentions.

This isn’t me being intimate. This isn’t me being nice or sentimental. These swearwords aren’t being said with sweet attachments to show how fond I am of you. I am telling the truth.

I want people like you to die. To die in the worst and most horrible ways possible; just to shut your punk-bitch asses up. Just to shut you up.

This is what they wrote of me before I ever even lived:

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXYIxJScSik[/youtube]

Keep pretending you’re not in my house. Keep up your attitudes and disrespect and scornful mockery and try to punk me and put me beneath and below you. Keep hurting yourselves as others did once upon a time screaming stupidities such as ‘YOLO’. Keep breaking yourselves against me. Keep hitting your heads upon the unbreakable rock, the impenetrable barrier.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0eXIOK2vOhM[/youtube]

Do me a favor and wear this for me, for just a little while. Be careful, though; it hurts a little at first:

Would hope man being his only savior beats being crucified, in full view, knowing or hoping against all hope not to give the impression that he really believed that his only begotten father abandoned him.

Why if fathers acted like this, how much more, friends ?

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTFVMMCwsss[/youtube]

Regards
DL

It happens that I am working on a new O.P. that I hope you can evaluate for me.

I try for a catchy title but sometimes miss the mark. Please tell me your thoughts on it.

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God the father, or God the deadbeat dad?

The use of the term Father in speaking of God is quite ancient and was around way before Jesus started using the term, even though he used son of man a lot more than son of God.

A son calling someone father in the proud way Jesus did is respecting a worthy father, but if we look at Yahweh, I do not see how anyone could be proud of such a father.

Yahweh is definitely portrayed as being quite vile thanks to his use of genocide, infanticide and punishing the innocent instead of the guilty quite often. Yahweh is also shown to covet Joseph’s wife, cuckold Joseph, produce a son and then take off for parts unknown leaving his responsibility for his son to others thus showing himself to be a deadbeat dad.

Scripture say that we are all sons of God. To be relevant to his children, a father has to be around to interact with them. It seems that God does not want to be relevant to us as he remains absentee and places us, his children, at the mercy of people who have written scripture more to enrich themselves than to give us the messages from God that they claim to know. Even though scriptures say that God id unknowable and unfathomable and his desires cannot be known.

My analysis of the bible and God does not show God to be a good father.

Do you, as a child of God, see God as a good father or as more of a deadbeat dad?

Regards
DL

Hello.

Honestly , I see, or rather, understand him to be both. He not yet a devil, Yahweh, that is, he has not yet become totally evil. By the time of Christianity, the Satan has become devil, and divided-into an either/or moral personification. I am drawn more toward a more objective view of fatherhood and the son, a more fitting description is drawn by gnostic view of Christianity, which is more akin to older auto-centric interpretations.

I think this accounts for a more ambivalent view of the relationship between the father and the son.
I think ambivalence is more fitting

This is a very hastily assembled narrative, will get back on this to You tomorrow.

Greatest I am,

Does your username refer to God?

Pray tell, where would we be knowledge wise and evolution wise if the scientists of the world had followed that mandate?

Why were we given the capacity to be curious, to wonder, to imagine, to think, to feel, to examine and to discover, ad continuum, if we were put on this Earth to stay away from that which cannot be known?

If we do indeed stay away from that which cannot be known, how do we discover that which can be known?

Oh you of little faith?! :stuck_out_tongue:

Gnostic Christian thinking is always superior to Christian thinking. Or at least that has been my experience.

As to ambivalence; my thinking patterns would reject that term as I am trying to take on more of the Christ mind based on the following.

Matthew 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.

John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

As an esoteric ecumenist, I could likely accept ambivalence if I followed some other method of enlightenment but cannot do so as a Gnostic Christian. My perpetual seeking after God, via Jung and Freud’s Father Complex, in a sense, forces me away from ambivalence.

Regards
DL

You do not find the visible or provable by never having anything to begin with.

As to faith.

Faith closes the mind. It is pure idol worship.

Faith is a way to quit using, “God given” power of Reason and Logic, and cause the faithful to embrace doctrines that moral people reject.

The God of the OT says, “Come now, and let us reason together,” [Isaiah 1:18]

How can literalists reason on God when they must ignore reason and logic and discard them when turning into literalist?

Those who are literalists can only reply somewhat in the fashion that Martin Luther did.
“Faith must trample under foot all reason, sense, and understanding.”
“Reason is a whore, the greatest enemy that faith has.”

This attitude effectively kills all worthy communication that non-theists can have with theist. Faith closes their mind as it is pure idol worship.

Literalism is an evil practice that hides the true messages of myths. We cannot show our faith based friends that they are wrong through their faith colored glasses. Their faith also plugs their ears.

Regards
DL