Charlottesville Virginia Clash.

K: Ok, I’ll play… I almost never watch TV news… if it weren’t for sports,
I wouldn’t even own a TV set… the websites I go to, in no particular
order other then how I remember them… Redstate, realclearpolitics,
on rare occasion Drudge… 538, huffington post, fox news, espn and bleacher report,
think progress, astronomy picture of the day… love that site…cnn…
I am sure there are a couple of others, but I can’t recall them at the moment

I know you will find fault with my choices… go for it…

Kropotkin

More to the point, he is an objectivist. He just flits from one dogma to the next.

Like I used to.

Again, it’s not whether or not what he believes here is true, but that what he believes here is true.

It’s all about embodying [pyschologically] one or another rendition of this:

1] there is a “real me” that transcends contingency, chance and change
2] this “real me” is in sync with one or another understanding of “virtue”
3] “virtue” is embedded in one or another rendition of God, Humanism, ideology, nature. *

Or maybe he doesn’t call it virtue. Maybe he calls it, oh, I don’t know, nature?

Well, unless of course I’m wrong.

  • By the way, this particular “intellectual contraption” is my very latest [copy/paste] groot! :wink:

Oh, and you [Otto] seemed to have abandoned our exchange over on the KT Chimp thread.

This one:

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Okay, the subject I always focus the high beam on here is abortion.

Why?

1] it is a conflicting good that almost everyone is familiar with
2] it is a conflicting good that almost everyone has an opinion about
3] it revolves literally around life and death
4] it is the issue that, embedded in this…

1] I was raised in the belly of the working class beast. My family/community were very conservative. Abortion was a sin.
2] I was drafted into the Army and while on my “tour of duty” in Vietnam I happened upon politically radical folks who reconfigured my thinking about abortion. And God and lots of other things.
3] after I left the Army, I enrolled in college and became further involved in left wing politics. It was all the rage back then. I became a feminist. I married a feminist. I wholeheartedly embraced a woman’s right to choose.
4] then came the calamity with Mary and John. I loved them both but their engagement was foundering on the rocks that was Mary’s choice to abort their unborn baby.
5] back and forth we all went. I supported Mary but I could understand the points that John was making. I could understand the arguments being made on both sides. John was right from his side and Mary was right from hers.
6] I read William Barrett’s Irrational Man and came upon his conjectures regarding “rival goods”.
7] Then, over time, I abandoned an objectivist frame of mind that revolved around Marxism/feminism. Instead, I became more and more embedded in existentialism. And then as more years passed I became an advocate for moral nihilism.

…first propelled me in the general direction of this:

If I am always of the opinion that 1] my own values are rooted in dasein and 2] that there are no objective values “I” can reach, then every time I make one particular moral/political leap, I am admitting that I might have gone in the other direction…or that I might just as well have gone in the other direction. Then “I” begins to fracture and fragment to the point there is nothing able to actually keep it all together. At least not with respect to choosing sides morally and politically.

In other words, there are folks on both sides of the divide – the abortion wars – who construe their own moral/political narrative as anything but dysfunctional and flaky. On the contrary, they almost always perceive those who are not “one of us” on this [and every other issue] as the truly dysfunctional, flaky ones.

Now, if you were to confront these folks – folks for and against abortion – outside any particular clinic, how would you go about arguing that, with respect to the act shredding the life of the unborn, you see “describing human morality as dysfunctional or flaky” here “as no cause of alarm”?

Maybe I am just not understanding your point.
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Shall we just resume that here? Change the subject from abortion to race?

European ANTIFA is more militant and organized than the USA ANTIFA





ANTIFA always wear face coverings, in Europe full black outfits, but here they haven’t gotten the whole uniform together yet, well, not all of them.

Honestly, I need to check them out for I haven’t heard of many of them. It’s about understanding where your thoughts are coming from, not a critique. Thank you for answering my inquiries. I’ll see what they offer.

WendyDarling: Peter, where do you get your news? How many sources and mediums?"

K: Ok, I’ll play… I almost never watch TV news… if it weren’t for sports,
I wouldn’t even own a TV set… the websites I go to, in no particular
order other then how I remember them… Redstate, realclearpolitics,
on rare occasion Drudge… 538, huffington post, fox news, espn and bleacher report,
think progress, astronomy picture of the day… love that site…cnn…
I am sure there are a couple of others, but I can’t recall them at the moment

I know you will find fault with my choices… go for it…

Kropotkin
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Honestly, I need to check them out for I haven’t heard of many of them. It’s about understanding where your thoughts are coming from, not a critique. Thank you for answering my inquiries. I’ll see what they offer.
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K: in other words, you don’t have any sources you rely on otherwise, you would name them…
I find that very instructive… I seem to rely on far more resources then you do and yet,
you find me “detached from reality” and you have called me “disingenuous” and you called
me “dishonest” and yet, yet, I rely on many more sources then you do, even right wing
sites for example, Redstate and fox news and realclearpolitics…I use as resources…
and yet, I am still “detached from reality” which btw you haven’t shown us HOW, I am
“detached from reality”… how I am “disingenuous” or how I am “dishonest”…
in fact, you haven’t shown us anything yet, no evidence of any kind connecting the
picture in a previous post as being Antifa…just people in black outfits…
which btw is the dress code of many, many work places including my work…
I wear black pants and a black polo shirt every day as part of my work outfit and
I am in fact, wearing right now as I go to work shortly…

I have asked several questions and has yet haven’t seen a single answer from you
or from anybody…I have answer your questions, now answer mine…

Kropotkin

More importantly than all of this - who gives a shit?

Why is it bad if commie-fascist brainwashed morons go kill and get killed?

Why would we want there to not be war?

Because why would we want to live in peace with people as hypocritical as Peter Kropotkin?
You can’t live in peace with fascist collaborators and not also be a fascist collaborator.

So lets just acknowledge that it is war - that the Democrats have declared war on the US and on humanity-
and we, humans, will be glad to answer their call.

Bring it on.

I asked for your answers in good faith and took your answers in good faith but did not think your questions about finding out my “truth” were asked in good faith, so I didn’t believe you really wanted my answers which you have shown in your obnoxious manner of asking, your hateful tone, and facetiousness repeatedly, but since your hostility insists, they are as follows: all of YouTube’s live coverage/footage of news events by various commentary channels and individuals, CNN, CBSN, NBC, MSN.com, Yahoo.com, several TV streaming documentary channels, our local newspaper occasionally on the weekends (usually Sundays), also links that I find on ILP and other random sites, not much talk radio anymore though. :evilfun:

Now back to your negative whining and accusations, what were your questions that I have refused to answer?

What’s above right? Oh goodie, but this is going to take awhile for I owe Carleas my blood first, so you’ll have to get in line, but believe me, I can’t wait to go into depth about your questions, all the perfect examples you afford me on ILP for you are the perfect example.

Personally, I would like nothing more than to see the sjw’s and neonazis engage of an epic clash of destiny so that we would have never hear from either parties ever again.

American neo-nazis could learn a thing or two from European modern day national socialists who abandoned swastika usage decades ago. American neo-nazis and the Klu Klux Klan look like morons parading around that it is deeply embarrassing. They look like a bunch of inbred juvenile larping historical actors. Look at modern day Swedish national socialists, they look far more presentable in appearance publicly.

Of course a lot of American neo-nazis and klan members are full of F.B.I. informants and hired actors from the Southern Poverty Law Center also, there’s that to consider as well.

It will happen eventually one way or another. Like most western nations white European people have been fleeing the cities for rural areas about several decades now. The only white people that stay in cities nowadays are either people that are forced to because of work or the liberal delusionals. At some point white European people are going to run out of places to retreat to and once this happens conflict is inevitable as we become ethnic minorities.

No culture or ethnicity can survive balkanization and close proximity with others for very long.

The corporate neo-liberals have full control of media platforms like Instagram, Reddit, Facebook, Tumblr, and Twitter. In the future anti-establishment people are going to have to become more creative in the age of growing massive internet censorship. Thankfully Carleas hasn’t tried to censor us here which I’m very thankful. Hopefully he doesn’t change his mind on that.

So far unlike Europe, Russia, Canada, and Australia the United States doesn’t have thought crimes laws against Europeans that embrace white identity. So far it it doesn’t…that can change quickly overnight however.

In order to overcome adversity like I said, we need to be creative.

The United States is a military police state international finance oligarchy and plutocracy, it needs to be destroyed along with being rebuilt afterwards as it is currently a blight upon this world.

Peter Kropotkin is a waste of time as he relies very much everyday on his social propaganda matrix.

Exactly James, what we’re witnessing here is some Ukrainian style agitpropping with the latest events coming out of Charlottesville.

Typical leftist drivel that worships authority and state institutions absolutely that denies there are any ongoing conspiracies throughout human history. The naivety and smug gullibility coming from people like you is astounding. The typical liberal will say that human history is without any conspiracies at all.

It is such naive interpretations of human nature that has got us where we are presently.

Well, let us hope that what happened to Nixon doesn’t happen to Trump. If it does it won’t go down as peacefully as it did in the 1970’s. Certainly the circumstances are much different.

Unfortunately Europe (European Union) is a vassal state of the United States with our military bases spread all over there along with our funding of N.A.T.O. I dream that one day Europeans will be independent again to pursue their own lives in independence without being under American yoke and influence. I dream that one day Europeans will shake off the yoke of the European Central Bank and that the Unites States will become free of the Federal Reserve.

(Both institutions work together in conjunction also.)

Americans and Europeans must work together to keep the dream of independence alive in solidarity as we are fighting the same enemies. The American and European struggle are one in the same.

Also, isn’t it interesting how European media takes its directives from American media? Just mind boggling.

Iambiguous why don’t you create a separate thread here instead of KTF and then we can converse together. I grow bored and weary of Know Thyself Forum anyways which is why I haven’t been back there recently. I thought that if I came over there under an olive branch setting aside the past under a clean slate things might be different but as usual my hope for the contrary ends up being fruitless.

Also, while I may be a nihilist I am not completely ignorant of practical matters concerning pragmatism. Solipsism, individual preference, and subjectivism will only get you so far in this world which is never enough. Of course I admit publicly these were things which I struggled with in the past but I’m trying to elevate myself onto new horizons trying to transcend all of that.

I definitely don’t describe myself as an objectivist either but like I said we can discuss that in another thread.

erm… Russia conspiracy.
Koch brothers…

People tend to want to make sense of the world but there is also a need for emotional stability and security.

An example from the right wing would be the negative emotional conditioning towards National Socialism.
For what I am saying it doesn’t matter if this negative conditioning is good or bad but it’s very much present.
Either way, because of this there is an impulse to denounce everything which looks too much like what we picture as National Socialism but at the same time White people increasingly realise the misery of White Privilege self-censorship, the reality of racial differences and the pushing of anti-White hatred through the media, academia and so forth pushes them to become more ‘fashy’.
So because they can’t embrace elements which are associated with National Socialism in their mind, without their emotional conditioning guilt tripping them, they have to find explanations for it. “Like Democrats are the real fascists/racists and so on.” or “Somebody planted those Nazi types to smear true conservatism.”

The left (as the contemporary right) has no negative conditioning towards communism. It’s no biggie.
But they have other stability concerns, like their dependence on the coalition of third world populations and the shitlibs and their sensibilities.
To keep this mess going they have to come up with all kinds of absurd explanations.
Like their third world populations and their black constituency are what they are because they have been held back and are still being held back by those Republican White Males. Violence? - If there is any then it’s because of racist White people, I swear.
You have to explain this shit to yourself somehow and the idea of racism explains all the shortcomings away as injustice and it’s even perpetrated by the evil racists from the opposition. Two birds with one stone.
What is the evil for them? Unreformed White people. White people who don’t cheer for their displacement, White people who don’t accept that they are evil.

Why did the White people (mostly conservatives today in the USA) wake up and deal with their emotional conditioning? Because life is getting tougher for them and that pain is becoming stronger than their emotional safety zone, which is partly conditioned because of the emotional needs of a different tribe.

Is_Yde_opN,

^^^ True, the left does have its own conspiracy theories, patriarchy, white males, Koch Brothers, and ect. That’s an excellent way of looking at things.