Anyone have Zoot Allures Name, Prison Number, Prison?

iambiguous · January 21, 2017, 10:16pm

I’m impressed only to the extent that the objectivist [Nazi, Marxist, Christian, Hindu, liberal, conservative, meat eater, vegetarian], is able to demonstrate that the manner in which he embraces particular moral and political values “in his head”, is the manner in which all rational and virtuous men and women are in turn obligated to embrace them too.

That ubiquitous [and rather contemptuous] “one of us” vs. “one of them” frame of mind.

Okay, note some actual examples of folks you have known who did have brains – folks you could respect – but who did not accept your own point of view.

Objectivists almost always refuse to go there. Why? Because if they admit that the values of others can be derived no less intelligently then they derive their own then they are admiting that they might be wrong. Or that others can embrace conflicting goods for rational reasons. This entails considering the possibility that “you’re right from your side and I’m right from mine” is a legitimate moral concoction.

But if that’s the case what of the conviction that folks are either “one of us” or “one of them”? And, in my view, it is this psychological certainty that propels the objectivists along. “I” must be grounded in one or another teleological font.

Thus Trump got elected because he ought to have gotten elected not because he got the most Electoral College votes.

But then this scholastic shit:

Note to others: What “on earth” is this supposed to mean? For all practical purposes in other words.

This is precisely why I invited him to join Zoot and I and others in tackling these issues here: viewtopic.php?f=25&t=189516

But not you, right? You are another Hegelian idealist and all of the ideas that have percolated throughout the entirety of human history have finally come to settle down once and for all in the ultimate [the optimal] synthesis — the one inside your head.

Turd Ferguson:

You… your a one trick pony. I see you try to vary your response sometimes now post-banning, but your not expanding your philosophy into a direction useful to anyone. Nobody will adopt your ideas after you die as they currently are. If you started posting threads how your idea reacts in response to Plato, Aristotle, Hume, Kant… I would feel perhaps it is better to keep you around as you would remain relevant. As you stand now, I haven’t seen evidence of you expanding your ideas. I think I learned all I can from you, and I’m dissapointed at the very low pickings offered. I would rather be inspired. You seem absolutely opposed to making your ideas useful or relevant to anyone. Hence why your constantly rejected. You really gotta force a intellectual expansion. Try a commentary on a classical work in philosophy, picking it apart with your ideas, a critique. Something that would surprise us. None of this “go waste your time in my retarded thread” shit. You know I never ever will post there, you come off as dead and retarded, I will sooner sit to a discyssion by The Rainman on why rain is scary, but the shower is okay. If that fucker popped up every day demanding I gear him out, I would just completely ignore him. I might say why just once, and only once, knowing the futility. He be like “I only want to discuss why rain is scary under my terms”.

Note to others:

Again, all I can do to effectively respond to this intellectual drivel is to ask him to choose a particular value judgment of his own and bring it down to earth. For example, how is all of this related to his defense of Donald Trump? We can start there.

Let me ask you this then…

Pertaining to the manner in which I construe the meaning of dasein, conflicting goods and political economy [relevant to conflicted human social, political and economic interactions], how would a reading of Theophrastus – en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theophrastus – lend insights with regard to these moral and political conflagrations.

Note to others:

Why do you suppose I invarably reduce objectivists of Turd’s ilk down to this rather pathetic huffing and puffing?

I have my own suspicions of course but I’d welcome the insights of others.

As we patiently await Zoot’s return to weigh in himself.

A_Shieldmaiden · January 21, 2017, 10:53pm

TF wrote:

Just to refresh your selective or ailing memory. English convicts were transported to America until 1793 when they refused to accept any more, so then transportation to NSW became the solution.

Many convicts were transported for petty crimes, while a significant number were political prisoners.

The serious crimes, such as rape and murder, were punished by death, and therefore not transportable offences.

You Turd have turned into a feminised motor mouthed wuus, all that walking/wanking has chaffed your balls into extinction.

The_Golden_Turd · January 22, 2017, 12:29am

No, I don’t shave them so they are smooth and wooley like a turtleneck sweater.

Magnus_Anderson · June 22, 2017, 3:09am

So what hapepned to this guy?

ElfyandCool · October 2, 2017, 1:25am

This is Natalie/SilentSoliloquy.

He gets off probation in a week. I think he can start posting on here by then.

Chakra_Superstar · October 3, 2017, 10:54pm

(I used this gif last time he got out of prison and made a come back. I’ll save it this time for future returns.
Never let a good gif go to waste. Thanks for the heads up, Natalie. )

ElfyandCool · October 7, 2017, 10:52pm

Please delete my last message. The one 2 messages above this 1.

Sauwelios · October 20, 2017, 9:19pm

I’m pretty sure he can’t post here anymore, since minors can post here and he can’t post where minors can legally post.

So, how can I get in touch with him online? I don’t think he uses his old email address anymore.

Chakra_Superstar · October 20, 2017, 11:21pm

That may not be such a bad thing. I was always worried about my inner child when he was around.

MagsJ · October 21, 2017, 4:11pm

I wasn’t worried about mine, but then again… I am becoming ancient.

phoneutria · October 25, 2017, 3:13pm

Zoots release date is 01/24/2018 according to the Virginia Department of Corrections website.

Sauwelios · October 26, 2017, 4:19am

Thanks!

phoneutria · January 23, 2018, 2:47pm

Tomorrow.

iambiguous · January 23, 2018, 4:50pm

Then what?

Fixed_Cross · January 23, 2018, 8:40pm

Ok thats good news.
Pezer and I were going to pick him up and all that we thought but things went the other way. An other way.
Anyway I hope he shows up online. And he should write a book now, for real.

Like
Being In Prison Under Trump
Regardless of what it is about so it sells.
Free advice
invite me for champagne on the jet later

Fixed_Cross · January 23, 2018, 8:47pm

Sneak philosophy into the public discourse.

Anyway someone a few years back said that Zoots prison writings were book-worthy, and then Zoot figured it for a joke.
I don’t know why.

I don’t think I know of a single novel or book that is truly about prison. And yet imprisonment is a pretty default condition.

Mitra-Sauwelios · January 26, 2018, 10:57pm

Zoot Allures:

back in october of 2015 i was told by a police officer it was illegal to sleep in a vehicle in the city (which i was doing at the time). i then contacted the sex offender compliance officer and told him this information. he agreed to let me park elsewhere, and that if an officer came by the walmart parking lot to verify my address, and i wasn’t there, he’d simply call me, and i’d tell him where i was. however, the trooper that does this was not told by the compliance officer that i was given permission to do this. fast forward a couple weeks; i get a strange call from the officer asking me to come down to the station and fix an address registration issue. i didn’t buy it. thought he was trying to lure me down there to arrest me. thought the trooper had looked for me at the walmart and issued an arrest warrant when i wasn’t found. so i didn’t go in. said fuck it, i’m goin’ on the lam. that’s when i feel most alive, anyway.

now, because i was on the run, i wouldn’t work a real job; don’t want to risk a employer finding the warrant and turning me in. sheriff rolls up on the job one day and corners me. we don’t want that. so, i needed a lucrative way to make money illegally, and, not wanting to resort to violent means, i began boosting… or hittin’ licks. for those unfamiliar with the criminal idiom, this means stealing shit outta vehicles.

by the end of the month i had fences set up in three different cities; shady pawn shop owners, flea market vendors, drug dealers, phone refurbishers. they bought the shit i stole. electronics, clothing, jewelry, whatever you find in vehicles. i had it down to a science. i’d go to a city, reconnoiter the area with google maps; find apartment complexes next to neighborhoods. i’d park in a guest spot that night and sleep until 2:30. i’d then suit up and hit the neighborhood while all the respectable but benign, hard working middle-upper class white people were dreaming of sugar plums. i’d do up to fifty cars a night. work one side of the street and then the other. every vehicle was unlocked. by 4:45 i was done. people start to wake up around that time. i’d make my way back to the van and inventory my merchandise. take pictures of each item and bookmark a link to the item on ebay to get the average going price. completely professional; all my customers loved my work. i’d send the pic and the link to them. i provide a quality product at an affordable price with the convenience of never having to leave your living room sofa to see it.

long story short, one night somebody nearly busted me. i just opened the car door as they were walking out of the house. they saw me, so i split. called the cops. i didn’t think anything of it because i was literally out there like a ninja; dressed in black with gps. i could disappear before you could quote an anarchist and say ‘property is theft’. so i keep working the neighborhood. little do i know a fucking canine unit comes out to the neighborhood with like nine other cops. eventually i see them crusing the streets, up and down, so i head back to the van and call it a night. i move the van to another spot to break the scent trail and throw the dog off… then, for whatever reason- maybe because i was jacked on adderall- i WENT BACK to the neighborhood to watch them try to find me. i got a kick outta this… watching the dog handler pass the shepherd over the fences i jumped and get confused by the backtracking i did to mix the dog up. anyway, i fucking walked right out in front of a patrol car i didn’t see and got cornered. they swarmed me, tackled me, cuffed me, and cussed me.

all in all they did alright. used a boxing method in which units drive parallel down two blocks to trap me between streets in somebody’s back yard. units would watch the street to catch me crossing… then the dog would find me where i was trapped behind the house. they boxed me in. nice work, boys. at the station we discussed this; i gave them some tips too. the one cop wasn’t watching his rearview as he crept along, and i darted across the street as soon as he passed. you gotta keep an eye on what is behind you as well. duh. still i made it clear that i had gotten away and that i was caught because i CAME BACK.

so now i’m charged with a failure to register, a false information, and some breaking and entering/larceny. no problem, except i would’nt of been doing all this if that ass ranger compliance officer woulda told the trooper to call me if he didn’t find me at the walmart.

… and the ‘false information’ was a bogus charge: i did not give them false information. i registered the actual address of the walmart… but they said i didn’t write ‘in the parking lot’. did i have to write this? where did they think i was sleeping, in the fucking sporting goods aisle of the walmart? of course i’m in the parking lot you stupid fucktard! in any case, i may have given INCOMPLETE information, but not FALSE information. i was convicted of it anyway. scared to fight it; if i took it to trial and lost, i’da gotten five years for it. accepted another plea bargain under duress. story of my life; pleading guilty to crimes i did not commit (as per statute).

that being said, when the criminal justice system betrays you, your social contract with the state is voided (see locke and hobbes). part of the civil contract is the obligation of government to behave itself. if it breaks the rules, you can break the rules. if you do not receive the rights, privileges, and luxuries of other citizens, you are no longer subject to society’s laws, ipso facto exacto.

if you don’t want your shit stolen, petition your government to tighten the fuck up.

besides, if you people would lock your fucking car doors, their would be far less vehicle break-ins. christ, you practically handed the shit to me.

Mitra-Sauwelios · January 27, 2018, 3:42am

Zoot Allures:

the inmates are like putty in my hands. once it becomes established that i am the most intelligent in any block i’m in (maybe this is only because the inmates are so stupid? see, i can be modest), i am not bothered with trivial banter anymore. it doesn’t take long before i am recognized as the authority in any conversation about something other than hip-hop ‘artists’ and football. this is a great responsibility as well as a privilege, but something else too; i realize that i can make them believe what i want them to believe, so i become maieutic in my approach. i ask myself what kind of person each inmate is, and then i decide what i want them to believe according to how i think they might become better. if i find one who demonstrates rebelious attitudes toward government, i enhance them, make them better anarchists. i turn misogynists into lovers of women. i turn directionless white trash into focused and devoted white supremacists. the religious; i challenge muslims, five-percenters, moorish science templers and christians alike… not to take anything away from them as much as force them to learn how to defend their beliefs and convictions against expert arguments and objections. what do i care about what is ‘true’ or not? there is no ‘truth’, only quantums of strength, awareness and ambition. the rest is irrelevant.

now, depending on the inmate’s situation, i exercise some degree of mercy. for example, an inmate just receives a life sentence in court. it is not my intention to strip him of his last remaining ‘hope’ in life, his hope and faith in christianity, let’s say. rather, i provide for him an alternative theory which is better than what he believes, e.g., multiverse many-worlds theory in which he is already immortal and simultaneously existing in an infinite number of lives in which each course of events is different, and so on. i can make him believe it, and when he lays awake the entire night thinking, i know my work is done.

again, what do i care if this is true or not? what i care about is shaking him up, making him uncomfortable, empowering him, transforming him and filling him with a new kind of strength. i make diamonds out of dirt. i make monsters better monsters.

it would be an unjustified cruelty to convince him that christianity is nonsense without providing for him something greater to believe in… and yet this person means absolutely nothing to me. this degenerate reprobate could hang himself that night and i wouldn’t lose any sleep. if he isn’t going to hang himself, i might as well see what i can make of him.

i suppose this is all experimental to me. i no longer concern myself with improving the world; those improvers of mankind have gone underground and have everything under control. even being the case that the herd generally consists of the menial working classes, the lumpen proletariat class, and the parasite class of criminals, these numbers mean nothing. the base of a society will always consist of these types, and they serve no other purpose than to support the foundation upon which an elite class might grow.

what is the point of all this? good question. it must be this: i no longer believe in the possibility of a sociological reconstructing of man, but rather the hyper-decline of the average type. i wish to ‘kick what is already falling’, to encourage the collapse of order and government… not for the sake of forcing man into extinction, but for the sake of forcing greater, more competent authority to evolve through necessity so that man does not perish. there is more than one way to make an age golden again.

btw, my type and experience is unique. i am the synthesis of the criminal and the ruler, and as such i am the authority on both. one understands neither without understanding both, without being both.

i’ve always known at heart i was an anarcho-fascist. indeed, the very concept belonged to me first, as i was the first to conceive of it. a paradox that upon further introspection becomes, perhaps, the most rational political orientation and ideology yet to exist.

one cannot ‘learn’ this or discover this. one has to become it… or rather, it becomes you as it became me.

… and now we run:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oqtfbSw6uU[/youtube] Steve Vai, “Now We Run”.

Mitra-Sauwelios · January 27, 2018, 6:24am

Zoot Allures:

i have debunked the tower of babel bit in the bible. here’s what happened. being unaware that humans evolved and moved to different regions over thousands of years, the folks who wrote/recorded/reported the babel incident text that would later become part of the bible knew of no other way to understand why there were different peoples speaking different languages throughout the middle eastern region at the time. so, being anthropologically and geographically illiterate, one of them came up with the cockamamie theory that god musta split everyone up at some definite point in history. then they thought “but why would he do that?”, and then, naturally, the conclusion: “ah, folks musta pissed god off somehow, that’s why.”

just thought you should know.

the detail about the building of the tower, specifically, i’m not sure about. they coulda come up with any number of narratives to explain how folks pissed god off and why he split everybody up.

oh, and did you know that in a catholic bible i was messing with, a group of fifty some theologian scholars got together and unanimously agreed that the flood incident mentioned in the old testament was literally adopted from the epic of gilgamesh? like i always heard this, but i was surprised to find the scholars admitting it. seriously?

priest: “btw, that flood incident… totally ripped off from sumerian mythology, but that doesn’t make the bible any less plausible”

suppose there was such a flood for argument sake. shouldn’t we believe the storyline details about it in the epic of gilgamesh instead of the bible? what if it was the way the sumerians described it and nothing like the bible describes it? like you can’t just adopt something from another story and then change it all around to suit you.

when i was in court accepting the plea arrangement, i was asked to swear to tell the truth and put my hand on the bible. i told the judge i’d be lying if i put my hand on the bible and promised not to lie because i was afraid of lying after putting my hand on the bible. there was a sustained moment of awkward silence throughout the courtroom. did that dude just say that? yeah, he said it alright. what now? do the alternative thing where you just ask him if he swears to tell the truth. kay.

how can the very integrity and foundation of the practice of positive law in this country depend solely on the supposition that if there were something that could guarantee a person would tell the truth, it would be a religious document written by a bunch of illiterate bronze-age desert tribesmen a few thousand years ago who tell us we shall burn in a lake of fire and brimstone after we die (probably another rip-off; the greek’s hades, i’m sure) if we lie?

how can one possibly take the criminal justice system seriously?

you just think about that for a second.

Mitra-Sauwelios · January 27, 2018, 10:34pm

Zoot Allures:

critics of the materialistic theory claim that instead of being aware of physical occurences in the brain, we are aware of sensations, feelings and thoughts. they seem to be saying that because we have no direct observation of this reducibility of mental states to physical states, it therefore doesn’t exist. this is a fallacious criticism. a second person point of view could observe the physical states in someones brain and correlate them to the mental states being experienced, i.e., joe feels happy while brain is in state x. the problem here is not a correspondence problem, but a causal problem; is brain state x actually the cause of joe feeling happy. unfortunately this cannot be known for the reasons hume put forth. the contiguity of events does not prove a causal connection between them.

there is a much better criticism than this: if the materialistic theory were true, the theory itself would be nothing but another set of physical events in the brain… and, any alternative theory would be merely be some other mental event. if that’s the case, how can one event in the brain constitute the truth, while another would constitute a falsehood?

an ‘event’ is neither true nor false. it either is or isn’t. it can be true that an event happened, or false that it happened, but if it happened, it would have to be true. therein lies the problem. theories of the mind are events, and therefore always true. but two different theories can’t both be right (true).

discuss.

Zoot Allures:

only two people wrote me the entire time i was in the joint. turd and phoneutria. turd wrote once but didn’t put a return address on the envelope, so they wouldn’t let me have it. after i was released on wednesday i finally read it… while sitting in front of a harris teeter waiting for a taxi to take me to the bus station. it was a profound and edifying experience. he had copied some stuff from a wikipedia article on some skeptics. sextus empiricus and another dude… agrippa or something like that. might discuss some of it with him later if i hear from him again.

phoneutria, on the other hand, maintained contact with me my whole bid, and, bless her soul, bought me some goodies to eat every month. she even bought me books and clothes. don’t know what i woulda done without her. probably woulda started extorting the inmates for their commissary, i dunno.

now check this out. what i am about to relate to you should blow your mind.

i call it the blue footed booby event… a coincidence unprecedented and unlike anything i’ve ever experienced before.

once in a while phoneutria would include in her letters a little doodle of something (she’s a great artist), and i would tear out pictures from national geographics and put quote bubbles above the characters, and send the picture with my letters to her. well this one time she drew a picture of two blue footed boobies standing beside each other and one says comically to the other ‘what are they looking at?’ or something like that. can’t remember exactly what it was.

now check this out. the day before i got that letter (maybe it was two days, can’t remember), i shit you not, i tore a picture of two blue footed boobies out of a national geographic, which i was going to send to her… with one booby saying to the other ‘why don’t you take a picture?’ i swear to god i’m not lying. they were exactly the same size and in the same position, standing beside each other, as in her doodle.

now how do you explain that? talk about non-local causality and spooky action at a distance! what are the chances of that happening?

i don’t think she believed me… and you probably don’t believe me either. i think i telepathically transmitted the image of the boobies i had in my mind, to her.