If it is good for everybody, it no longer qualifies as evil.
Is it evil to steal to respect your parents?
Is it evil to kill those who force people to not keep the sabbath day holy?
Is it evil to lie about not worshipping false idols?
These are pressing questions that need answers, right now!
In canada we dont worship books.
It would to the losers of the competitions, but if they recognize the necessity, I agree that they should see more good in evolution than the evil that comes to losers.
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DL
I am surprised you would need someone else to answer those simple questions for you.
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DL
Hmm. We do have our right wing loonies just as they do in most countries.
I wonder if whoever designed the loony was thinking of those for the human loonies.
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DL
Commandment 5 (sometimes 4): Honour your father and mother, u sinner!
In case you want to challenge the difference between honour and respect, just switch the terms in my original question.
Do you violate this commandment or 8/7: thou shalt not steal?
Commandment 4 (sometimes 3): Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy.
How are you supposed to do this if people are preventing you?
Of course, they could still be remembering the Sabbath day even if they’re forced not to keep it holy, but what if their brain was interfered with to disrupt this capacity to remember?
Do you violate this commandment or 6/5: thou shalt not kill?
Yes, and commandment 2 (sometimes 1) says thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image.
In case you want to dispute making graven images and worshiping false idols then as before, just switch the terms in the original question.
Do you violate this commandment or 9/8: thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour?
You seem to have missed the point behind my trolly post, which I put together with little thought in a matter of seconds that was simply to ask “is it evil to violate one commandment for another?”
You say there’s no compulsion in religions? How do you reconcile this with ten commandments? Commandments that are not compulsory? You’re ordered to uphold all these things but really it’s just a guide?
You might say that some commandments are more important than others, that killing is more evil than making a graven image, but if so surely the less evil one is still evil to break? The lesser of two evils is still evil.
I skimmed you saying something about evil being inherent in religion, and I was glibly making the same point as inherent in even its most fundamental and widely known set of rules: the ten commandments.
None of you ignorant ones has read even the first chapter of the Bible.
The problems began with the discernment of good and evil. The tree of knowledge from which Eve was tempted to eat the fruits.
What “we” since see as “evil” is tribulation.
“Beyond Good and Evil”;
the restoration of the garden.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqLdDKy2XUQ[/youtube]
What happens, when an “evil” deed is done upon you?
You become more aware of your soul.
“Wy was this done to me?” You are forced to ask.
If you do not ask this, it will happen again, and again, and again -
if you simply judge and dismiss as “evil” the person that did the deed, such deeds will come upon you again and again, like Israelis upon Palestinians until they heed the “evil” in their own hears, which means their violence, their will to live, their will to dance in the holy spectacle - like the Jews learned from the what was inflicted upon them by nazis and now are dancing every Sabbath-eve these days.
Heed, ye lame ones
Heed your life-force, cultivate the fire that shines from your eyes, and so you will ward off evil-doers.
I will ignore your semantics just as you ignore answering my question.
I do not steal anymore. 
I do not follow the filthy commandments, but Jesus himself answers the question you put when he said that the Sabbath was created for man and not man for the Sabbath. IOW, we can ignore it should we choose to.
Seriously? Ok.
That would be as mean, cruel and abusive as what this link shows.
youtube.com/watch?v=LACyLTsH4ac
I do not kill anymore.
I speak of lies and you speak of idols??
I do not lie anymore.
First. They are lousy commandments and not worth following as written.
Second. All moral issues are subjective and to follow a command that goes against ones moral sense is the thing to do.
As you can see below, that is not what I said.
I said. — Have you not heard that there is no compulsion in religions? Or so religions tell us even as they use Inquisitions and Jihads.
First. The first pat is a question and not a statement.
Second, do you not spot the cynicism dripping off of the second sentence?
As you can read above, I do not have to reconcile anything. I just needed to adjust how you read.
Not to Christian dogma that says break any commandment and you end in hell. Be it a small lie, lusting even just mentally after a woman or murder; all get you thrown into hell.
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I do not recall implying that evil was inherent in religion but would agree that that is the case for most of our mainstream religions. They are idol worshipers and I see that as evil.
I do not see anything evil in Gnostic Christianity. If I did, I am free to rid my ideology of it or just seek a new ideology or religion.
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DL
I have read all of the bible.
So you have taken it upon yourself to rename the tree of knowledge of good and evil to the tree of knowledge of good and tribulation.
What you see as tribulation/evil, your Exusltet hymn calls Adam’s sin a happy fault and necessary to God’s plan.
That follows the older Jewish interpretation that is superior to0 yours and that is possibly why Gnostic Christians also see Eden as our place of elevation and not the fall that Christianity stupidly put to us becoming as Gods in the knowing of good and evil.
Now if you can tell us you think Christianity reversed the moral of that myth to a fall while calling Adam’s sin a happy fault and necessary to God’s plan, then you will have something worth hearing.
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DL
But not with attention, perhaps.
I did no such thing, you are thus a liar.
My what?
You know nothing, and you know it not.
Many regards.
Jakob
Thanks for the chat.
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DL
The commandment is to honor your parents and stealing does not bring them honor.
Matthew 12:11 And he said unto them, What man shall there be among you, that shall have one sheep, and if it fall into a pit on the sabbath day, will he not lay hold on it, and lift it out?
Romans 13
13 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
Observe the sabbath as best you can, but resist no man:
Matthew 5
39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.
40 And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloak also.
41 And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain.
42 Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.
43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
To lie and claim you’re worshipping an idol when you are not? Why would you do that? But yes, lie is sin.
To lie and claim you’re not worshipping and idol when you in fact are? Well it was already evil in worshipping the idol and further evil to lie about it.
Depends, if:
A) They/everyone doesn’t know you stole
B) Your stealing brings more honour than it loses
C) They’re a family of thieves or they otherwise respect your craft
What if you dishonourably steal to save their lives? You can’t honour parents more than saving their lives.
So Matt is cool with breaking a commandment, good to know.
Why you would do it doesn’t matter, it’s possible to do it, so is it evil or not if you do?
Again, my examples are rhetorical, is it evil or not to break a commandment to uphold another? Apparently you don’t have to follow the Sabbath one - any other ones that you don’t have to bother with?
Well, I guess God would know and it would dishonor them in the eyes of God since they produced a son/daughter who steals.
Eh, it’s tough to see how.
That’s a good one 
Well, they’re already sinning so they’re not honorable anyway. Idk, pirates had an admirable life in a sorta way, but from the biblical point of view, nope.
Remember that Jesus had to become a martyr. Dying is not dishonorable and the Japanese commit suicide to regain lost honor. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seppuku
No, Jesus said that. The Pharisees were trying to set him up. Here’s the context:
12 At that time Jesus went on the sabbath day through the corn; and his disciples were an hungred, and began to pluck the ears of corn and to eat.
2 But when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto him, Behold, thy disciples do that which is not lawful to do upon the sabbath day.
3 But he said unto them, Have ye not read what David did, when he was an hungred, and they that were with him;
4 How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the shewbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them which were with him, but only for the priests?
5 Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?
6 But I say unto you, That in this place is one greater than the temple.
7 But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.
8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.
9 And when he was departed thence, he went into their synagogue:
10 And, behold, there was a man which had his hand withered. And they asked him, saying, Is it lawful to heal on the sabbath days? that they might accuse him.
11 And he said unto them, What man shall there be among you, that shall have one sheep, and if it fall into a pit on the sabbath day, will he not lay hold on it, and lift it out?
12 How much then is a man better than a sheep? Wherefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days.
13 Then saith he to the man, Stretch forth thine hand. And he stretched it forth; and it was restored whole, like as the other.
14 Then the Pharisees went out, and held a council against him, how they might destroy him.
I said yes.
It says to remember to keep the sabbath day holy. What does “holy” mean?
I am the Lord thy God, thou shall not have any gods before me.
You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything.
You shall not misuse the name of the Lord your God.
Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy.
Honor your father and your mother.
You shall not murder.
You shall not commit adultery.
You shall not steal.
You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor.
You shall not covet your neighbor’s house, wife, or property.
Try to come up with some other dichotomies and I’ll see if I can shoot them down 
How do we determine what is stealing? Can one steal within the law in a society? I would say yes, one can. Capitalist US certainly allows this in many forms. (which does not mean I am a communist in case anyone thinks completely in binary terms and since I believe one can make a great case that the state steals in Communist nations). So we have the laws of the state, the ways property is defined, how one ‘gets the right to acquire’ property. Maybe those rules are immoral. Perhaps stealing is fair. Perhaps legal acquisition is stealing.
Profit is legitimised theft - literally the act of employers skimming off the top the revenues that employees make for them that they haven’t been contracted (legitimised) to claim in wages: the employee(s) earned it, but its not all theirs because it’s backed by force that they in fact only earn less.
And what greater way to bring honour than to “make” money and become rich/successful/powerful/influential in this way?
Biblically, your conscience would be the guide. If you feel taking something is wrong, then it is wrong regardless of a law. The Amish take it to another level. I remember when Scottrade opened a banking division and offered a checking account with interest and one without, so I had to call to inquire why one paid and the other didn’t; what are the strings attached? The guy laughed and said “no strings, it’s for the Amish”. The Amish do not want anything they did not earn and they feel that includes interest. So by their definition, stealing is taking something that you did not work for.
I believe employing people is theft unless it’s a profit sharing situation or if they are for some reason overpaid. I used to be an employer and, looking back, that’s how I feel about it.
Yup, but is it honorable to God or to Man? Jesus said it’s easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter into heaven.