Colin Kaepernick

Reasonable

Not denying that it is speculation, but better to speculate from the facts. Kap was convinced that he had the right to protest while in uniform, hence the court case. Because of his court case we can assume and speculate that he thought that his talent would still ensure that he would be a part of this league, rather than convinced his actions would cost him everything. That’s how I see it.

You’re right, but teams did pay taxes before that and to the teams went the bulk of the profits so my argument stands. They are not public, but they do have investors and for them, these teams are for profit investments.

NFL teams don’t have to say why they don’t hire player so and so. With thousands of players available each year that go unsigned (Kurt Wagner was working a nine to five job) teams can afford to pass on anyone for a lot of “reasons” that are quite frankly petty. “He will be a distraction”. What?! They are supposed to be professionals or easily distracted youths?. The more likely reason is that such and such player is not worth a risk, whatever the team perceives as a risk, and, because supply exceeds demands, they can afford to do so. If you make money from selling over-priced seats, will you hire someone that may cause potential buyers to stay at home and watch the game on tv? Brady being the exception.

That’s all fine and dandy. No one is arguing that there are no reasons TO protest, but that you can protest without dragging an entire organization into that protest. Is he Kap the next MLKJr? Sadly, the answer is no. I agree with all of what you have said and it troubles me, but I believe that this is a democracy, that a democracy is the best way to address such issues, that I served in the military because I believe in protecting our freedom, like the right to vote which too many take for granted, including a certain Kaepernick. The for-me case at the courts further cements my view that his outrage was genuine at a personal level but that his vision is lacking.
Suppose that he wins the case. He gets money. How does that improve the situation of thousands of the black community in jail? Suppose that arbitration compels the NFL as a whole to protect the right of people to stand, sit, or knee during the anthem: how is that going to help reduce police brutality? It may have many effects including turning the league into a platform for SJW albeit in front of a largely empty stadium, thus taking away from the very impact the silent protest meant to achieve. Of course this is only speculation. Who knows, maybe without voting, without political action in the traditional sense, maybe the ills facing minorities will be cured. “Oh we never knew until Kap took a knee and opened our eyes!”

He could’ve organized a march in his off time. Worked on a spike lee project. His public persona, which he owns, can be effective without being in uniform. He was free to do any of that but thought that the ONLY way, the ONLY recourse he had, was to be subversive while in uniform for a brand he does not own, has no care in protecting. We will see soon enough if this Nike ad campaign experiment will yield positive results for a for profit company. Already Missouri has dropped Nike, but while some reports suggests a negative impact to their business, other news outlets report a surge in their sales. We will see if given the platform Nike has given him, conditions on the issues that supposedly animated Kap are affected by the fiat of advertisement alone. Again, in my opinion, only voting, becoming a voting block, a political force, can affect society in the dramatic way required to change the conditions for minorities and this cat just doesn’t get it.

Kap made it a point to tie his protest to the national anthem. Tebow took a knee before games, during, after, but he did not make it a point do it during the anthem. Tebow was good for business. As I said before, if Kap’s kneeling was profitable then we would not be having this conversation. If Nike doubles its profit after the Kap Campaign, I wouldn’t put it past the realm of reality that Kap gets a contract simply because teams want to put assess on the stands and if they made the relation Kap=$ that might happen.

But will any of that reduce police brutality for example?

Kaepernicks new gig at Nike is another job on Trumps conto. The economy is sizzling.
Passions are really good for industry, I hope people will stay angry.

What about black privilege? What about the privilege of getting to ruin the NFL and being called a hero? Face it if he was white and pulled some stunt he’d be shot dead.

Black privilege deserves its own thread, so does illegal alien privilege.

A white guy would be shot dead for this?

The NFL is ruined?

You alright man?

That’s a self-serving hypothesis.
Getting shot by police in the backs no privilege. Being targeted by police department profiling is no privilege. Don’t mistake my aim. I am not saying that there is no reason for Kap to protest but that he should have protested in his time while wearing only his face instead of dragging the name of an organization to places it did not want to travel because their profitability depends on their wide appeal.

Yeah well thats what Im sayin innit? The dude is so privileged he gets to ruin the game and business for millions of Americans and he gets to do it because he is black. He can do no wrong, anything a back person says is per definition beyond reproach. Except of course if he speaks kindly about a white man then he is the devil himself.

Kaepernick ruined the US national anthem at sporting events, a time honored tradition as well.

No. He’s ruining the business of the organization that employed him, using the jersey that belongs to an owner and not to himself. This isn’t about America as a whole because while his protests may have ruined the Sunday NFL experience for some, for many in the african-american community, he represents something good about an NFL player that has not forgotten where he came from and kept it real rather than merely keeping it commercial enough to sell a product. Gotta keep both sides in front of you.

American history is a long history of suffering for the black community. Coming from that background makes the voice of african-americans stand out. It is not that what they say is beyond reproach. In fact, when Kanye commented that the success of slavery must have been possible, partially, because it was the slave’s choice, his comments where ridiculed from all sides. When Omarosa began her publicity campaign for her book, saying horrible things about a particular white man (or is it orange?) she was/is dismissed with a “Bye Felicia”.

That sounds more like your opinion Darling. Protesting (and not just because of unhinged police brutality against blacks) during the play of the national anthem was not invented by Kap. Tommie Smith and John Carlos raised their fist during the anthem during the 1968 Olympic games medal ceremony.
I don’t care about the consequences to the anthem. Those that respect the flag will not change their mind because someone took a knee or raised their fist. Those that do not respect the anthem will simply remain unmoved.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._nati … m_protests

It’s not an opinion when the anthem is no longer being played at sporting events (many non-pro leagues have quit playing the anthem), that’s a fact that may be implemented at even more sporting events which is one of the only places that the national anthem is still played on a regular basis. So Kaepernick and his misguided cult of overpaid personality and bandwagoneers literally killed the playing of the national anthem at all sporting events around the US.

That’s what money does to bad people they use it to destroy everyone that was good to them.

Is that worse than police beating the shit out of and or killing people with a trial?

The police beat the shit out of or worse everyone who resists arrest and/or fails to comply…so? Behave, do what the police order, and you won’t get beat…simple.

Don’t you think that people should have some basic rights and that police should be accountable for violating them?

Okay you convinced me. To give to dude a chance and he took it.

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I guess he has a good point because he makes it like a sane person. He should probably go into politics. There aren’t a lot of democrats that leave my stomach be.

He can run for governor and swing Wisconsin.
Im completely in awe of Trumps ultranobility, but America still needs the two sided coin to keep spinning free in the air.

You do not want your government unified. From a European to Americans, trust me on this.

What basic rights are the police not allowing?

Come on are you seriously going to deny that police gets away with shooting innocents a bit too much and justice gets way with putting people for life because they were smoking in te wrong zipcode?

If we as Trump beasts can’t admit to that theres some injustice left in America even from the more conservative side, then we are not being conservative enough of the pursuit of happiness. You can’t expect people to go on that pursuit when some serious humiliations take place with only a mocking grin by the authorities. It was far worse under Obama of course then it happened every month that a white cop shot a black person. But like ICE and the separated families people only notice because they need stones to throw at mr Trump and he is a real leader so he will step up and solve it. Obama never showed up once in a ghetto. Michelle Obama asks thousands of dollars to people for attending her book presentation. Trump forfeits his presidential salary. He is the man to make peace with the people on the block.