Yes, who could never procreate, which is a spiritual confirmation that they know how to love fully. That is a part of our biological nature.
IOW, their could not get to a full blown love without eating of the knowledge of what true love is to a biological unit that must reproduce to sustain itself.
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DL
I do not really care and just like the way it all worked out.
You alluded to information only.
livescience.com/60888-rat-c … stors.html
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DL
phyllo
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September 18, 2018, 6:27pm
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Yes, who could never procreate, which is a spiritual confirmation that they know how to love fully. That is a part of our biological nature.
IOW, their could not get to a full blown love without eating of the knowledge of what true love is to a biological unit that must reproduce to sustain itself.
God gave them all the working biological bits so I don’t see any reason why they would not eventually conceive a child if they had stayed in the garden.
Let’s see. God told them to reproduce way back min Gen 1 and just at the end of Gen 3 they know they had bits to cover up.
You think they would wait that long? Why?
That is man’s strongest impulse after survival.
Procreation has both good and evil components and E & E could not know anything of procreation till after consuming the knowledge. Obviously.
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DL
phyllo
(phyllo)
September 18, 2018, 7:19pm
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How long was it?
What good and evil components?
What’s obvious?
??
What I put.
Some components that come to mind are rape as compared to a love generated encounter.
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DL
phyllo
(phyllo)
September 19, 2018, 12:28am
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You put Genesis chapter 1 and Genesis chapter 3. Chapters are not units of time.
Rape?
There was nothing written about that in Genesis. And if Adam was raping Eve then God would have straightened it out. Right?
So they really did not need knowledge of good and evil for procreation.
Ierrellus
(Ierrellus)
September 19, 2018, 12:17pm
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IMHO, the thread still lacks a credible definition of hate as applied to Adam’s and Eve’s awakening into consequences of behavior.
phyllo:
You put Genesis chapter 1 and Genesis chapter 3. Chapters are not units of time.
Rape?
There was nothing written about that in Genesis. And if Adam was raping Eve then God would have straightened it out. Right?
So they really did not need knowledge of good and evil for procreation.
That is not what the story says. It says they could not because they lacked the knowledge of anything that had good or evil applications. That would include procreation and sexual matters.
You are putting the cart before the horse.
One cannot know what to order when there is no menu known.
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DL
If I have to define well defined words from a dictionary then you show you cannot use a dictionary.
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DL
phyllo
(phyllo)
September 19, 2018, 5:17pm
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That can’t be correct because it would prevent them from doing literally anything. They couldn’t pick up a stick because it might be used to hit someone or poke out an eye. They couldn’t use their hands because hands can be used to strangle someone. Feet … kicking someone. Etc.
If Adam can use his hands without doing harm then he can use his penis without doing harm.
phyllo:
That can’t be correct because it would prevent them from doing literally anything. They couldn’t pick up a stick because it might be used to hit someone or poke out an eye. They couldn’t use their hands because hands can be used to strangle someone. Feet … kicking someone. Etc.
If Adam can use his hands without doing harm then he can use his penis without doing harm.
Well said, and further they even seemed to find mere nakedness sinful, which is not evil.
phyllo
(phyllo)
September 19, 2018, 7:21pm
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Yes. Why would they be ashamed of their nakedness?
God had made them naked. He had no problem with it. They had no problem with it until they ate the fruit.
It’s like the fruit messed up their thinking.
phyllo:
Yes. Why would they be ashamed of their nakedness?
God had made them naked. He had no problem with it. They had no problem with it until they ate the fruit.
It’s like the fruit messed up their thinking.
Which would mean either apple did not contain just knowledge, but also some strange irrational stuff, OR being naked is equivalent in kind, though not degree, to acts like rape. Which would be weird.
The story almost seems to imply that it is not knowledge, but the judgment of things being good and evil is the problem. Like they swallowed a concept that is harmful and not the truth. But then much of the Bible seems to clearly indicate that there is good and evil, and thus it is not a false set of categories.
The phrase in Hebrew: טוֹב וָרָע, tov wa-raʿ, literally translates as good and evil. This may be an example of the type of figure of speech known as merism, a literary device that pairs opposite terms together in order to create a general meaning, so that the phrase “good and evil” would simply imply “everything”. This is seen in the Egyptian expression evil-good, which is normally employed to mean “everything”. In Greek literature, Homer also uses the device when he lets Telemachus say, “I know all things, the good and the evil” (Od.20:309-10).[1]
If tree of the knowledge of good and evil is to be understood to mean a tree whose fruit imparts knowledge of everything, this phrase does not necessarily denote a moral concept. This view is held by several scholars.[1][2][3]
However, given the context of disobedience to God, other interpretations of the implications of this phrase also demand consideration. Robert Alter emphasizes the point that when God forbids the man to eat from that particular tree, he says that if he does so, he is “doomed to die”. The Hebrew behind this is in a form regularly used in the Hebrew Bible for issuing death sentences.[4]
phyllo
(phyllo)
September 19, 2018, 7:52pm
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I see it as the introduction of dualistic thinking. Consciously separating things into this and that categories.
It’s inevitable and necessary but there are undesirable consequences.
“doomed to die” is the characterization of death as a negative and the consequence is fear of death.
Buddhist enlightenment is an attempt to shed dualistic thinking and to return to the garden
phyllo:
That can’t be correct because it would prevent them from doing literally anything. They couldn’t pick up a stick because it might be used to hit someone or poke out an eye. They couldn’t use their hands because hands can be used to strangle someone. Feet … kicking someone. Etc.
If Adam can use his hands without doing harm then he can use his penis without doing harm.
You are correct.
If no artistic leeway was permitted the scribes who made up this myth, it would never have been completed.
The broad theme is what is important and what I am focusing on.
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DL
Would you go out in public naked and not want to hide your junk?
What makes you think A & E would not answer as you, I hope, did?
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DL
phyllo:
Yes. Why would they be ashamed of their nakedness?
God had made them naked. He had no problem with it. They had no problem with it until they ate the fruit.
It’s like the fruit messed up their thinking.
I am not ashamed of my nakedness but would sure feel ashamed to be caught outside by anyone.
But hey, if that is your thing.
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DL
phyllo
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September 19, 2018, 11:40pm
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I am not ashamed of my nakedness but would sure feel ashamed to be caught outside by anyone.
But hey, if that is your thing.
Well, we’re not talking about you or me in modern day Canada. We’re talking about Adam and Eve feeling ashamed of their nakedness when viewed by God who had sanctioned their nakedness. Which makes no sense.
phyllo
(phyllo)
September 19, 2018, 11:44pm
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You’re putting forth a particular interpretation of the story. Let’s not forget it.