Ecmandu wrote:It's not narcissistic to be able to prove something like that "nibbler"
I follow the laws of the 5 heartbreaks of relation,
The 5 stages of a sex dimorphic species
And avoid the three abuses
Also, hyperdimensional mirror realities are not solipsistic... they reflect off the eternal forms (others)
lordoflight wrote:Ecmandu wrote:It's not narcissistic to be able to prove something like that "nibbler"
I follow the laws of the 5 heartbreaks of relation,
The 5 stages of a sex dimorphic species
And avoid the three abuses
Also, hyperdimensional mirror realities are not solipsistic... they reflect off the eternal forms (others)
I tried not to be a nibbler but it seems like each time you post it becomes more and more ridiculous. A certain line has to be drawn when it is time to call a clown a clown.
You know I don't take you seriously so I suppose the question I ask is do you actually take yourself seriously?
You responded to someone saying they did not think you were a psychopath by saying that Sherlock Holmes is a psychopath and then below you describe the way you feel and it does not fit with being a psychopath. IOW a fictional character seems to somehow help you see yourself as a psychopath. If I were to categorize Sherlock Holmes I'd be more likely to say he had Aspberger's. Psychopaths do not feel they are evil because they lust. They could give a shit. They might tell their priest or family they feel guilty when caught masturbating, but that is because they view other people in instrumental terms.lordoflight wrote:I think autism is related to psychopathy and I think Sherlock Holmes is an actual psychopath. That is why Sherlock says to Moriarti: You are the only person I can relate to but I don't agree with your methods. Not an exact quote but more or less. His sister is a psychopath so it must run in the family. But its a fiction so we can't say it proves a genetic basis, we can only say that the fiction portrays him as a psychopath.
Ecmandu wrote:That's funny.
But in all seriousness, existence doesn't tolerate lose, lose, lose etc...
Scenarios. Not even the lottery accepts that.
I know what I'm entering (doing)
The Eternal Warrior wrote:Ecmandu wrote:That's funny.
But in all seriousness, existence doesn't tolerate lose, lose, lose etc...
Scenarios. Not even the lottery accepts that.
I know what I'm entering (doing)
From infinite loser to greatest I am is what I became... How can you win without first losing and having to take a long, slow crawl to figuring out the nature of the game and how to win?
Karpel Tunnel wrote:You responded to someone saying they did not think you were a psychopath by saying that Sherlock Holmes is a psychopath and then below you describe the way you feel and it does not fit with being a psychopath. IOW a fictional character seems to somehow help you see yourself as a psychopath. If I were to categorize Sherlock Holmes I'd be more likely to say he had Aspberger's. Psychopaths do not feel they are evil because they lust. They could give a shit. They might tell their priest or family they feel guilty when caught masturbating, but that is because they view other people in instrumental terms.lordoflight wrote:I think autism is related to psychopathy and I think Sherlock Holmes is an actual psychopath. That is why Sherlock says to Moriarti: You are the only person I can relate to but I don't agree with your methods. Not an exact quote but more or less. His sister is a psychopath so it must run in the family. But its a fiction so we can't say it proves a genetic basis, we can only say that the fiction portrays him as a psychopath.
Psychopaths do not have a hard time faking emotions.
Ecmandu wrote:lordoflight wrote:Ecmandu wrote:It's not narcissistic to be able to prove something like that "nibbler"
I follow the laws of the 5 heartbreaks of relation,
The 5 stages of a sex dimorphic species
And avoid the three abuses
Also, hyperdimensional mirror realities are not solipsistic... they reflect off the eternal forms (others)
I tried not to be a nibbler but it seems like each time you post it becomes more and more ridiculous. A certain line has to be drawn when it is time to call a clown a clown.
You know I don't take you seriously so I suppose the question I ask is do you actually take yourself seriously?
What escapes many people about the 5 stages of a sex dimorphic species, is that all of our technology is from male ornamental behavior and not female ornamental behavior... since we did stage 5 first, this planet is fucked up, and NOBODY can traverse it without moral error. Everyone should be livid about this, because we are all going to pay a price for moral error in a zero sum reality.
I wish I could wake everyone up to simply demanding a non zero sum reality, a 100% consensual reality.
This is the difference between someone who is hyper empathic and those who are not:
Hyper empathic people KNOW that winning and losing in a zero sum reality both add up to losing.
Others don't, but when they have to cleanse themselves (because we're in a zero sum reality still) the cleansing process is utterly heartbreaking and harsh.
It's of the utmost importance that we get out of a lose/lose reality.
That, I don't think you will find funny.
Yes, I am serious.
Ecmandu wrote:Brain is a muscle... you've got to work it.
My brain has hurt steadily for 25 years...
I'm a professional weightlifter!
I suppose if you were put in the military and repeatedly were forced to Geneva Convention type crimes, you might become a psychopath, or some other similar type of experience, but generally it is not something that you become.lordoflight wrote:That was in the past, before I was a psychopath.
To me I just don't think psychopaths are afraid of getting ostracized by feminists. And it is precisely the kind of thing that psychopaths are skilled at: avoiding letting people know how they feel or do not feel.Now I don't give a shit about it. I no longer feel any real shame over lust. Only fear that some feminist will shame me and give me a hard time about it. Not because I view it as morally wrong, but because I don't want to deal with getting ostracized by some stupid feminist.
It's the viewing others ONLY instrumentally that is the problem, at least, non-psychopaths tend to think so. When there is no empathy.There is nothing wrong with viewing people as instruments.
LOL, a psychopath would allow the other to think it was for mutual benefit, but he could give a shit about the other person's benefit.It benefits everyone actually. It is a kindness. What's the alternate? Sitting around, chewing the fat, talking small talk about nothing. Nothing ever gets accomplished. Neither party benefits in any tangible way. What's better? Two parties, working together for a mutual benefit.
First Spock had a moral code. A psychopath does not. So even if Spock had been emotionless, which he was not in the least, he still had rules that made him will to even sacrifice his own life for others. And then, he obviously had emotions and cared about Kirk and others.It is morally good. I can provide countless examples of how psychopathy is morally good. For example, Spock from Star Trek, is a psychopath. I'm not as emotionless as he is though.
Psychopaths do not have a hard time faking emotions.
That's because you're not a psychopath. For you it's a challenge.I don't see it that way.
Ecmandu wrote:Brain is a muscle... you've got to work it.
My brain has hurt steadily for 25 years...
I'm a professional weightlifter!
Ecmandu wrote:
This post was dismissive sorry.
Let me explain a hyperdimensional mirror.
Just like logic itself is more powerful than any being you can imagine, and it's not aware of itself, in those same dimensions exist eternal forms (outside space time)
We are co-using reflections of these forms, such that there really are 7 billion humans etc... on this planet.
What a hyperdimensional mirror does is the same thing a real mirror does. If I hold a mirror to your face and rub the mirror where your face is, you don't feel my hand. That's just a regular mirror.
A hyperdimansional mirror makes a 3D reality, and it reflects all of the senses. It also mirrors consciousness signatures and consciousness signature frequencies (biological and/or cognitive age adjustments).
The beauty of a mirror is that it is exactly the person, with no possibility of hurting them!
Not only that, but you can change everything reflected by changing the shape of the mirror.
You can literally make everyone love you without having to earn their love, and in doing so, it's impossible to hurt the actual being!
What it does is to create a 100% consensual reality with a non zero sum system!
Karpel Tunnel wrote: I suppose if you were put in the military and repeatedly were forced to Geneva Convention type crimes, you might become a psychopath, or some other similar type of experience, but generally it is not something that you become.
To me I just don't think psychopaths are afraid of getting ostracized by feminists. And it is precisely the kind of thing that psychopaths are skilled at: avoiding letting people know how they feel or do not feel.
It's the viewing others ONLY instrumentally that is the problem, at least, non-psychopaths tend to think so. When there is no empathy.
LOL, a psychopath would allow the other to think it was for mutual benefit, but he could give a shit about the other person's benefit.It benefits everyone actually. It is a kindness. What's the alternate? Sitting around, chewing the fat, talking small talk about nothing. Nothing ever gets accomplished. Neither party benefits in any tangible way. What's better? Two parties, working together for a mutual benefit.
First Spock had a moral code. A psychopath does not. So even if Spock had been emotionless, which he was not in the least, he still had rules that made him will to even sacrifice his own life for others. And then, he obviously had emotions and cared about Kirk and others.It is morally good. I can provide countless examples of how psychopathy is morally good. For example, Spock from Star Trek, is a psychopath. I'm not as emotionless as he is though.
[/quote]Psychopaths do not have a hard time faking emotions.That's because you're not a psychopath. For you it's a challenge.I don't see it that way.
Many people, especially males, have violent fantasies, including many non-psychopaths.lordoflight wrote:I played violent videogames. Also when someone is cruel to me, I have violent fantasies that I don't do because I'm afraid of being locked in a cage. I suppose that counts for something. Most cogs of the machine do not become psychopaths. They have a wife, hobbies, a stupid 9 to 5, and interest in shitty movies like Last Jedi. Lonely outcasts nobody cares to understand, people who are given the boot, are not the same as those cogs of the machine.
To me I just don't think psychopaths are afraid of getting ostracized by feminists. And it is precisely the kind of thing that psychopaths are skilled at: avoiding letting people know how they feel or do not feel.
I didn't say psychopaths have no fear. I said I don't think they are afraid of getting ostracized by feminists. And weird you would mention walking in front of a bus, which is suicidal.If psychopaths had no fear then they would all just walk in front of a bus.
Getting ostracized by one group in society is very different from acting out violently or committing suicide. Yes, psychopaths definitely have survival instincts. But, for example, expressing disdain for feminist positions on things, which might leads to being ostracized, would be a very low scale type of fear for a psychopath. Unless his survival depended on having them like him. Is your surivival right now connected to being considered a good person by feminists? There are plenty of places one can move in the US where you will have whole towns where anyone who is a feminist keeps their mouth shut and their may not be any.Because their brain would say "Why not"? They don't so they still have survival mechanisms in working order. Getting harassed by a bunch of feminists is counter productive. Getting locked into a cage is counter productive. Psychopaths get bored easily so why would they all just go out on a crime spree at a whim? They know they will get locked in a cage so they don't. They all don't just go about and run in front of buses just to have a chance at escaping boredom.
Well, there you do. Precisely. Again, I think it is very unlikely any psychopaths go around in fear of being ostracized by feminists, but many non-psychopaths do.As for hiding their feelings, they only do it if they think it will give them some kind of social advantage. If they have no idea whether it will or not, they they don't hide their feelings. Psychopaths tend to be more honest about things than normies, its mostly normies who hide their feelings.
That is the normie delusion. Shits and giggles doesn't even describe it. Because people like Ecmandu give me the giggles. Its deeper than that. Normies have this tribal sense of progress around people, like they are all part of some kumbaya at a campfire, even which the shit is going south and nothing is going on. Its a delusion. Its like poor people huddled around a bucket, all talking about how great things are. Insane. Absolutely looney. I don't have time for that. I don't have time for stupid meetings where people talk about their feelings. Its boring as hell. Mostly the delivery. They go about it in a corporate, boring manner. Now if someone like George Carlin told me about his feelings, I would listen. Its not that I don't want to hear about your feelings. But if you want to tell me about your feelings, at least do it with damn feeling, otherwise it defeats the whole damn point of it.
No psychopath would say this last quote and mean it. They might say it to manipulate someone. But if you meant the above you are not a psychopath.And yes sometimes when people cry it gives me a boner. Yes it makes me giggle sometimes. Does it make me a bad person? No. I'm a nice person. I'll even give them a bottle of water or even a snack, if I'm feeling generous. Doesn't mean I'm a bad person. If I'm feeling nice I might even give them some advice and help them with their life. So what. I helped them out. I gave them a bottle of water. I gave them some advice. I did some good in their lives. I'm a good person. And yet as good as I am, people wouldn't even help me when I was having a bad time of it.
I don't know why you think its so easy for them.
Long term, they probably will not. To get laid sure. To get married through a long courtship for the money, sure.They are creating something that is not there. It would be like an alien from another planet, trying to fit in. Not easy. And females can see it. Even if you fake it they can tell you are faking it. Lets say they are doing some stupid boring activity, like zentangle. And in order to get laid, you have to James Bond it and pretend you're into the zentangle. You are gonna tell me that a real psychopath can convince her that they are actually into stupid Zentangle crap?
Karpel Tunnel wrote:Many people, especially males, have violent fantasies, including many non-psychopaths.
I didn't say psychopaths have no fear. I said I don't think they are afraid of getting ostracized by feminists. And weird you would mention walking in front of a bus, which is suicidal.
\Getting ostracized by one group in society is very different from acting out violently or committing suicide. Yes, psychopaths definitely have survival instincts. But, for example, expressing disdain for feminist positions on things, which might leads to being ostracized, would be a very low scale type of fear for a psychopath. Unless his survival depended on having them like him. Is your surivival right now connected to being considered a good person by feminists? There are plenty of places one can move in the US where you will have whole towns where anyone who is a feminist keeps their mouth shut and their may not be any.
Maybe in the past but not nowadays. Nowadays there are horror stories of people losing their job over a minor sexist joke.Well, there you do. Precisely. Again, I think it is very unlikely any psychopaths go around in fear of being ostracized by feminists, but many non-psychopaths do.
That is the normie delusion. Shits and giggles doesn't even describe it. Because people like Ecmandu give me the giggles. Its deeper than that. Normies have this tribal sense of progress around people, like they are all part of some kumbaya at a campfire, even which the shit is going south and nothing is going on. Its a delusion. Its like poor people huddled around a bucket, all talking about how great things are. Insane. Absolutely looney. I don't have time for that. I don't have time for stupid meetings where people talk about their feelings. Its boring as hell. Mostly the delivery. They go about it in a corporate, boring manner. Now if someone like George Carlin told me about his feelings, I would listen. Its not that I don't want to hear about your feelings. But if you want to tell me about your feelings, at least do it with damn feeling, otherwise it defeats the whole damn point of it.
Its not that psychopaths don't have feelings. They just dont have the same type of feelings as other people. Someone with no feelings at all is anhedonic. Anhedonic people have no survival reflexes since they have no feelings, and they are dysfunctional.1) you've been talking a lot about your feelings
And yes sometimes when people cry it gives me a boner. Yes it makes me giggle sometimes. Does it make me a bad person? No. I'm a nice person. I'll even give them a bottle of water or even a snack, if I'm feeling generous. Doesn't mean I'm a bad person. If I'm feeling nice I might even give them some advice and help them with their life. So what. I helped them out. I gave them a bottle of water. I gave them some advice. I did some good in their lives. I'm a good person. And yet as good as I am, people wouldn't even help me when I was having a bad time of it.
No psychopath would say this last quote and mean it. They might say it to manipulate someone. But if you meant the above you are not a psychopath.
Long term, they probably will not. To get laid sure. To get married through a long courtship for the money, sure.
Look, I'll leave it here. You wanna think you're a psychopath, well, you are probably gonna, but you do not remotely describe yourself like one. You don't seem to understand what they are like. There are many much less exotic descriptions of what you are and are not feeling. But if it feels good having that self-diagnosis, keep it, but I would guess it will keep you stuck in some habits trying to live up to it.
Which some non-psychopaths, no let me correct that, many also hate.lordoflight wrote:And why wouldn't they? The world is rigged against males. And every time they look in the mirror they have to look unsexy and always boring, like a worker drone.
Right but psychopaths have to navigate normal workplaces, just like the rest of us. You talked about getting ostracized. I took that to mean socially. In most workplaces you cannot react as you feel to the boss, coworkers - at least, often- and customers. There is a huge pressue to act within a very narrow range of possible ways - worker drone - as you put it. For some reason you are focusing on feminists. Try laughing at the bosses hair. Telling an asshole customer where he can shove his soy latte. And so on in thousands of micro-cultural interactions, with millions of rules. Psychopaths and non-spychopaths alike must navigate this world. They protect themselves, but, again, the psychopaths are not living in fear of feminists. Feminists present just another set of rules and bullshit they must navigate. Many of them actually do well in certain fields and even become leaders in, for example, the business world. Because they are good at manipulating. Yes, they avoid making mistakes in the context of all these rules, and they do this to get by and to thrive. They see others as loopy people bound by morals the psychopaths do not give a shit about. But your image of the psychopath living in fear is a giveaway that you are not a psychopath.Nowadays a scientist lost his job over a sexist joke. The world is ran by the absolute insane. Its like walking on eggshells. I post freely my hate of feminism on ILP. But on a site like OkCupid or something it would be suicidal.
There are lots of places in the Midwest one can go, for example, and it is not just hick towns. But again see my answer to the first quote above. Prefeminist any psychopath had millions of rules to follow to keep his job.Small hick towns. City places are crawling with em. And in city places you keep your mouth shut and obey the twilight zone propoganda. No sexist jokes or political incorrectness or else you'll be assaulted by the sjw zombie horde. Absolutely I would be afraid to criticize feminism around them.
Well, there you do. Precisely. Again, I think it is very unlikely any psychopaths go around in fear of being ostracized by feminists, but many non-psychopaths do.
Yes, there's one more category of 'normalness' psychopaths have to keep track of.Maybe in the past but not nowadays. Nowadays there are horror stories of people losing their job over a minor sexist joke.
And yes sometimes when people cry it gives me a boner. Yes it makes me giggle sometimes. Does it make me a bad person? No. I'm a nice person. I'll even give them a bottle of water or even a snack, if I'm feeling generous. Doesn't mean I'm a bad person. If I'm feeling nice I might even give them some advice and help them with their life. So what. I helped them out. I gave them a bottle of water. I gave them some advice. I did some good in their lives. I'm a good person. And yet as good as I am, people wouldn't even help me when I was having a bad time of it.
You're saying you've been a good guy and other people did not reciprocate. You are describing yourself in moral terms, and it seems like arguing that other people have not treated you fairly. That's normal talk for why you resent other people. Couching yourself in moral terms...not psychopathic, unless you are simply trying to manipulate me. Saying you are a good guy others have wronged---not psychopathic.No psychopath would say this last quote and mean it. They might say it to manipulate someone. But if you meant the above you are not a psychopath.
What about it wouldn't they mean?
Sure, anyone with a poor background has it harder. A psychopath has it easier than a normal becaues the psychopath does not need to pretend to himself that he cares about the women - so he can lie whenever it will help him get sex, for example. A normal might feel guilt about many types of manipulative conversation, false promises, pretending affection one doesn't have. The psychopath will not. A poor psychopath has advantages over a poor normal. And so on up the scale. Sure a poor man has problems, though if he can come dressed alright to a meet up, getting laid is not at all off the table, Getting marries presents him with the same problems as a poor normal, except the psychopath can lie his ass off and misrepresent himself. Psychopaths also tend to be charismatic, at least in early encounters, which gives them an advantage in a club and other shallow meeting places where poeple try to hook up for sex.You're acting like its easy to get laid.
The psychopaths you're picturing in your mind are rich psychos who can woo women with their money. A psychopath born into poverty is gonna have a tougher time. Especially if they look anything less than a model. Unless they are into dudes or something.
I don't think Ps are anhedonics. I just see them as seeing others in purely instrumental terms. They do not walk around thinking 'I am a good guy. I have treated others well and they did not reciprocate' type stuff.I've read journals of psychopaths. The extreme ones sound like anhedonics. They feel nothing. They do absurd things just to feel anything at all. Regular psychopaths are not that extreme. Although I do value peace and quiet. When I hear irritating sounds I try to hide the fact my veins are bubbling red inside.
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