The Iron Gods, the Earthy Gods

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Re: The Iron Gods, the Earthy Gods

Postby URUZ » Mon May 07, 2018 5:10 pm

Hecate:


infinite longing. Insatiability, but as both pain and pleasure.
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Re: The Iron Gods, the Earthy Gods

Postby Fixed Cross » Sat Aug 18, 2018 10:51 pm

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What of Hera.
Does she even accept the existence of humans at all?
The strong do what they can, the weak accept what they must.
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Re: The Iron Gods, the Earthy Gods

Postby Jakob » Tue Feb 19, 2019 1:41 pm

Kraa Kraa
Come nigh

Empty beach
Tight flag
Good wind

Lead grey
Our sea
Come nigh

Kraa kraa
Soft wind
Salt wind
Fish wind
Old wind

Words
Like scattered shells
Glimmer in the surf

Black winged
Mischief
Glimmers in the mind

Never an end
Always the wind
Carrying its beings
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Re: The Iron Gods, the Earthy Gods

Postby Jakob » Tue Feb 19, 2019 2:24 pm

There was Wind
Then there was a first
It had two wings
So the Number was born
And the many followed
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Re: The Iron Gods, the Earthy Gods

Postby Jakob » Wed Mar 06, 2019 9:05 pm

In most languages that work with genders, the Moon is designated as feminine. La Lune, and the Sun as masculine; Le Soleil.

However in German these gender roles are reversed. Der Mond, Die Sonne.



Most of us who arent barren wrecks have some feelings about the characters of Sun, Moon, and in general mighty natural phenomena. The moon is usually associated with the mother. It is really quite odd and interesting that, to a German, the moon would rather pertain to the father, despite the role of the moon in a womans "blood management".
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Re: The Iron Gods, the Earthy Gods

Postby Pandora » Thu Mar 07, 2019 8:59 pm

It seems that the Pagans used lunar calendar first. Their days started at sunset, making moon the primary object for counting days, so *maybe* its primacy led to it being associated with a a brother/boy (and sun with a sister/girl) in the folklore at first (brother the moon, and the sister the sun). The other guess is that sun may have been associated with fertility cults by the ancients that were connected to the female reproductive qualities.
https://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Máni

https://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germanic_calendar

Note: Mane (moon) in Norwegian is also masculine.

I once asked a Muslim man in a conversation why the Muslims still use the lunar calendar. He simply told me that the sun is the same every day and changes with seasons, but the moon changes every day, so it’s easy to do timekeeping in smaller sections a inother words, that the moon is more accurate for time keeping than the sun. Simple enough explanation.

It would be interesting to explore the historical adaptations of time keeping that we use today. As I recall we adopted minutes and seconds from the ancient Babylonians who counted in 60’.

I also believe English measurement system is better than the metric as it is more conservative naturalistic, although it may be more awkward to use practically. Yes, most will defend the metric system BC of its ease of use, but the origin of bases seem to be more arbitrary. How far can you go before you just say, it just is so for convenience’s sake?
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Re: The Iron Gods, the Earthy Gods

Postby Jakob » Sat Mar 09, 2019 1:04 am

You dont leave much to doubt. This is something that is asking to be implemented if we are asking to advance, our capacity to be worthy of the gods. One may take gods symbolically or literally, it doesnt matter; worthy of that which is above us.

I was pondering for an example of the solar feminine and realized that in Arabia, that was exactly what I witnessed. On my post 911 investigation in Damascus, wherever I went to visit a family there was a general hovering of men and children around a seated matriarch at the center of whichever remarkable space housed that family. Beautiful strange places, one operatic roman styled patio with three or four levels of galleries, the mother sat on a throne under the open space leading to the sky, the children happily running around, a small girl giving me a balloon, the mother completely silent and the men hiding in the shadows. Another was a concrete room with carpets on the wall and the same situation. Men found a shadow to hide in. The mother in the center throne, the eldest daughter standing on the most elevated thing in the room with her back to a wall scrutinizing me with some attractive sadism.
Maybe the men were hiding as they were Hezbollah, but they were good at it.

If I want to define "naive" for myself I might think of the opposite of these women.
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Re: The Iron Gods, the Earthy Gods

Postby Jakob » Sat Mar 09, 2019 1:22 am

I do feel that men are more prone to lunacy than women. Women, even in the midst of sheer madness, keep their self-interest at heart. Men appear in different shapes and in orbit of some thing they obsess over, never fully aware of their proper character.
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Re: The Iron Gods, the Earthy Gods

Postby Jakob » Sat Mar 09, 2019 1:38 am

The Moon is in tropical (seasonal, mathematical) Aries now approaching the sidereal Aries, the actual constellation.
A focus on the moon in the sense of initiating an approach is fitting to this placement.

Today is March 8

following days with moon in Aries;

April 4
May 1
May 28
June 25
July 22
August 18
September 15
October 12
November 8
December 5
January 30
February 25
March 24
April 20

Have to start somewhere. The fact that January 1st, my sisters and my own birthday and our most important national day of feast (Sinterklaasavond) occur during such placements will serve as a good omen.

Full moon in Aries will be a Libra Sun, so thats the October date. New Moon in Aries is coming up next, the April date.

The first lunar year in the first year of Saturn within the fourth year of Jupiter.
Starting April 4 2019.
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Re: The Iron Gods, the Earthy Gods

Postby Jakob » Sat Mar 09, 2019 1:57 am

Since the feminine character of the Moon has since thousands of years been associated with the fixed earth sign of Venutian Taurus, it is no small thing to discover the masculine character of the Moon in the cardinal fire sign of Martial Aries.
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Re: The Iron Gods, the Earthy Gods

Postby Jakob » Sat Mar 09, 2019 2:05 am

Note that the point of a calendar isnt to identify meaning, but to create a pattern of consciousness, in which a deeper valuing of life comes to be embedded - see it as the soil of time being tilled by the sharp plow of awareness.
Whatever comes to arise as meaning within such a calendars days comes on its own accord, but within the welcoming environment of attention to the recurrence of the same. A year of whichever type, a cycle one lives and counts by, is a house for the mind.

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Re: The Iron Gods, the Earthy Gods

Postby Pandora » Sat Mar 09, 2019 7:25 am

https://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khonsu
Moon as the great wanderer, traveller, and the protector.

https://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sin_(mythology)
Sin/Nanna, the god of time-keeping, wisdom and astrology.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ancien ... p/1-15667/

His role as a keeper of time (guardian of the future) is especially interesting as he understands the past as the future. In looking at the past, Nanna was able to clearly see human destiny, collectively and individually, and those who came to him for divination could alter their future for the better by accepting his counsel. In addition to his wisdom and foresight, the god also offered many other gifts to humanity.


An interesting aspect of this family tree is that the moon (Nanna) is the father of the sun (Utu/Shamash). It is thought this belief originated in the early days of a hunter-gatherer social structure when the moon was more important to a community for traveling by night and telling the time of the month; the sun only became more important once the people settled down and began to practice agriculture. The religious belief, then, mirrored the cultural development.
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Re: The Iron Gods, the Earthy Gods

Postby Pandora » Sat Mar 09, 2019 10:12 am

Lunar god Máni
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Sabazios, identified with the lunar god Men, standing upon a ram's head (from syncretic cult). (The hand gesture is characteristic of this cult)
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Re: The Iron Gods, the Earthy Gods

Postby Jakob » Sun Mar 10, 2019 1:47 am

Majestic stuff.
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Re: The Iron Gods, the Earthy Gods

Postby Jakob » Sun Mar 10, 2019 2:13 pm

Thank you Pandora. This all is most valuable to me.

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The name Mani lives on in Dutch, where the Moon is called Maan.
Our language is in many instances deeply faithful.
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Re: The Iron Gods, the Earthy Gods

Postby Jakob » Sun Mar 10, 2019 11:16 pm

Like the word for the number nine, negen, can be read backwards, appropriate to the nature of the 9 in the root system.

123456789
246813579
369369369
483726159
516273849
753186429
876543219
999999999

9 is the Kabalic number of the Moon; the sphere of Yesod, represented by an ideal male form.

9. Yesod

Foundation

The Ninth Path is called the Pure Intelligence because it purifies the Emanations. It proves and corrects the designing of their representations, and disposes the unity with which they are designed without diminution or division.

World - Color - Divine Aspect - Tarot Card

Atziluth - Indigo - Shaddai El Chai ("The Almighty Living One") - Nine of Wands: Great strength
Briah - Violet - Gabriel ("Strength of God") - Nine of Cups: Material happiness
Yetzirah - Very dark purple - Kerubim ("The Strong") - Nine of Swords: Despair and cruelty
Assiah - Citrine, flecked azure - Levanah ("The Lunar Flame"), The Moon - Nine of Pentacles: Material gain

Titles: Treasurehouse of Images
Symbols: The Perfumes, The Sandals
Body: Reproductive organs
Virtue: Independence Vice: Idleness
Spiritual Experience: Vision of the Machinery of the Universe
Magical Image: A beautiful naked man, very strong
Gods: Isis, Thoth, Osiris, Artemis, Hecate, Hades, Diana, Pluto, Gefyion, Njord, Arianhrod, Llyr, Hanannan, Soma, Mitra, Varuna, Sin, Ea, Tiamat, Nanahoatl, Tlaloc, Heng-O,Yi-Chiang

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Re: The Iron Gods, the Earthy Gods

Postby Pandora » Mon Mar 11, 2019 1:55 pm

The only natural occurrence of number 9 that I can think of is 9 (lunar) months in a human pregnancy.
Also, nine is synonymous with “new”.

As for gods mentioned, it would have been logical to assign moon to god Poseidon as it affects the tides.

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Re: The Iron Gods, the Earthy Gods

Postby Jakob » Mon Mar 11, 2019 9:48 pm

Yes, Poseidon would have fit this profile.


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Re: The Iron Gods, the Earthy Gods

Postby Jakob » Mon Mar 11, 2019 10:16 pm

http://en.es-static.us/upl/2014/05/full ... temple.jpg

The Greeks are the only ones that built temples that make me aware of who they are. Perhaps because they are most like me, I would like that. Perhaps because they were the most human of all races. They feared with open eyes.
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Re: The Iron Gods, the Earthy Gods

Postby Jakob » Fri Mar 15, 2019 12:06 am

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Re: The Iron Gods, the Earthy Gods

Postby Silhouette » Fri Mar 15, 2019 2:04 am

9 has much the same properties as 1 in the binary system of counting.

Before you get so excited about a number, remember its base: 9 is 9 base 10, which is the same as saying it's the number before you add 1 to the next order of magnitude and reset the current order of magnitude.

This is why the binary 1 has a lot of the same properties, as would 8 in nonal or 15 in hexadecimal.

Your number array in nonal:

12345678
24682468
36147258
48484848
52741638
64286428
76543218
88888888

Ooo isn't 8 magical :o

9 means "new" because when you count in 4s e.g. by touching each of your fingers with your thumb to count "1" etc. you do the first batch on hand 1 and the 2nd on hand 2. After the number of fingers, f, multiplied by the number of hands, h, "new", n=fh+1. In the current human case it's n=(4x2)+1=9. This method of counting is actually where the e.g. French "neuf" derives from, which no doubt spills over many different languages, but unsurprisingly not all.
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Re: The Iron Gods, the Earthy Gods

Postby Jakob » Fri Mar 15, 2019 11:28 pm

Silhouette wrote:9 has much the same properties as 1 in the binary system of counting.

Before you get so excited about a number, remember its base: 9 is 9 base 10, which is the same as saying it's the number before you add 1 to the next order of magnitude and reset the current order of magnitude.

This is why the binary 1 has a lot of the same properties, as would 8 in nonal or 15 in hexadecimal.

Your number array in nonal:

12345678
24682468
36147258
48484848
52741638
64286428
76543218
88888888

Ooo isn't 8 magical :o

Its not quite the same, is it.
A 3 base system would be more proper to what you're trying to say, more symmetrical.
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Re: The Iron Gods, the Earthy Gods

Postby Silhouette » Fri Mar 15, 2019 11:58 pm

Jakob wrote:Its not quite the same, is it.
A 3 base system would be more proper to what you're trying to say, more symmetrical.

3 base:

12
22

Exciting!

Both my nonal and ternary versions prove my point. Nine is not special, unless it is base 10, sorry. Otherwise other numbers are special in the same way.
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Re: The Iron Gods, the Earthy Gods

Postby Jakob » Sat Mar 16, 2019 3:06 pm

Im so sorry your mental health keeps deteriorating.

Patients like you, there is evidently no point to pointing out that you missed the point.
I tried to be delicate.

In as far as you are still able to control yourself, I request that you try to keep away from my threads. I ask this of all fascists and illiterates.
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Re: The Iron Gods, the Earthy Gods

Postby Silhouette » Sat Mar 16, 2019 8:01 pm

Are you ok, Jakob?

Your recent turn is kinda worrying me, genuinely.
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