you’re a bright fellow (when you aren’t rambling), but i can’t for the life of me figure out why you continuously fail to grasp the simplest, most incremental fact that distinguishes the two systems in material terms.
human beings are, first and foremost, before they are labeled ‘capitalist’ or ‘socialist’, material creatures that produce and consume in their environment. they do not become one or the other - capitalist or socialist - until they are put into a particular social arrangement in which these processes take place. what they are all doing is being ‘concerned with creation and product’ (call it commodities, money, credit, or fucking bullion cubes… doesn’t matter), and where they differ is how they proceed to enter into this discourse of production and exchange. the only fundamental and essential characteristic distinguishing one from the other is the role they play in this discourse. there is nothing else ‘different’ about them. same species, same desires, same capacities. it isn’t that one ‘values money’ and the other ‘values creation’. this is poetry. we aren’t doing poetry… were doing science. when a person derives their means of sustenance from another’s labor, they are categorically different from the laborer, and being such, they don’t actually ‘create’ anything… because one cannot create without laboring. i keep telling you over, and over and over again; the capitalist does nothing in the chain of production. nothing. and he does so much nothing, you’d notice no difference in anything - not production or distribution - if he were absent. both of these functions are a form of labor and performed by the worker, not the capitalist.
now it may be the case that the capitalist likes to think of himself as an artist, or a creator, or an innovator, or a genius, or a pioneer, or whatever else floats his boat… but none of this can be actually realized without labor… and if he isn’t doing the labor, he has no part in the transformation of ideas into material substance. he will of course profit from the creation of such, but he takes no part in making it happen. that’s the beef worker’s have with the capitalist. either get your hands dirty like everyone else, or fuck off. you ain’t gettin’ a free ride. what the fuck do i look like… the social security office?