The abiotic Mirror as Human wishes

You’re missing the point, it has to do with bounding thought wreaked by the state. We have idiots, for example, trying to sell imbecile, obviously false, science dogma to the public through matching it with art. To popularize the very thinking that is stultifying their own, and your, feeble minds. One must stop indoctrinating the young in this bunk prejudiced and thoughtless state metaphysics which has no appeal to reason. Actively excludes reason and leaves it to private existentialism and the ad hominem, i.e., the rule that forbids humans to take their own views and insights seriously under the notion that they are “subjective”, thereby destroying the possibility the human individual, passing them off to the sophistry of the university meaningless and non-existent world of the formal “argument”. You are fucking stupid as hell because of these four hundred years of propaganda and indoctrination. You’re so moronic it doesn’t make an impression on you that you have had twenty years of education and that it had an effect! That is a kind of brain death. A very great effort is needed to exercise your mind.

You have mentioned this in a previous post, and it has been mentioned here many times over the years, by those with similar thoughts on the matter of indoctrination through the education system… but isn’t that what we sign up for, when we sign up to higher and further education in our chosen field? but with the knowing, in the back of our minds, that it is simply a means to an end… that we obviously want… because we signed up to it.

Have you ever thought that I just simply have a different mentality to you? Perhaps I do not care about indoctrination, if I have made the decision to be indoctrinated… people happily make choices to be seduced into sex, or enticed by drugs, but want to complain about the education system, and anyway… nobody ever said that Science was gospel, even if it is being sold as such, for the burgeoning unadulterated enquiring mind of youth would have developed with this knowing in the back of their mind.

I make thoughts cease to flow and the body take over… what am I?

Only 400 years? what about the innate indoctrination that is entwined in us… along with our DNA? :confusion-shrug:

Make that 15 years for me, and yes… a kind of brain death sounds about right.

A very great effort is not only needed to exercise my mind, but my very being… to the core.

Agree nearly entirely.

Could you explain what you mean by this part…

science dogma to the public through matching it with art

I think the description is fitting, and it is caused by the afterglow of a de differentiation or, a hidden intentional try at controlling the possibility that science is bound to produce a new state of being, with very little areas of self determination, curtailing human freedom. That it is hidden , appears to support the argument that it is a naturally derivitive process, congruent with the idea that appear to mimic (copy)tramscemdentally reductive theories.

Our most powerful education starts before any schoolroom. In the family. When we grow into being human. Our parents effected by their educations, even in the first years of their (obligatory state) schooling, or, most of all then. Who can deny (“weak”) “epigenetics” (of course, the stronger kind is also admitted these days) in the sense of the inheritance of the learned thing in the Reaction Norm (calculable result of environment and genes)? Ergo, the alteration of the organism through immediate environment starting from birth? However, on a less clear level, since the whole of the account of biology is learned, a profound ambiguity opens out.

You made no decision. You might, in principle, to remain in the current thinking. However, strictly speaking, to know you are in a indoctrination is to be outside the hoop. You surely do not know. Intelligibility is not conscience knowing that produces living insight. This is something wholly different (from mere intelligibility of the thing said in a sentence). It, however, might be educated. This is my first ethical recommendation for us all.

True, I always agree with “Meno” (the evil and rude, and hideous to see), though she doesn’t agree with me (about the same matters), but this is to misunderstand what I mean by the state metaphysics. Science, as what is, is not the forced state metaphysics, as the understanding, or science [theoria: standing above in orientation: presence of being] of science (ergo: mere technological “it works”). Ergo, the black manipulation of the understanding of what is PRACTICAL.

science dogma to the public through matching it with art"

by example: vimeo.com/178469976

innumerable such efforts come out of the “university”: bampfa.org/event/colloquium-whe … modern-art

Ultra(montaighn) propaganda, sincere and well meaning, relentless and unthinking as evolution.

Indeed… I do not disagree with any of that, and a stable upbringing and household are also key in the development of a wise and stable self.

I think epigenetics is a major factor, in the displacement of a populus becoming internally superficially altered, via altered gene activity… preventing certain genes from being expressed, resulting in said internal changes… namely sympathetic and para-sympathetic ones.

Was I ever in the hoop? (loop)?

My apologies for knowing, but a disparate group gravitated towards each other, and discussed such matters, and agreed upon their roads to take despite knowing what was involved… perhaps this ‘knowing’ started in the home, through discussion and dialogue, on many matters of the heart and mind. How can one not know of indoctrination at the age of one’s becoming?

Man-made concepts and theories (the back bone of indoctrination) are just that… indoctrination, and to know that means to consciously sign up to it, but perhaps in a subversive way than one would otherwise do… an awareness of the process, if you will.

Try and prove me otherwise… if you will.

I did not miss the point… I simply do not share your world view, but I guess the issue is with how all these education-indoctrinated people are being utilised and show-cased? Profit, not loss, is always preferable to no gains at all, so let’s make gains baby! :wink:

You did not say what your preferable scenario is? as surely you must have one, if this one is to your distaste?

I think you are. Just as the person grown up in Mao’s China who assumes, as in past one did that the earth stood still, that Nationalist monsters are lurking, with their seedy faces, all about. Or, the cannibal, who never dreams of regarding cannibalism as something scandalous. Worldview means something conscious, a science. Growing into being a human is much earlier, before even a schoolroom, comes from our parents. When one works a way out, through long paths in thought, one looks out of the hoop, while being in it. Anyway, there is not much to say to one such as you.

“Anyway, there is not much to say to one such as you.”
I doubt that that is a compliment, but who is not aware of the things you speak of above? you presume too much… we are all in the hoop/loop when we partake in a society designed for progression, but the knowing subversives know that that society has been engineered that way… how can this not be known? Conversations with parents, teachers, and peers brings this to light at a very early age… or perhaps only those that seek it know.

Perhaps you have said enough!

Subversives are immersed in the public attitude of their fellow humans and obstructed by their desire for a future. Any future is already an obstruction to being. This is in a way obvious, but it is not genuinely noticed by the sham “subversives” with their clothes meant to signal their opposition from the core of their cultural bloc and so forth.

…and yet the subversive knows what you have deemed unknowable… the consenting indoctrination of the individual through education, with their mind constantly aiming towards the future… as they know what the present is, whom dress to impress (themselves), so in opposition to ‘most’… by default.

“sham “subversives”” - Why so? Why think that? The subversive is subversive for a reason… who would become so, if not for a reason? says he who talks with words shrouded in code and tales of yesteryear, says he who resides in the past… isn’t that an obstruction to being?

We wear uniforms for school… we don’t have to wear them as adults… all blacks blues Browns and beiges, in the latest or most classical of styles, but… then again, the non-subversives don’t want to stand out, for they are not a beacon of change, but of stagnation.

You have no ability to think. Mere blather deserving of contempt.

Instead of resorting to your usual Tourette’s-fuelled blanket-statement of an ad hom, your mental capacity would have been better utilised in putting forward a less ad-hominous reason for the ‘why’… but right now, after ‘that’, it would come too late to be accepted by the Ich.

Now where did I put that Mensa certificate… :confusion-scratchheadyellow:

:smiley:

You are infinitely out of touch with reality.

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rosa lichtenstein wrote:

On Heidegger the silly old fart:

Practically every sentence this charlatan (Heidegger) ever wrote was metaphysical (as well as being incomprehensible).

Exhibit A for the presecution of his ‘disciples’:

Apart from the minor fact that it is complete bollocks, is this a scientific claim?

No

Does it claim to provide a priori knowledge of the world?

Yes.

As I said: metaphysical.

Into the flames with it.

Please do not post any more of this sub-standard tripe; I want to hang on to my breakfast a bit longer.

I suspect he needs to re-read Wittgenstein, and throw Heidegger in the trash.

I am afraid I have to agree with Hume on this one: into the flames with it.

Metaphysical drivel.

I only posted this since it seemed to confirm my negative view of Heidegger.

An even better book about Heidegger (which exposes him as a philosophical plonker, and his ‘disciples’ as idiots) is Paul Edwards’s book Heidegger’s Confusions (Prometheus Books, 2004).

Throw all of traditional philosophy onto the bonfire, beginning with Heidegger. That will do for starters.

A priori, dogmatic guff I am afraid, from that Nazi charlatan.

On the other hand – perhaps I was wrong about burning it all.

Yes, on second thoughts, burning is far too good for it…

Unless you need to read up on this for a college course, I’d advise you to steer clear of epistemology in its entirety. Not one single problem has been solved in 2500 years, and we still do not know what a solution would even look like.

And definitely steer clear of Heidegger, unless you want to be bamboozled by an out and out charlatan.

I honestly do not know why anyone bothers with that charlatan Heidegger; I suggest that unless you have to (to pass acourse at college, or whatever) you do not waste your time with that jargon-meister. He’s even worse than Hegel. At least Hegel was not a charlatan.

He no more means anything by the term ‘Being’ than did Parmenides who invented the term (by nonimalising a perfectly good verb) – a trick that Plato and subsequent philosophers perfected.

[On Heidegger, I am not the person to ask since I would not touch his work with someone else’s condom-covered barge pole.]

Heidegger was a dumbass compared to Frege.

Yes, I am… with your’s.

Your reality is yours to have, but you seem intent on taking everyone else’s reality away from them! Are you jealous? Have you led a very sheltered life c/o the Establishment, and now you don’t know how to play nice with us mere mortals who are grounded in a more collective reality than yours? Am I right? I probably am…

What reality should I/we be in touch with… your’s? an indoctrinated one? everyone else’s’? or our own individual reality that is ours’ for the making?

…but do not reply if you have nothing fruitful to say, but simply… go away. Stop lieing to yourself!