Animalism, Earthism

There, exorcism accomplished.

to the point of the Soviet; there never was a phase in which the idea of the self governing region was realized.

We can find historical as well as logical reasons for this; foremost the fact that the regions did not decide as regions qua regions to self-govern on their own initiative.

It was Lenin who had take the initiative, and no Soviet, Kolchoz or Sovchoz was ever free of that knowledge.

In fact state Communism both in USSR and China have served mostly to take power from a fragile, decadent royal house at the point where the emerging sciences demanded stronger hands and colder minds.

Mao simply used Communism to lead China out of the ā€œcentury of humiliationā€ and restore its self image as world primacy.
Lenin and then Stalin made out of Russia a domineering country where it had previously been rather docile, aware of its modest cultural role with respect to France and Holland and other nations where it sent delegations, sometimes with the Czar present, to be taught modern means.

What Lenin and Mao did is something that seems to me very much a Nietzschean line of action, most unlike what Hitler did. Stalin is another category, he was the first real International Socialist in the sense of having usurped half of Europe and dominated the leverages in much of the rest of the continent.


SOCIALISM AS UNIONIZING


I think this is the real crux here.

If one can get a Union to work, as it did in the premarxist socialism of England, then this is simply leveraging value in a proper way.

What went wrong with the unions is that they were blindly ideological. Whichever power thinks of itself as being entitled by historical necessity is bound to be seduced into all kinds of practices as the goal glibly justifies any chosen means. So you get union leaders pathetic in their grime like catholic priests, anyone who can take the burden of leadership among men and women who have never had to lead before and thus do not know what leadership is made of, will be tested by the tricks of powers of longer experience. It is a game, in the sense that there are rules set by the nature of the goal.

The goal precludes permission of that which would universally delete the goal.
So the rules are based on that.
Ladders that come down at certain commands.
Gates of Moria above the head.

Unions are luxuries. As a system, as an ideology, they obviously canā€™t work (see discussion on soviets above). You canā€™t have all workers unionize; the first group this hurts is the workers. Small and upcoming operations just canā€™t afford to pay more than their balance sheets demand, which is also why they can settle for less skilled work.

But in large, complex, established operations, where also more skilled workers as well as workers that know the operation well are needed, good faith and realistic negociations are good for both parties and unions make sense. Iā€™ve seen it happen.

Union of X type of workers is a recipe for ā€œjust build the factory somwhere elseā€ or truly sub-par education systems. But union of workers of X company, for the right scale of company, is good for all.

Which is also why communists know, at bottom, that only global communism can defeat capitalism.

Except it being your thread, you managed to get everything precisely backwards :open_mouth:

If you really believe that, you are crazy, beyond a doubt.

Iā€™ve never seen you not run from a debate.

Ask a question! Throw a topic up for debate. Iā€™ll reply and youā€™ll run.

And donā€™t say you already have, because Iā€™ve replied to anything and everything here worth replying to. Sil and I were even begging for a conservative opponent, but you were evidently hiding behind the bushes.

Now after the pages have been turned a few, suddenly you tiptoe out to beat your chest, well bring it on then homie! What you got besides empty braggadocio?

Hard to know if that second quote was also aimed at me. Your communication is vague, keeps the context unclear, sort of ā€˜poeticā€™, in the sense of expressive without much rigor. But in any case, I havenā€™t called to beat you up. I was responding to a point you made. Youā€™re vague description above of socialism matches a lot of capitalism, the latter hardly being some kind of will to power and is certainly a great many ganging ups, at least in its current forms. Capitalism and socialism both leave me dry, but people always want you to pick between whatver the current hallucination of what the ā€˜only two possibilitiesā€™ are. You called out dipper for antisemitism and prhaps even me also here. Show it. And sure KTS is anti-semitic and in many ways fascist with a love of ganging up.
And yet you and a few other people here have taken on the downside of Satyrā€™s style of communicating. That style need not be fascist, but if you want points responded to, make those points clear. And points come in arguments, points are not a bunch of flat assertions. N could do that because he was a genius and also wrote arguments. Without genius and arguments all you get is a bunch of ā€˜deepā€™ sounding proclamations.

FAcile. Not responding to a simple clear question about why in this case regulation is ok. Iā€™m not a socialist and if youā€™d read my posts critical of Serendipper youā€™d know that. But box things off in a simple way so you donā€™t need to respond. I didnā€™t jump to object to the idea about regulation. I jumped to see why in this case regulation was ok. Gving you an opportunity to explain. I did not do this rudely but out of curiosity.

Your ally Pedro didnā€™t have the courtesy to treat you with the respect you deserve and ask you himself why you seem to disagree on this meat issue. He just attacked others on what you both see as the other team. Weak, shit. Fake solidarity. Talk about socialist.

You took some kind of stand for regulation in a particular area. Great, i even complimented you for being willing to say something that might be or might be understood to be going against what your team believes. Of course people asked for clarification. IOW gave you an opportunity to explain.

Now you do the habituals poor shadow of KTS bullshit of labeling everyone, insulting them avoiding actually responding. And thatā€™s a poor shadow of KTS because while Satyr would do that kind of thing he also actually responded or attempted to to points made. Youā€™ve rejected the father, while taking on only the poor aspects without the good ones.

yes, you came to a philosophy for to express your views. A perfect description. To express. To throw out your ideas and somehow you are surprised that they might get criticized or questioned or that you might get asked for clarification.

[i]Hey, I came here to express.

I am not interested in interacting. Your role is to listen.[/i]

Like an only child archetype.

If Pedro had had the guts and real friendship integrity he would have asked our questions and we could have read and see how you viewed your OP in the wider context of your beliefs. But he was not a true friend here. He just lashed out at socialists rather than trying to find out why you two disagree on regulating meat.

I wonā€™t take responsibility for his failure or take seriously all the labels you want to throw out in this hissy fit.

Iā€™ll ignore you. See, how simple that is. Instead of playing victim. Ignore. Poor you, you just wanted to express. Well, express to your heartā€™s content. I wonā€™t bug you.

Regarding Brownshirt Serendipper

Someone should give me a heads-up when Brave Sir Robin begins gnawing my shoestrings as I donā€™t always have my focus so low.

Hey you guys wanna see why genius there thinks Iā€™m racist???

After the egotist brothers begged me to come to their hole-in-the-wall site to get mired in a conversation reminiscent of being stuck in an elevator, I posted a Brother Nathanael video to illustrate the beauty of the Colorado mountains, which was the subject of the conversation, and because that was the only media I could think of that contained the evidence. Yeah, that was it.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZg1akT24XQ[/youtube]

From that he concluded, without trial, that I give 2 shits about race. And nevermind that I spend half my time fighting Gloominary in defense of brownies against his racism and white supremacy. No, letā€™s not focus on that. Letā€™s pull everything out of context and make sweeping generalizations while jumping to conclusions.

Because the important thing is to demonize serendipper. Why? Because Brave Sir Robin canā€™t win on a level field and he knows it, which is why he runs and hides then tiptoes out to beat his chest while my back is turned. He does drivebys like the gangsta wannabe junkies he admires.

But I suppose by junkie-logic Iā€™m also a Confederate flag waving conservative because I post zerohedge links too, eh? Hey, Iā€™ve been reading zerohedge daily, every. single. day, since 2010. Every single day. Itā€™s the first site I check. Every. single. day! Well obviously then Iā€™m conservative. Who ever heard of keeping enmities close?

Call for violence? Yeah, if you consider your inner child getting its ass kicked, then yeah, letā€™s rock:

A junkie calls me a junkie!?!?

Heā€™s been dancinā€™ with
Mr. Brownstone
Heā€™s been knockinā€™
He wonā€™t leave me alone

Time to step into his world
Kick him in the mind
Iā€™ll be the only witness
To the nature of my crime

Complaininā€™ about the present
Blaminā€™ it on the past
Time to find his inner child
And kick its little ass!

Itā€™s like going to confession every time I hear you speak
Youā€™re makinā€™ the most of your losinā€™ streak
Some call it sick, but I call it weak

You drag it around like a ball and chain
You wallow in the guilt; you wallow in the pain
You wave it like a flag, you wear it like a crown
Got your mind in the gutter, bringinā€™ everybody down
Complain about the present and blame it on the past
Iā€™d like to find your inner child and kick its little ass!

Get over it
Get over it
All this bitchinā€™ and moaninā€™ and pitchinā€™ a fit
Get over it, get over it

You call yourself a musician and you canā€™t recognize classic tunes such as those? Probably spending too much time with the hood rats then.

The only time BN ever enters my mind is when you bring it up, so I know your weakness now: you open your mouth again and Iā€™ll stuff more beautiful Colorado scenery in it.

Either present an argument, defend it, or stfu with your constant whimpering!

a similar incident occured in nazi germany known as ā€˜the night of the long knivesā€™. what we are experiencing here at ILP may be called ā€˜the day of the short knivesā€™. on this day, a citizen of ILP, one jakob milikowski, has brought forth allegations that you, serendipper, are, in fact, a nazi agent. we shall henceforth observe procedural statutes 3.4b and 2.2a until this matter is resolved. you will retain full citizenship privileges with the exception of a curfew being temporarily placed upon you, until such time that the evidence is brought before the court of carleas our lord to be examined and a verdict reached.

For our God-king is over all things competent.

vocaroo.com/i/s1enlpmNhYZZ

jake getā€™s up around seven
he gets outta bed around nine
jake donā€™t worry about nothinā€™ no
because worryinā€™s a waste of jakeā€™s, time

The posts usually start around seven
we go on stage around nine
get on the bus about eleven
Sippinā€™ and a drinkinā€™ and feelinā€™ fine

jakeā€™s been dancinā€™ with
Mr. Brownstone
Heā€™s been knockinā€™
He wonā€™tā€™ leave jake alone
No, no, no
He wonā€™t leave jake alone

he used ta do a little but a little wouldnā€™t do
So the little got more and more
he just keeps tryinā€™ ta get a little better
Said a little better than before
he used ta do a little but a little wouldnā€™t do
So the little got more and more
he just keeps tryinā€™ ta get a little better
Said a little better than before

jakeā€™s been dancinā€™ with
Mr. Brownstone
Heā€™s been knockinā€™
He wonā€™t leave jake alone
No, no, no
He wonā€™t leave jake alone

@Serendipper

Iā€™m not a white supremacist.
My point was white civilization is the product of white peopleā€™s unique talents, temperament and not merely an accident of geography, not that our civilization is necessarily the best, or that other races donā€™t have unique talents of their own, they do.

there is no disputing that the caucasian sub-race - i mean that as a collection of phenotypes in a larger genotype - has been more ā€˜eventfulā€™, with the mongoloid following closely behind, than the negroid sub-race. but ā€˜eventfulā€™ doesnā€™t necessarily mean there was something exclusive to the caucasian genes that would have promised the same eventfulness under any historical conditions. the capacities and powers of this particular phenotype set owe their success to the environments and opportunities made available during the course of the evolution of the type. if we were to rewind the tape, and put phenotype set x over here rather than over there, the course of natural selection would be different. likewise if we put set y over there rather than here, the same would result. but we canā€™t rewind the tape, and we canā€™t ignore the glaring differences between the activities of the sub-races over the last thirteen thousand years or so. that being said, what would be the role of the ā€˜superiorā€™ sub-race in the world today? first, to accept with some modesty that they are simply a historical contingency and lose all that bullshit they believe about some manifest destiny. second, accept that globalism and multiculturalism is an inevitability and take up the task of leading the way into this inevitability. third, recognize that today there is no difference between natural and artificial selection, and that with enough effort, you could create ways to raise the intelligence levels and health of just about anybody. and finally, realize that there are no realistic options left but to assimilate everyone. this is to say, the spirit of ā€˜nationalismā€™ will lead ultimately to violent confrontation sometime in the near future unless that idea is completely banished from ideology. with all this in mind, the claim of ā€˜supremacyā€™, if it ever comes to be understood in its scientific terms rather than in the moral terms - which incidentally is the cause of all the indignation - would be something as obvious as it is now irrelevant in the 21rst century. okay, so whitey invented more shit, has less genetically related health problems and slightly longer life spans. but so what? what is whitey going to do with all those blessings? continue waving flags around like medieval brutes, or get to work using his talents to improve mankind?

seems to me that if whitey thought himself superior, heā€™d be honored to accept his greater responsibility for the world and rise to achieve the impossible if only because it is impossible: create a cornucopia in ethiopia, make it shady in haiti, till the land in sudan, import fauna to botswana, provide cola to angola, give works by dali to folks in mali, and book enya to tour kenya. have him do that, and whitey will impress me. you have my word.

Fucking groupies.

I am the meaning of these peoples lives. The internet is weird.

:laughing-rolling:

Atsa way ta roll up em sleeves! :handgestures-thumbup:

I canā€™t function as a disarmed citizen where when seconds count, the clueless cops are only minutes away, and who, upon arrival, arrest the citizen for retaliating while patting the criminal on the head. I canā€™t function where disruptors are allowed to thrive and the swine are bestowed refuge in preparation to trample pearls. I canā€™t do itā€¦ the constant walking on eggshells appeasing an authoritative fog obscuring the lines constituting transgression while creatively veiled insults are sanctioned and stumbling blocks to conservation are permitted. Either free me from these manacles to pommel those poltroons, purge the peccary, or Iā€™m finding greener pastures to sow my seeds.

Civil War

What weā€™ve got here is failure to communicate.
Some men you just canā€™t reachā€¦
So, you get what we had here last week,
which is the way he wants it!
Well, he gets it!
Nā€™ I donā€™t like it any more than you men.

Look at your young men fighting
Look at your women crying
Look at your young men dying
The way theyā€™ve always done before

Look at the hate weā€™re breeding
Look at the fear weā€™re feeding
Look at the lives weā€™re leading
The way weā€™ve always done before

My hands are tied!
The billions shift from side to side
And the wars go on with brainwashed pride
For the love of God and our human rights
And all these things are swept aside
By bloody hands time canā€™t deny
And are washed away by your genocide
And history hides the lies of our civil wars

You canā€™t trust freedom
When itā€™s not in your hands
When everybodyā€™s fightinā€™
For their promised land

Well are whites superior or are they not? And if theyā€™re not, then whatā€™s all that appealing to dna and why are we discussing Jared Diamondā€™s theory explaining why whites are superior?

I gotta be honest with youā€¦ reading that manifesto reminded me a lot of talking to you. Not saying youā€™d go to those lengths, not saying that at all, donā€™t get me wrong, but the whole time I kept thinking ā€œif only this guy had come to ILP so I could have talked some sense into himā€, but then I realized carleas would have probably banned him, relegating him back to his echo-chamber making him unreachable.

Whatā€™s so freakin special about white people? And why is that good? And who says they need eternal preservation? Valuable things do not last forever; eternal things are the most meaningless things possible. What makes value is scarcity and impermanence.