Dimethyltryptamine and psychedelics

Actually I think it’s you who’s flying an imaginary horse…
and stuck in an illusion.

Only Pandora can open that box. You don’t need drugs to realise the basic facts of life, and that’s fine if that’s as far as you care to take it. I just don’t think you should be lecturing those who took it further from behind that safe line of yours.

I’m not saying you need to be completed in life, I’m just glad I did that while I’m alive…

What’s this obsession with death? LSD can help you with that, by the way. I’m not so sure anyone wants to die - those who take their lives primarily just don’t want to live in the way they are living as far as I understand it, but again, LSD can change the way that you live it - and if you haven’t tried it then you don’t know what I’m talking about. That’s fine. It’s quite different from a video game, darling. Please… very different. Again, you don’t know.

I like being annoying when it’s on my terms? Ok…
I don’t like people preaching against things they don’t know about, even if I don’t like them - actually.

We’re literally a dream of ourselves, expanding ourselves micro and macro in fragmentation, when one does a psychedelic, it heightens ones current conscious perception of and in the dream, “reality”, it’s just evidence, proof, it is the literal to match the metaphorical. Evidence for the how, why, what, who, when, where. Isn’t it mainstream Science and Govt, asking for these answers in a literal sense but then illegalize them to maintain a basic, simplistic perception/perspective? To keep man on a redundant cycle of ignorance and true death of which is the death that most truly fear? A ceasing of self by only acting as a mere vessel for another’s ideas.

Another point as well, I nearly forgot. Dmt is already released in our brain, it’s how we may perceive what death and dreams are, a crucial molecule that’s apart of the receiver(body) for the subconscious’ use. Dmt is in all living things, apparently.

Good song, good messaging.

youtu.be/NFeUko-lQHg

It is released in a sensory deprived environment, which was used as punishment in order to break people down and drive them crazy.

. If you believe that what you see in your trips is a reflection of reality your perception has been compromised already. I also believe substance induced schizophrenia is a real thing.

In either case, you’re choosing to engage a fantasy world, instead of real one.

Self-mutilation as courage? Is this the best you can do in life? Well, bravo then!

This is what kind of “revelations” that drug use leads to. Crossing of the brain wires and detachment from reality.

youtube.com/channel/UC3Vzut … b6Q/videos

youtube.com/watch?v=ZVZVM801ULc

youtu.be/rm9coqlk8fY

Better

Detachment from reality? What is reality, Pandora? Are you saying a dream is less real than reality, when reality is also a dream, just in a collective state with implemented fragmented diversity? Disassociation from ego is hardly detachment of reality, that’s like saying an animal isn’t real because it has no ego, or a tree. Define, reality. Is reality only what is physically available? Then why have ideas or a subconscious? Why not have everything already available without the need of a subconscious or state of duality, why the need or ability to think and project into a physical world?

Schizophrenia and psychosis/extreme mental disorders, are available through psychedelic usage only by being already integrated into the users genetics, so basically, a psychedelic will only drive you to psychosis if you were heading there anyways, it merely speeds up the manifestation of disorder by pulling out genetics.

This “fantasy” world is already apart of a “real” one, whence cometh the substance, if not?

Sensory deprived environment is also used to meditate and reflect, which is more likely than to drive one crazy, if someone wants to drive one crazy they can do so through much easier methods, we see some examples in everyday society already, do we not? Are we not sensory deprived in a society focused on distraction? You can’t even see the stars from the city and you talk to me about Dmt being used to deprive senses, where is that study? I can show you the study they found dmt in rat brains in their pineal glands where melatonin and serotonin are secreted. You think this is all coincidental or?

I have doing loads of research on this subject but have never taken any related drugs.
I have experienced DMT-liked experiences [I believe very mild ones] from various meditations and breathing techniques.

From what you have experienced would you agree with my [& others] hypothesis,
most of the founders of religions and spirituality, notable theistic ones, would [or may] have similar experiences of being God or God was speaking to them where they have chanced upon such God related experiences from the following;

-ingestion of hallucinogens [accidentally or deliberately]
-suffering from temporal epilepsy
-tumor around the temporal area
-undue stress
-schizo and the likes
-others

Note this recent NGEO video;

Medical Reason for Visions? | The Story of God
youtube.com/watch?v=NZUEy0DkXAo
This guy has a tumor [shown in MRIs] around his temporal lobe that triggered all sorts of god related and psychedelic experiences.

It seems you are attempting at chalking it up to mental illness or solely due to the brain, which isn’t the case. The brain doesn’t manifest consciousness, consciousness manifests into the brain, otherwise, how would we have very much /aware/ plants and animals, some who have no brains or ego, they are close to nature, innocent aspects of the subconscious, children as well, why are children innocent you may ask? Because they have no ego, they’re purely manifested as the subconscious until a certain age, when the brain develops to grant them ego and full consciousness. This shows proof of what I state, observable to any human who wishes to see the connections. Imagination, dreams, love, etc. All things a child can feel without having fully developed, right? Know why? Because the unconscious mind is what brings this all about, not the other way around. It’s evolution. Chaos and order, subconscious and conscious, do you see how we are on the third step (physically manifested) trying to get to the 4th? Problem is, we have been on repeat on this 3rd step for a very, very long time and Nature is tired of repetition. Trial and error, so pick what you wish to be and better choose quick before it picks for you because it often chooses error and wipes the earth clean or tries, has it not before?

The brain is merely a tool granted in our body by evolution and subconscious/nature, it breaks down chemicals to function in a physical and chemically stabled world, without a body we couldn’t exist physically, right? But consciousness does, to say it doesn’t is to say nature exists because of man, physical phenomena and brains.

A perfectly normal person can take a psychedelic and return to being perfectly normal, people abuse them all the time. You think I have talked with “god” due to a drug? I am it, I can talk to myself all day and all night without any drugs involved other than the ones in my brain already. When I say I talk to “god” I mean I am literally talking to myself, a self without any bias, like a psychologist. Does that make sense? Considering we are both conscious and subconscious, I have already stated, it is communication between the two and the subconscious criticizes the ego if it has done anything wrong or about where it needs improvement “bad trip, ego death”.

Mental illness is created by this society and it’s ignorant poisoning of people using toxic minerals and metals along with psychological manipulation/entrapment, a drug that expands perception and binds to serotonin/melatonin receptors does not induce mental illness other than “hppd”, unless one already has a mental illness disorder embedded in their genes previously due to the very same poisoning from society, they speed up or heighten the risk of it manifesting. Traumas and stress carry on through genes, make sense? One can breed illness out, just like with a plant, except humanity is foolish and breeds idiocy and issues instead, then they try to fix the issue and create a whole other branch of issues. It’s about breaking the cycle, not continuing it.

Those “religious experiences” and theistic approaches are merely man trying to explain and paint a picture of psyche, don’t get confused by the terminology as being something external to you, it is you, your subconscious/unconscious self of which you can talk to anytime.

As I said, the drugs, all they do is paint an image, it’s the evidence so a man won’t go insane due to thought in metaphorical context. It’s the physical, literal evidence for the mind to digest and correlate to the metaphorical. They help speed evolution by heightening and expanding perception along with forced criticism. Psychedelics are subconscious/nature’s mirror.

The guy in that video does not do the experience justice by his naive explanation. Walls aren’t conscious, just because things are “alive” or all vibrating, doesn’t mean they are conscious and have ego or a state of duality in the mind, it is merely a part of the vibrating dream that is the subconscious mind. A stone vibrates and appears alive, it doesn’t mean it’s conscious. Don’t let that video misconstrue the concept and thought/evidence.

Here’s how it began, let me try and paint a simplistic image for you. Every one of us, everything here, is a possibility to be explored, just like we can explore the possibilities ourself, we are both a possibility and explorer of possibilities. Just as an ice cream cone is a possibility to us, we are a possibility to it. Micro to macro.

It began as (subconscious)chaos > (conscious)order > (body with the duality embedded) existence
Maybe conscious is chaos and subconscious is order, as long as both exist as they do to create contrast. Contrast is everything, literally and metaphorically. I don’t think so though because chaos was the beginning and consciousness/order spawned in attempt at making sense of that chaos, which developed order, then that state or duality evolved into existence which is the third stage of it’s evolution and it does not end here. It may for us humanity and current life but not for it, it will start over and for conscious life that restart will be within the blink of an eye. Since time cannot be perceived in death(ceasing of consciousness/perception and it’s ability to interact with and in a present moment)

In this existence it goes like this,

Unconscious/Subconscious > physical manifestation > consciousness(ego) this “reality” is just one giant collective lucid dream with rules, get it? Why I had stated “life is the trip” the drugs are just the evidence.

(Subconscious/nature) > body < (consciousness/ego)
Body and brain are merely the receiver of said duality, the “trinity” spirit, body, mind.

That video also states it as a “religious” experience when it isn’t, it’s a spiritual one. Know the difference. Religion is a man made system, spirituality is self and naturally innate/activated. People expect these mainstream people to explain things like they have credibility from their fame, propaganda, why not interview me hm, I dedicate to this culture and study it, I’ll explain the experience not, naively. They can’t even understand the language they use let alone describe what is, properly.

  1. Sensory deprivation causes DMT release
  2. Sensory deprivation is used as punishment because it causes people to break down and be driven crazy
  3. Therefore DMT can be associated with people breaking down and being driven crazy?

Is that your argument? This is a clear association fallacy: P → Q, P → R ∴ Q → R. No: “Water quenches thirst, water drowns people, therefore quenching thirst drowns people”.

What is it that you think happens when you trip? You see pink elephants and flying pigs out of nowhere?

What actually happens is that you’re experiencing the exact same world, but in different ways that you never even considered before. It’s extremely powerful and humbling to have your normal interpretation of reality completely swept off its feet and transformed - spatially, temporally, sensorially… you can even play with some of the basic settings, like proportions, light and dimmness, the order of events, what you perceive a piece of sensory information as, all with the power of your mind. Some settings are turned way up, like sense of smell - it’s beautiful.

Try taking things for granted, and being as dismissive and prejudiced as you’re being after a trip… ha.

You can believe schizophrenia is induced by such substances all you like, and it still wouldn’t be true. At best you might find that people who are prone to such mental conditions are more attracted by psychedelic drugs, but things like schizophrenia have a huge genetic component and I seem to remember they tend to be set off to occur in your twenties from all the way back from in the womb. I’m sure it’s possible to ingest certain poisonous mushrooms that have hallucinagenic effects and damage your mind, but that’s not the same. Something like LSD is actually more likely to be a cure for schizophrenia than a cause - and it’s helped many terminally ill people cope with their fear of death. The potential uses of drugs like LSD are actually really promising, but it’s people like you who swallow all the fear and propaganda that keep the laws in place that prevent studies from being done that could really help people. It’s genuinelly tragic.

Ingesting food is not self-mutilation. Ingesting paracetamol is not self-mutilation. Ingesting LSD is not self-mutilation.

What… you think it’s a poison? Perhaps you think alcohol and cigarettes are more acceptable - at least for other people if not yourself.

“Crossing of the brain wires” :laughing: - now that understanding of the brain is detached from reality :laughing:

when you have to ask this question, you’re already putting yourself in a compromised position, a position of self-doubt, or doubt of your own basic senses. If anything can be real, then you have really nothing to go on, except perhaps your own biased expectations. If one reality is just as good as another why not pick the one that is more to your personal liking?

. See what I’m saying? You’re already there, your distinctions are already blurring. Going one way is no different to you then going any another way. Why don’t we make reality a dream, or a computer simulation, or a divine test, or hell, etc.? You then have nothing to go on.

.
And you need psychadelics to detach from your ego? Also note that the natural state of man is egotistical, and it is even so with so called altruistic intentions.

. Yes, I’m a materialist. I believe the subconscious brain function evolved (changed) to allow to facilitate the management and filtering of information. The subconscious, if you have noticed, is really undiscriminating. It does not understand negatives, for example, nor does it have a sense of time. All info is pretty much equal to it. It can hold a lot of (useless) info, granted, but it does not have an intelligence of its own. It has to be directed. Brainwashing utilizes this weakness. Also, it cannot tell you anything externally new because it’s not an outside source. It may tell you already missed information, but it does not determine what is relevant.

. This notion is being contested (look into James Kent- I maypost a link later).

scrambling your brain is real too, it doesn’t mean it’s a good thing. You may see spirits in your trips and it doesn’t mean that they are real, it only means your brain is malfunctioning.

. Sensory deprivation is the classic torture method. It’s simple and does not leave any physical marks. It has been used by CIA for many years.

I am saying that dmt is released in sensory deprived environment, an environment which also causes one to lose their sense of identity and hallucinate.
With societal problems, you seem to be implying that taking psychedelic drugs is superior to societal indoctrination, but you do not have any control over yourself while intoxicated (poisoned, really) by hallucinogens because this method directly impairs your brain. Can you become sober at will while tripping; can you just turn it off? You can’t.
If you want to see the stars, get outside the city lights. Nobody’s chemically or physically incapacitating you.

Psychadelic Information Theory, by James Kent.

youtube.com/watch?v=aHfCeM_ffjU

Pandora

“when you have to ask this question, you’re already putting yourself in a compromised position, a position of self-doubt, or doubt of your own basic senses. If anything can be real, then you have really nothing to go on, except perhaps your own biased expectations. If one reality is just as good as another why not pick the one that is more to your personal liking?”

Oh, that question wasn’t in the context of which you thought it was. I understand what reality is, I was testing to see if you do, I don’t doubt my basic senses I have been saying the same thing before I ever tried a psychedelic, just in less complex terminology and from a point where I lacked the language, understanding and imagery to fully express it to its full extent, go back to my posts in 2014 and you will see for yourself. Because it doesn’t work in that way, it’s a collective effort and understanding, if a single bee cannot build a hive on its own, does a hive truly not exist due to it not being in “reality”? Oh but there are tons of bees and tons of hives in our reality, chaotic ones, hornets more like. “Reality” is merely nature, the natural laws that govern this physical dimension, what we make out of this physical dimension to the extent of its universal laws is up to us. I alone can’t build space ships to fly to Mars because i alone do not have all of the skills necessary to do such, it is impossible for a one individual. It’s collective effort. I can’t believe that you are thinking in such a literal only type, or “objective”, when it is very blatant that reality is based off of perception. How do you describe blue to me?

I can’t simply pick a reality I want and magically appear in it, we have to evolve and work collectively to build it, know the hard part of that? Helping others understand your perception. Being physical is merely a step of evolution, explain to me since the brain creates consciousness, how does a tree feel pain?

“See what I’m saying? You’re already there, your distinctions are already blurring. Going one way is no different to you then going any another way. Why don’t we make reality a dream, or a computer simulation, or a divine test, or hell, etc.? You then have nothing to go on.”

I’m in reality, watching a show on TV unfortunately, instead of exploring space and building things that matter or that enhance us, trying to show you the depths of perception and how illusive “reality” really can be, which you seem to believe it to be a materialistic manifestation into consciousness instead of consciousness evolving into materialism.

It is a dream and we can’t make it what I or you want because other people lack understanding of what is, they don’t understand themself and the power of their mind, they don’t understand how environment works, they don’t understand how to think and they don’t understand reactions of variables to the full extent. If we were all aligned in perception and understanding what is and what can be, do you deny that we could accomplish anything within the boundaries of universal laws?

Do you deny evolution stems from collective diversity and diverse perception and an exchanging of ideas that lead to reactions through trial and error?

“And you need psychadelics to detach from your ego? Also note that the natural state of man is egotistical, and it is even so with so called altruistic intentions.”

I don’t need psychedelics to detach from my ego but it’s an easy way of showing that one /can/ detach from it and that the subconscious is ultimately dominant since it is eternal, it is reality, the vibration. The natural state of man is that of the subconscious, before a child is shaped to the extent of which doesn’t involve genetics. Genetics are the advantages or disadvantages one may face while being physical and conscious, environment shapes personality more so. Genetics are mere preservation of information, information contaminated by previous environment, see the loop? Environment shapes individual consciousness (ego), subconsciousness is both nothing and everything, chaos or order, it’s like a piece of clay, full of possibilities, a child is purely the subconscious until it becomes aware and indoctrinated by environment, it depends upon the environment of which shapes one and has shaped their ancestors before them that determines which side of the coin one becomes manifested as and these are where “archetypes” or generalized traits/aspects of multiple personalities come from… One may also see the loop and decide to break it and avoid contribution to it and choose which archetype they wish to manifest as by choosing it’s environment, we eventually will breed our primitive instincts that no longer serve us out of existence, if, collectively achieving more understanding of these concepts and an encouraged, hastier evolution.

“Yes, I’m a materialist. I believe the subconscious brain function evolved (changed) to allow to facilitate the management and filtering of information. The subconscious, if you have noticed, is really undiscriminating. It does not understand negatives, for example, nor does it have a sense of time. All info is pretty much equal to it. It can hold a lot of (useless) info, granted, but it does not have an intelligence of its own. It has to be directed. Brainwashing utilizes this weakness. Also, it cannot tell you anything externally new because it’s not an outside source. It may tell you already missed information, but it does not determine what is relevant.”

No information is useless information in the subconscious due to how correlation and imagery works, the brain correlates between unique ego/consciousness and subconsciousness. Subconsciousness does seem to have intelligence of its own though, what do you think nature is, environment, ideas come to us from the subconsciousness, dreams may provide insightful warnings? Do these things not exist to you? Intuition?

You have taken on an objective only style of thinking when the mind isn’t objective, only physical reality is, to the extent of universal laws. We are not just one or the other, we’re both, objective and subjective. The fact is, I can dream and manifest it, that’s reality, reality is micro to macro, so what’s that say about us? We’re a manifested dream, we’re mere possibilities of it, subconsciousness, nothing must be nothing so that everything has a possibility to be everything, do you understand that? It’s contrast, balance, that’s what existence is based off of, balance between chaos and order and it evolves itself just like we do because we are it evolving collectively.

“scrambling your brain is real too, it doesn’t mean it’s a good thing. You may see spirits in your trips and it doesn’t mean that they are real, it only means your brain is malfunctioning.”

Psychedelics don’t work the way you think they do. What you feel or what environment you are in is what manifests in the trip, your thoughts become your reality. If I start thinking of helicopters coming for me on lsd I will start seeing bright lights in the sky as if it were happening, reality is what you perceive it to be. You don’t just “see spirits”, you merely explore the subconsciousness in a conscious sense by manifesting the subconscious into reality temporarily, like creating a temporary coexistence of dream in conscious/reality to experience.

"Sensory deprivation is the classic torture method. It’s simple and does not leave any physical marks. It has been used by CIA for many years. "

Not a torture method, it’s a method of brainwashing by killing ones already temporary ego/consciousness so it may be reshaped. By forcing them into an environment of nothingness consistently until they become nothing, to be shaped as the CIA pleases. It’s a method of control and brainwash, not necessarily “torture” because it could also be used for a good purpose.

“am saying that dmt is released in sensory deprived environment, an environment which also causes one to lose their sense of identity and hallucinate.
With societal problems, you seem to be implying that taking psychedelic drugs is superior to societal indoctrination, but you do not have any control over yourself while intoxicated (poisoned, really) by hallucinogens because this method directly impairs your brain. Can you become sober at will while tripping; can you just turn it off? You can’t.
If you want to see the stars, get outside the city lights. Nobody’s chemically or physically incapacitating you.”

Yes, you can become sober at will on a psychedelic, by taking a benzo and calming the trip down. Taking psychedelic with understanding of what they are and with intentions to understand or see the evidence of what I say if wanting to actually understand, yes, I do believe it to be better than societal indoctrination, considering the model I see in my head is much more liberating and just than what is currently available. I have complete control over myself while tripping on lsd or mushrooms, I can even play smash bros ultimate on wii switch while watching Mario wink at me and jump off the screen. It isn’t poison, it’s a molecule similar to serotonin, like serotonin in hulk form… Yet you think that this has nothing to do with heightening perception realistically by forming new neural pathways by binding to receptors… Mkay.

I want to see the stars… But society makes it harder than necessary to do so by this thing called, money and enslavement through social status. So much for “reality”.

James Kent, I looked him up and he doesn’t seem like a strong source of evidence to prove psychedelics induce mental disorders without genetics being directly involved compared to the studies already done regarding the issue which show otherwise. It almost seemed as if he were advocating psychedelics of perhaps doesnt understand what is and what could be.

Not that.

I believe the brain is central but the whole experiences is related to the whole body and the inherent DNA [nature] plus experiences [nurture].

ALL humans has the potential for psychedelic experiences as embedded within the DNA, the brain and body.
This potential for psychedelic can be triggered by various means, i.e. drugs, hallucinogens, stress, mental illness and others elements & activity that activate the algorithm to generate the psychedelic experiences.

Humans had evolved from one cell living things since 3 billion years ago and this whole program is embedded in the human DNA which set up the potential for psychedelic experiences.

However humans has developed a highly evolved ego that suppresses the potential for psychedelic experience which is why humans has to transcend the ego and trigger the relevant buttons to generate psychedelic experiences.

I would say ‘consciousness’ [human or otherwise] is also granted by evolution.

Note there are counter argument by Kant who stated ‘nature’ is spontaneously co-created by humans. This is very counter-intuitive but there is a philosophical argument for it.

In the past some people may have chanced upon to experience such psychedelic experiences due to various triggers, example mental illnesses, brain damage, hallucinogens, mushrooms, etc.

Whether is natural or created by society, the fact is a certain % of human suffer from mental illnesses.
Some of these mental patients experienced God related experiences.
2000+ or lesser years ago, there were no psychiatric and scientists to explain their experiences, thus it is likely these people could claim to be the chosen ones by a God, thus founded a religion.
Do you think this is possible?
Note, people like Moses, Jesus, Paul of Damascus, Mohammed were associated with such experiences and hearing sounds.

I believe DNA wise, ALL humans has evolved with the potential for psychedelic experiences which can be released by various triggers, i.e. drugs, stress, mental illness, brain damage, electronic magnetic waves triggers, etc.
All these experiences can be abused and also has positive contributions.

My hypothesis is;
The trigger of the psychedelic experiences in SOME via various triggers in the past has led to these people claiming to be agent of God and has founded various religions.
You agree? or disagree?

The point is those who deliberately take drug trips and experience God related experience would not likely claim to be agents of God. Rather it is those who have had such sudden experiences of God related consciousness would like claim they were chosen by God be be God’s agent, e.g. Moses hearing sound from the burning bushes, Jesus hearing from God, Muhammad hearing from Allah to listen, Paul blasted with an experience on the road to Damascus, etc.

"Not that.

I believe the brain is central but the whole experiences is related to the whole body and the inherent DNA [nature] plus experiences [nurture].

ALL humans has the potential for psychedelic experiences as embedded within the DNA, the brain and body.
This potential for psychedelic can be triggered by various means, i.e. drugs, hallucinogens, stress, mental illness and others elements & activity that activate the algorithm to generate the psychedelic experiences."

The brain is central in a sense, think a TV set or hardware, plugged into the wall it has power like we are plugged into reality(consciousness), we have power here, now cable or wifi, it receives and projects onto the screen, an image, think of the subconscious, now think of the remote to the TV, our ability to make choices and choose what we project. The subconscious feeds our consciousness through imagery and being between two states we can correlate this imagery to express our spiritual or “psychedelic” experiencing through language or also use imagery and just project it, we get ideas from the subconscious, it’s like a cookie jar of information, symbols, etc and once one becomes conscious of such, they can willfully search for answers to specific questions and attempt correlating or bringing the answer to the surface using self. Our brain is complex because it is needed to be complex and it is /still/ evolving or devolving, it all depends upon what environment you choose and which archetype you want to try and project, attitude and consistency. A lot of people are devolving because they are the embodiment of death, we are unique to be unique for the sake of evolution, yet they all try and be like each other and don’t let themselves out to live and express, that’s death in a sense, a ceasing to experience as self.

You don’t -have- to use psychedelics or study them to achieve these states of mind or thoughts/conclusions, they just are a mirror to show evidence. Just like I believe my eyes are the color they are but if I look in a glass mirror or reflection, I can understand fully and know for sure that they are, in both literal and metaphorical contexts. If one is spiritual one can achieve answers without any drugs but the drugs may be used as a short cut and I believe it’s possible they have already had a significant effect/affect on our evolutionary path to bringing us to this point, both physically and mentally(perception), the proof is in ancient texts through symbolism and their language, which is not easy to understand. One can be spiritual without psychedelics, but one who is not spiritual at all may become such through psychedelic experiencing without seeking to be such, it is due to its profound nature.

"Humans had evolved from one cell living things since 3 billion years ago and this whole program is embedded in the human DNA which set up the potential for psychedelic experiences.

However humans has developed a highly evolved ego that suppresses the potential for psychedelic experience which is why humans has to transcend the ego and trigger the relevant buttons to generate psychedelic experiences."

I view what you’re talking about as spirituality if it’s outside of using a hallucinogenic or study of psychedelic culture itself, to get answers from the self you must first, ask questions to understand the answers, not simply to know them quickly because often the messages are missed or misinterpreted and the drugs may be abused.

The ego is developed to be how it is due to a specific environment, not solely the ego alone. If we taught children how to think and not what to think and acted as guides instead of authority figures of indoctrination, we would have a lot more people talking about what I am saying and living for self, we would be choosing to evolve instead of devolve to suicide, we are attempting at detaching from nature by use of the ego and an invented environment of comfort, when we devolve, we will die from trying to do such because nature is the ruler here and it will swat us like we do a mosquito. It’s like a 3 year old child trying to run away from its parents. What do you think happens the worst or the best?

We don’t need solutions or “fixes” we need states of mind, this state of mind can be applied to solve any issue rather than us wasting time showing one solution or one way methods that ultimately don’t work, a solution without understanding the issue is not a solution but instead a whole new issue. We have dug ourselves into a cycle of creating more issues by trying to solve one due to a lack of understanding of the issues roots. Showing what to think is less potent than a state of mind/how to think, this is the state of “enlightenment” that is so talked about. It isn’t just one piece of knowledge and you’re “enlightened”, it is a comprehension, a way of dissecting information, a state of mind/thinking and it takes training to arrive there as it would to become a black belt in jiu jitsu, some have advantage and some have disadvantage, that’s dependent on environment.

Breaking that cycle of repetitively breeding willful ignorance is where we evolve and make progress, we create unnecessary work for ourself due to a misshaping of next generations/children’s egos, the proof? Society is it now, notice how everyone is trying to save something? How about saving and establishing yourself first, a seed with no roots will never be a tree just like a human with no understanding or proper state of mind will never properly/permanently solve issues.

It’s a repetitive cycle and nature is tired, the collective urgency and my being here at all and talking about this is evidence, along with the bright minds in the past that were gifts to man but suffered greatly… I’m no one superior to anyone or thing who has ever walked or ever will walk this earth, we all live off of shit and best be humble about it.

However, it may seem that way to an average common Joe or the mass populace but that is because he doesn’t want to be up, he wants to be down and I would rather be up and so he would associate me with his own discomfort and insecurity through projection of me claiming or attempting to be “superior” when in reality he is creating the weakness in himself. To be a God, one must accept the obligations, the weight and the responsibility in being it, people don’t want responsibility of self let alone to be an embodiment of “god”, they want their hands held and to be comfortable, there is no new knowledge in comfort and I am trapped in a society of comfort when we should be seeking more to evolve ourself before we are wiped out.

“Jesus” said he’d be back, get it? He understood environment and how nature works and how an environment of struggle will always be created to breed the idea of him and what he stands for, back here, he was merely an idea and is immortal, he’s back already and pissed that the message was missed/misinterpreted. “Jesus” is like batman, an immortal archetype and a state of mind to be achieved, an understanding, anyone who wishes to put in the effort, may be it and possibly even better than the past idea due to unique expression.

"would say ‘consciousness’ [human or otherwise] is also granted by evolution.

Note there are counter argument by Kant who stated ‘nature’ is spontaneously co-created by humans. This is very counter-intuitive but there is a philosophical argument for it."

Consciousness manifests through our evolution, yes, that’s obvious as a child grows, it evolves consciousness. Subconscious is the root though, the eternal child, the “god”.

Nature is Co-created by humans, that’s undeniable, we are mere branches of it and we expand it via experiencing, this doesn’t mean if we, humanity, cease to exist that nature will. Fossils show otherwise but the point is to grow so if anything, humanity would be wiped for something else to take our place and I hope thy choose to evolve, like what supposedly happened to the dinosaurs. "Life goes on within you and without you "
Cut off a tree branch, the tree may still stand along with keeping it’s roots established, the branch is what goes away, that’s consciousness(ego) and subconsciousness.

Nature/subconscious is here to stay, ego/humanity may not be, that’s up to us and our choice on what we wish to do in regards to evolution/devolution. It’s comfort or struggle, pick one but they are not as they seem, only for the present moment. You pick struggle? Then you will grow and the contrast will show in the future, strength. It all boils down to contrast, chaos and order.

“In the past some people may have chanced upon to experience such psychedelic experiences due to various triggers, example mental illnesses, brain damage, hallucinogens, mushrooms, etc.”

Yes they have and some understood/understand and some don’t, it depends upon ones Intent while experiencing. Seek answers for the sake of understanding and they will appear to one so they may.

“Whether is natural or created by society, the fact is a certain % of human suffer from mental illnesses.
Some of these mental patients experienced God related experiences.
2000+ or lesser years ago, there were no psychiatric and scientists to explain their experiences, thus it is likely these people could claim to be the chosen ones by a God, thus founded a religion.
Do you think this is possible?
Note, people like Moses, Jesus, Paul of Damascus, Mohammed were associated with such experiences and hearing sounds.”

Religion is weaponized spirituality, to keep people bred ignorant and passive to have a society such as this one, so groups of individuals that are rich can be at the top and control the foundation of where we go, collectivel. Spirituality I believe could be manifested naturally through environment, so sure a mental “illness” could change ones perception and bring about a certain state of mind or being but one has to define mental illness more definitively, what is “normal”? Is staying in a standardized repetitive program/society, normal when reality is anything but normal? See how that’s bred passivity and ignorance?

“The trigger of the psychedelic experiences in SOME via various triggers in the past has led to these people claiming to be agent of God and has founded various religions.
You agree? or disagree?”

Well the Buddha says not to use drugs at all, so how would that be founded on psychedelic experience? I disagree because you are conflating spirituality with psychedelic culture and also conflating taking a drug with culture. One can have the culture and understanding without the drug, that’s what spirituality is, the drug is merely the proof for your own eyes.
It could have but I don’t think religion came from it or spirituality. Spirituality is natural. I do believe drugs evolved us but religion is made by man and is not evolution, it’s devolution. Spirituality and psychedelic culture is evolution, spirituality being natural and psychedelic culture an attempt at speeding up evolution by change of perception or new idea to project/manifest into reality. It’s a tool to use to communicate between conscious and subconscious self to correlate new ideas through a limited objective brain, do you understand?

“The point is those who deliberately take drug trips and experience God related experience would not likely claim to be agents of God. Rather it is those who have had such sudden experiences of God related consciousness would like claim they were chosen by God be be God’s agent, e.g. Moses hearing sound from the burning bushes, Jesus hearing from God, Muhammad hearing from Allah to listen, Paul blasted with an experience on the road to Damascus, etc.”

It’s an understanding of being “god”, not merely a claim to be made. It is knowing without understanding but knowing is the first step to the path, seeking to understand is the second. It’s like me trying to describe blue to you. You have to experience it to see the proof of it, do some more research. We are all drugs, some drugs help us, some drugs don’t help us, psychedelics are merely mirrors.

. You’re jumbling the signals and stimulations in your brain. If a human brain is like an intricate clockwork, that took evolution millions of years to design, why do you want to mess with it? This is like saying that a heathy brain is not good enough for you.

. I think you’re the one taking things for granted here with drug use. I don’t need to poke my eyes out to appreciate my sense of vision.

If you’ve listened to what James Kent was saying, you’d see correlations between visions produced by psychedelics and during near death experiences. The brain reacts to hallucinogens as if it were dying (same reaction).

I believe that it is inevitable that some form of psychosis will be formed after prolonged use of psychedelics. One can’t have experiences that feel “more real than real” and then keep coming back to reality and just forget about it, especially if one keeps reinforcing these experiences (neuron formations).
One will downplay the fact that these supra-real experiences were caused by drugs, which is a very important fact, and then go down the rabbit hole of justifying it as something more than it really is. This is what eventually happened to Terrance McKenna. It is a swamp land and will eventually drag one in completely. How does one escape a drug induced “more real than real” experience?

Pandora,

"You’re jumbling the signals and stimulations in your brain. If a human brain is like an intricate clockwork, that took evolution millions of years to design, why do you want to mess with it? This is like saying that a heathy brain is not good enough for you. "

I don’t mean to answer for Sil but I just want to make a few things clear, just some a few misconceptions.

It took a long time to evolve the brain yes, that is undoubtedly and I believe drugs have played a huge role in such evolution, it is obvious enough that it did, considering our receptors/body secretes them.

No, you aren’t correctly comprehending what we are saying or at least what I am saying, we can understand without the drugs, that isn’t the point, but how can we know for sure that our psychology and studies on mankinds psyche are accurate? The literal, objective proof is there, in nature in the form of drugs, which our bodies so happen to consist of. Death is an illusion, what death truly is, is the ceasing of your unique ego in the present moment and it’s ability to interact/express with and in it. We recycle due to the law of conservation, if one has children that is preservation of genetics and also one is remembered as an idea, which /can/ be misconstrued and misleading. Ideas are immortal and that’s all we are, collections of ideas. My brain is just fine, I took psychedelics for the colors and to merely experience them, to expand my perception and mind. Part of evolving is understanding you can choose your own evolutionary path, hence, psychedelics are a mere tool in doing such.

“. I think you’re the one taking things for granted here with drug use. I don’t need to poke my eyes out to appreciate my sense of vision”

That’s the issue, Pandora, you think your eyes are fully open and they aren’t, psychedelics merely show you what reality is, what we cannot consciously always see due to our perception being limited, why is it limited you may ask? Because of man kinds choice to remain in a redundant, mundane environment of which crafts more basicness and non-originality. It Isn’t “more real than real”, it simply is, it enhances perception so one may fully glimpse the bigger picture, not necessary as I said but it -is- the literal evidence of which science is looking for. Context matters.

"If you’ve listened to what James Kent was saying, you’d see correlations between visions produced by psychedelics and during near death experiences. The brain reacts to hallucinogens as if it were dying (same reaction). "

But that is a good thing if your entire life has been trauma and you’re seeking to change yourself from within so you may change things that are outside of in, projection of ideas into reality. “Death of ego by detachment of it to understand you get to choose what your ego represents.”

“Death” as I described it above, is what is, a complete ceasing of existence as thought of in a literal only sense of thinking, not so much, we recycle (law of conservation) back as something else unique because we never stop experiencing as the subconsciousness. Only an ego “dies” and it depends on your definition of what death is.

“I believe that it is inevitable that some form of psychosis will be formed after prolonged use of psychedelics. One can’t have experiences that feel “more real than real” and then keep coming back to reality and just forget about it, especially if one keeps reinforcing these experiences (neuron formations).
One will downplay the fact that these supra-real experiences were caused by drugs, which is a very important fact, and then go down the rabbit hole of justifying it as something more than it really is. This is what eventually happened to Terrance McKenna. It is a swamp land and will eventually drag one in completely. How does one escape a drug induced “more real than real” experience?”

It doesn’t feel “more real” it just feels like it is what it is, until it is what you make it. Everything is caused by drugs man, get a grip on reality. Reality is -literally- a collection of chemical reactions. Literally… And you’re arguing that certain drugs are bad that expand perception and creativity which is MUCH needed today but agree with societies ideas of drug’s? That cause severe basicness in thoughts and manifestation of self, a delay in our collective evolution.

Terence didn’t get lost in psychedelics, he was merely trying to express the imagery from the subconscious, consciously. Which I am not sure you understand what I mean because you don’t have the experience, like I said. I can’t describe blue to you, if you want full fledged literal evidence, it’s sitting in front of you, just be cautious of your genetics.

The brain is not some kind of fragile antique - you’re exactly right that it took millions of years of evolution to make it as adaptive as it is, it’s miracle enough that it’s possible to kill it.

Its workings change and are messed with and jumbled as part of a normal natural life, even the healthiest of lives. Many trials and tribulations, produced through natural selection the best brains that can deal with even unnecessary or unlikely stimuli - in fact it’s even theorised that man’s progression this far was enabled by the ingestion of psychotropics, even that language itself became possible as a result of them. I don’t know how reliable that theory is, but it’s known at least that hallucinogenic experiences were something of a right of passage in many cultures - the effects revered enough to be elevated to ceremonious usage. What is this false dichotomy between the healthy brain and the use of “drugs”?

Again you’re arguing from a position of ignorance - how do you feel when men lecture you on how it is to be a woman? You would prefer they ask you first before forming an opinion, no?

Don’t poke out your eyes, appreciate what you have. Would you like to know what having a third eye is like? All that extra insight that it may or may not give to you… better not stray from the straight and narrow though, the safe and the known. Why travel when you can live in the same town all your life? You appreciate life just fine in that same old home.

Again, the P → Q, P → R ∴ Q → R fallacy. You should analyse what you are saying to prevent making the same mistake over and over.

Did you know that it’s possible to drink too much water?

Better stay on the safe side and never drink it.

Considering you’re a psychedelic drug user, I’m not even sure what that means.

not sure where you’re going with this.

yes, we are restricted by our biology, but it’s the same biology that has allowed us to survive this song. Scrambling it with drugs will not improve on it.

trees react to stimulus, they do not feel pain. And we do not stop being physical because everything is still based on it. The physical may evolve to become more complex or compatmentalized (or specialized) for efficiency’s sake. But that also makes it more vulnerable to corruptions. The human body is quite an intricate mechanism. It has some back up redundancies but if one found a way to bypass them (as with specific drugs) then the whole system may be compromised.

Oh boy.

Aligned by all of us doing drugs?

Natural selection drives evolution, and it has formed our bodies and sense organs to function as they do now. If you want to take it into your own hands and do hallucinogens (which our body perceives as poison) you may now do so, but I believe this move is an error. Most drug users, even in our relatively comfortable modern worlds do not end well (I’m not even speaking about survival of drug users in the wild).

the subconscious is not eternal, it is undifferentiated and unintelligent. When you deal with subconscious the GIGO rule applies: it will give you what you want, it will not give you “reality”.

the formation of ego is like the hardening of the skull in a growing child, or hardening of spikes in a baby porcupine, it is something that one is born with. The human ego develops naturally at about 3 years, it is not an indoctrination process.

. The laws of nature and survival have not changed. To breed instincts out will mean extinction.

Built in instincts, yes. But you’re romanticising subconscious too much, I think. Like I said, it cannot give you all the answers, at best it can give you want you really want, it can give you a confirmation (which could be a lie), hense GIGO. It is not an independent or intelligent entity.

. I did not claim to be wholly objective, only conservative.

that sounds like a drug induced perception.

You ignore the error element. Reality perceived on drugs is not the same as reality perceived while sober. If you’re saying it is while already sober then I would have to say that you’re merging the two and already knee deep in the swamp.

. A drug induced conscious dream state (hallucination) is a corruption of perception of reality, which you call just another reality. So, I’m curious if you even recognize a general concept of corruption (or error in) of perception of reality? Because if you don’t then survival and all mechanisms associated with it would become functionally irrelevant. In fact, your own existence would become irrelevant as well.

. Well, all brainwashing has a good purpose, depending on who you ask.

By taking drugs you’re not engaging reality, you’re engaging only your reality (i.e. fantasy). All you did is redefine your reality as more (or just as) real, and then you proceeded down the road of escapism.

I think that you yourself really honestly believe that you can do all of that, especially while tripping, and maybe even more, but that’s the limit of it, and that’s the catch of the drug bait - full conviction, which makes it even more dangerous.

. I would not want to form neural pathways on drugs. That’s self maiming and is wrong on so many levels.

. Then move to a desert. The living there is usually cheaper, and it’s less crowded. People actually do that. (In real life!)

He’s not advocating psychedelics, although he himself used them (he considers himself a part of drug culture), but he’s pointing to the lack of research (a point conceded to Silhuette) and their dangers which most people in drug culture choose to downplay or circumvent.
Perhaps more time is needed to see the greater fallout of this experiment, but I think it will eventually confirm my belief. There is a big drug culture fad going on right now and everybody’s jumping on the bandwagon as if it were the next best thing, but reality does not work this naively. If it’s too good to be true, too easy, or presented as a shortcut, it’s likely just another trap, and considering how it works on the brain, a very powerful one.

. I don’t belive that drugs evolved us, although there is an argument for hallucination induced cave art based on sensory deprivation.
But hallucinogens are incompatible with survival in the wild. This would have been a quick error in natural selection trial.

. This is the trap of the drugs: answer is in the drugs and drugs are the answer. Reminds me of the ketamine addiction piece with James Kent: youtube.com/watch?v=87A7bDY2Dac

Well, if death is an illusion, then so is life. What else do you have left? Are you alive? Do you exist, Altimas?

Psychedelics are not your friends trying to guide you through evolution. That’s not what poisons do. You’d get more use out of eating an omelette.

thats already a disrespectful attitude towards that which has made you.

Mundane and basic is not irrelevant.

. In other words, drugs are the answer.

chemical brainwashing. I think the drug cartels are in full agreement with you here, except that one small recurrent detail…that all such roads inevitably lead back… to drugs. Coincidence?
The new alpha and the omega.