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“when you have to ask this question, you’re already putting yourself in a compromised position, a position of self-doubt, or doubt of your own basic senses. If anything can be real, then you have really nothing to go on, except perhaps your own biased expectations. If one reality is just as good as another why not pick the one that is more to your personal liking?”
Oh, that question wasn’t in the context of which you thought it was. I understand what reality is, I was testing to see if you do, I don’t doubt my basic senses I have been saying the same thing before I ever tried a psychedelic, just in less complex terminology and from a point where I lacked the language, understanding and imagery to fully express it to its full extent, go back to my posts in 2014 and you will see for yourself. Because it doesn’t work in that way, it’s a collective effort and understanding, if a single bee cannot build a hive on its own, does a hive truly not exist due to it not being in “reality”? Oh but there are tons of bees and tons of hives in our reality, chaotic ones, hornets more like. “Reality” is merely nature, the natural laws that govern this physical dimension, what we make out of this physical dimension to the extent of its universal laws is up to us. I alone can’t build space ships to fly to Mars because i alone do not have all of the skills necessary to do such, it is impossible for a one individual. It’s collective effort. I can’t believe that you are thinking in such a literal only type, or “objective”, when it is very blatant that reality is based off of perception. How do you describe blue to me?
I can’t simply pick a reality I want and magically appear in it, we have to evolve and work collectively to build it, know the hard part of that? Helping others understand your perception. Being physical is merely a step of evolution, explain to me since the brain creates consciousness, how does a tree feel pain?
“See what I’m saying? You’re already there, your distinctions are already blurring. Going one way is no different to you then going any another way. Why don’t we make reality a dream, or a computer simulation, or a divine test, or hell, etc.? You then have nothing to go on.”
I’m in reality, watching a show on TV unfortunately, instead of exploring space and building things that matter or that enhance us, trying to show you the depths of perception and how illusive “reality” really can be, which you seem to believe it to be a materialistic manifestation into consciousness instead of consciousness evolving into materialism.
It is a dream and we can’t make it what I or you want because other people lack understanding of what is, they don’t understand themself and the power of their mind, they don’t understand how environment works, they don’t understand how to think and they don’t understand reactions of variables to the full extent. If we were all aligned in perception and understanding what is and what can be, do you deny that we could accomplish anything within the boundaries of universal laws?
Do you deny evolution stems from collective diversity and diverse perception and an exchanging of ideas that lead to reactions through trial and error?
“And you need psychadelics to detach from your ego? Also note that the natural state of man is egotistical, and it is even so with so called altruistic intentions.”
I don’t need psychedelics to detach from my ego but it’s an easy way of showing that one /can/ detach from it and that the subconscious is ultimately dominant since it is eternal, it is reality, the vibration. The natural state of man is that of the subconscious, before a child is shaped to the extent of which doesn’t involve genetics. Genetics are the advantages or disadvantages one may face while being physical and conscious, environment shapes personality more so. Genetics are mere preservation of information, information contaminated by previous environment, see the loop? Environment shapes individual consciousness (ego), subconsciousness is both nothing and everything, chaos or order, it’s like a piece of clay, full of possibilities, a child is purely the subconscious until it becomes aware and indoctrinated by environment, it depends upon the environment of which shapes one and has shaped their ancestors before them that determines which side of the coin one becomes manifested as and these are where “archetypes” or generalized traits/aspects of multiple personalities come from… One may also see the loop and decide to break it and avoid contribution to it and choose which archetype they wish to manifest as by choosing it’s environment, we eventually will breed our primitive instincts that no longer serve us out of existence, if, collectively achieving more understanding of these concepts and an encouraged, hastier evolution.
“Yes, I’m a materialist. I believe the subconscious brain function evolved (changed) to allow to facilitate the management and filtering of information. The subconscious, if you have noticed, is really undiscriminating. It does not understand negatives, for example, nor does it have a sense of time. All info is pretty much equal to it. It can hold a lot of (useless) info, granted, but it does not have an intelligence of its own. It has to be directed. Brainwashing utilizes this weakness. Also, it cannot tell you anything externally new because it’s not an outside source. It may tell you already missed information, but it does not determine what is relevant.”
No information is useless information in the subconscious due to how correlation and imagery works, the brain correlates between unique ego/consciousness and subconsciousness. Subconsciousness does seem to have intelligence of its own though, what do you think nature is, environment, ideas come to us from the subconsciousness, dreams may provide insightful warnings? Do these things not exist to you? Intuition?
You have taken on an objective only style of thinking when the mind isn’t objective, only physical reality is, to the extent of universal laws. We are not just one or the other, we’re both, objective and subjective. The fact is, I can dream and manifest it, that’s reality, reality is micro to macro, so what’s that say about us? We’re a manifested dream, we’re mere possibilities of it, subconsciousness, nothing must be nothing so that everything has a possibility to be everything, do you understand that? It’s contrast, balance, that’s what existence is based off of, balance between chaos and order and it evolves itself just like we do because we are it evolving collectively.
“scrambling your brain is real too, it doesn’t mean it’s a good thing. You may see spirits in your trips and it doesn’t mean that they are real, it only means your brain is malfunctioning.”
Psychedelics don’t work the way you think they do. What you feel or what environment you are in is what manifests in the trip, your thoughts become your reality. If I start thinking of helicopters coming for me on lsd I will start seeing bright lights in the sky as if it were happening, reality is what you perceive it to be. You don’t just “see spirits”, you merely explore the subconsciousness in a conscious sense by manifesting the subconscious into reality temporarily, like creating a temporary coexistence of dream in conscious/reality to experience.
"Sensory deprivation is the classic torture method. It’s simple and does not leave any physical marks. It has been used by CIA for many years. "
Not a torture method, it’s a method of brainwashing by killing ones already temporary ego/consciousness so it may be reshaped. By forcing them into an environment of nothingness consistently until they become nothing, to be shaped as the CIA pleases. It’s a method of control and brainwash, not necessarily “torture” because it could also be used for a good purpose.
“am saying that dmt is released in sensory deprived environment, an environment which also causes one to lose their sense of identity and hallucinate.
With societal problems, you seem to be implying that taking psychedelic drugs is superior to societal indoctrination, but you do not have any control over yourself while intoxicated (poisoned, really) by hallucinogens because this method directly impairs your brain. Can you become sober at will while tripping; can you just turn it off? You can’t.
If you want to see the stars, get outside the city lights. Nobody’s chemically or physically incapacitating you.”
Yes, you can become sober at will on a psychedelic, by taking a benzo and calming the trip down. Taking psychedelic with understanding of what they are and with intentions to understand or see the evidence of what I say if wanting to actually understand, yes, I do believe it to be better than societal indoctrination, considering the model I see in my head is much more liberating and just than what is currently available. I have complete control over myself while tripping on lsd or mushrooms, I can even play smash bros ultimate on wii switch while watching Mario wink at me and jump off the screen. It isn’t poison, it’s a molecule similar to serotonin, like serotonin in hulk form… Yet you think that this has nothing to do with heightening perception realistically by forming new neural pathways by binding to receptors… Mkay.
I want to see the stars… But society makes it harder than necessary to do so by this thing called, money and enslavement through social status. So much for “reality”.
James Kent, I looked him up and he doesn’t seem like a strong source of evidence to prove psychedelics induce mental disorders without genetics being directly involved compared to the studies already done regarding the issue which show otherwise. It almost seemed as if he were advocating psychedelics of perhaps doesnt understand what is and what could be.